Remember when David Jaffe made good games?

It was Twisted Metal Black, because it sure as **** wasn't God of War 1. That game sucks, kind of like Drawn to Death apparently.

Anyone play it? I know we got it for PS+ this month, is it really that bad? The **** happened to this dude?

• Virtually all attempts at comedy fail
• Clumsy physics and movement
• Too many imbalanced and ineffective weapons
• Obnoxious announcer

Yeah I love God of War, God of War 2, Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta.

God of War III is alright, and God of War Ascension is forgettable.

Never played Twisted Metal.

Remember when gamers said that devs don't take risks?

They don't take enough, and a handful of them is hardly something to hang your hat on?

I played way the **** too much Twisted Metal Black, loved that game.

But yeah, gonna pass on DtD. I watched some gameplay with dev commentary the other day. Amazing how something can look so unique and boring at the same time.

I'd at least give it a try, but too many good games to play as is.

He didn't make any of those.

Mmm God of War & Twisted Metal...those were the days...lol

Yeah I know, groups of people made those games.

I wasn't there but I doubt Twited Metal and God of War was just David Jaffe sitting behind a computer all by himself.

I don't know what you expect me to say here: I love a series that he helped start/create ? I thought that was prety clear from what I wrote :)

All I know about David Jaffe is that he swears a lot.

God of War 1 was extremely flawed looking back.

I don't even like Twisted Metal so the guy's name means nothing to me.

I agree but I think it's a mixture of Jaffes decline and every time Sony attempts to make an online multiplayer game it doesn't turn out too good almost all of the time. Online multiplayer games just aren't Sony's strong suit as they come and go and get forgotten.

My favorite thing about Jaffe is how he openly admits that GoW's combat doesn't stack up to proper beat 'em ups.

Sure, but like any medium have a creative lead is still just as important for direction and all that jazz, it's not a shocker that the Uncharted games that people really gas up as the 2nd coming of christ happen to have Bruce Straley as game director, and Neil Druckman on the dev team (as lead designer and then creative director for 4), and the one where both of them aren't on it, is the one that got a bit less hyped. Dark Souls 1 to 2 would be another example or Devil May Cry to Devil May Cry 2.

As someone who thinks God of War is mechanically mediocre, even I would concede the 2nd game is genuinely good, and it happens to be the one the dude didn't work on. In fact while the story has only gotten progressively more stupid after his absence the actual gameplay has had some noteworthy improvements be it refinement, better variation, or in the case of the 3rd game, the first alternative weapon in that series that doesn't suck ass to use: the cestus.

Hence why I led with with Jaffe, more than the arena shooter that did poorly. So I'm not at fault here, I'm saying you name dropped games homeboy didn't even work on in a thread where I'm picking on the guy.

Dude openly explained which game he ripped off and how it wasn't anywhere near the same game technically, homeboy knew the only reason he was winning that GOTY at the AIAS was because Capcom wasn't part of the academy. He knows damn well Resident Evil 4 was cleaning house that year. lol

Ewww, I finished that game once. And I still felt that was one too many. The dull ass combat is one thing, the poverty Zelda routine is another. I never understood how that was used as a point in the franchises favor. Here are a series of puzzles that are more linear than the Zelda ones, aren't particularly interesting, creative, or hard, basically solve themselves, and here is super simple platforming, and it's somehow a more "complete" gaming experience than action games where the action is actually a strong aspect of the games.

Really? I'll be the first to accept that I've gone back thinking a game is still a stone cold classic, only to go....oh with Metal Gear Solid, Donkey Kong Country, Grim Fandango (although this is still very good), etc, so my opinion could change, but I remember Twisted Metal Black being super good.

Controlled smoothly, tons of unlockables and fun characters, fun ass maps, and an absolute blast for couch multiplayer. I know the game didn't translate well on the PS3, but I always assumed that was because they tried to make a campaign/the netcode had issues.

I don't buy that, Killzone 2 was a good game. I had a blast with Warhawk. Didn't play Starhawk, but you basically piloted Starscream, and I will throw out all pretentions of having standards for that mechanic alone. I don't think Online mp is something a sony studio can't do, even Naughty Dog makes an entertaining one here and there, admittedly I wouldn't put it up among the best of the bests your Counterstrikes or whatever, but they weren't atrocious either.

This seems like a mess.

Twisted Metal was so dang good back when it came out

Every car had an ultimate ability, the maps were friggin epic and large

God Of War 1 it had a battle scene where you have to save your family from like 100 undead guys that was so hard and fighting a giant ares what a game man

david fing jaffe what a man

Never heard of him, but only some of the games mentioned.

