Resistance 2: Rise of Man -- Deepest Console FPS Ever?

Cows call the 360 the shooter console, but whenever a shooter comes out (Resistance, Killzone 2, Resistance 2) they start screaming AAA most revolutionary FPS ever GOTY.sexy_chimp

... Shooters can only be good on the 360? Just because Cows think the 360 has an abundance of shooters doesn't mean they can't hype up their own shooters. And this stuff most likely isn't even real, and we've seen no gameplay or screenshots. This isn't actual hype...

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]Cows call the 360 the shooter console, but whenever a shooter comes out (Resistance, Killzone 2, Resistance 2) they start screaming AAA most revolutionary FPS ever GOTY.Not-A-Stalker

... Shooters can only be good on the 360? Just because Cows think the 360 has an abundance of shooters doesn't mean they can't hype up their own shooters. And this stuff most likely isn't even real, and we've seen no gameplay or screenshots. This isn't actual hype...

No, but cows insult the 360 for the majority of it's good games being shooters, and that's basically how the PS3 is turning out.

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[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]Cows call the 360 the shooter console, but whenever a shooter comes out (Resistance, Killzone 2, Resistance 2) they start screaming AAA most revolutionary FPS ever GOTY.sexy_chimp

... Shooters can only be good on the 360? Just because Cows think the 360 has an abundance of shooters doesn't mean they can't hype up their own shooters. And this stuff most likely isn't even real, and we've seen no gameplay or screenshots. This isn't actual hype...

No, but cows insult the 360 for the majority of it's good games being shooters, and that's basically how the PS3 is turning out.

The 360 does have a versatile library, but of course Cows will deny that and say it doesn't. Thats what fanboys do. And I disagree about the PS3. I'm seeing just as many platformers, puzzles, action, adventure, RPG, etc. games as shooters. But shooter is the most popular genre it seems, I wouldn't be surprised if both consoles end this gen overflowing with shooters...

Any one else find it weird that its the 1950s yet they are using the M4? Hell, its not even the M16 but rather the M4! WTF?

wow,game of the year in whenever year it comes outi-lick-monkeys

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Features not seen in Halo 3:
Bots/ Frag of the Day/ Online Tournaments/ Training/ Clans/ Grudge Matches/ K&M/ Money-Economy/ Clases/

Also if you read the explanation for the gameplay modes yuo will see that most of them aren't the same concept.

The only feature missing in Resistance 2 (according to these docs) is The Forge mode.

Grive

Bots, clans, and clases aren't in halo, correct. I did mention clases was nothing new, though. Frag of the day is pretty much akin to bungie's favorites, online tournaments can be implemented in halo 3 through server-side playlists. Grudge matches, K&M and money I did mention in my post. Training is present in halo. I probably didn't put my argument through correctly. I first mentioned all that wasn't in Halo (though I did miss bots), and then pretty much wanted to say that everything else was standard in Halo. A small mistake on my part.

I amended my post with an edit because I had misread the table. Yes, the modes do seem different, but they're not many. I see only 6 of them, of which 2 are core modes, 2 are planned features, one is a "hopefully might be able to implement" and one is under "heavy prototyping", though