@Seabas989: I've played through at least 8 times on two different consoles, it's not a flawed game, far from it.

@jg4xchamp: It's been a long time since David Jaffe has made anything good.

Twisted Metal Black was awesome......

No, I don't. It's been a while. lol

That's nice but it is pretty flawed. The worst thing about GOW1 is the awful and awkward platforming parts which were removed in the far superior sequel.

David Jaffe as a person is likeable, there is a certain unbridled honesty to him lacking any sense of pretension. Sadly, much like the Cliff Bleszinski his personality rather than his talent is carrying him, in both cases it's eroding quickly in an undignified manner.

Phil Fish at least understood he was untalented and cancelled Fez 2 (a game that was never getting made) because he intrinsically knew the final product would be mediocre, cushioning it with fabricated drama. A very good move.

Cliffy B's new game actually seems pretty good, the beta for it was rock solid. Good strong mechanics that rewarded individual player ability over "I've played this a bunch so I unlocked a perk, a gun, and this health modifier that you don't have since you just started", plays smoothly n quickly to boot.

Plus for all of Gears of War's sins, it was genuinely well made, and had a solid mp to go along with it. He's hardly had this string of misfires worthy of acting like the dude is done.

Jaffe's run has been
-A smaller scaled downloadable game where the game just wasn't fun to play, in a space where you have one man passion projects that play tight n snug in a manner you wouldn't expect
-A Twisted Metal game that at least in terms of gaming community mindshare was a non-factor (wasn't fond of the sp, was turned off by some netcode issues, so can't speak to how good the mp was)
-and this

Seems like a lifetime ago.

Nah I disagree.

Hated Twisted Metal, loved God of War.

I agree that he hasn't made compelling games in more than a decade now

David Jaffe was never good.

There, I said it.

He helped make maybe 2 or 3 pretty good games but that's it, everything else was somewhere between above average and well below average.

Everything about this game looks terrible. I like the concept of a game thats like a come to life drawing but this game just looks awful top to bottom. The only thing I smirked at was the JRPG, that was the one kinda almost funny joke.

So, he helped make 2 or 3 games and he was never good all at the same time. Hmmm interesting.

I suppose you're right, I'm letting my dislike of him over-right his achievements, very narrow sighted on my part.

He is a prick though.

I was a kid when he did and knew nothing about his ass

So now that you are adult you know a lot about his ass?

I'd go into great detail but this is SW and i'm not allowed. Sorry, Pedro.

Then I am glad that the SW has policies to protect me. :)

I liked the God of War games when he was involved, not so much after he left Sony to start his own studio.

I liked the God of War games better when he was involved, I don't like them nearly as much anymore, no since he left and created his own studio. Game development is hell for everybody though, spending months under the gun, meeting deadlines, forced to work almost the entire day without enough sleep. I can see why people might get burnt out and make the decision to quit.

I have always found his work to be overhyped, but that's just me. Twisted Metal may be his coolest creation, however.

This game honestly looks like a student project and I'm not talking about the visuals. Bland level design and animations.

I think God of War games are fun. Not wow but just fun. Didn't play Ascension yet tho.

I think he's a bit overrated myself. God of War was really good and Twisted Metal Black was alright. He also seems like quite the ass.

Drawn to Death? Like that title doesn't sound like the angsty brother of 5th Cell's Drawn to Life.

Twisted Metal Black was one of those perfect storm types of games. TM2 was great, but Black was epic.

God of War is a good series.

stfu

Champ the scamp. :)

I've never played ones of his games. I have God of War 1 and 2 on PS3 but I have yet to play it.

I love the look of it: bored teen notebook of monsters, metal and big titted women come to life.

Gameplay isn't good though. Very generic design, and I find the controls stiff and unsatisfying. And the humour was cringe.

Glad I got if free to try, would not pay a penny for it.

#thatsthejoke

And God Of War was, is and always will be a great game ;)

I really like God of War. Never cared for Twisted Metal. Zero interest in Drawn to Death.

Wouldn't call him a one-hit wonder or anything or question, "what's happened to him?" Maybe he was never an amazing director to begin with?

You have never Played Socom, WarHawk, Killzone 2 and StarHawk. These are all amazing multiplayer games.

One man's poorly received game, and now some people on this forum claim that he can no longer make good games?

I can't say I've enjoyed any of his work. At least this one looks cool.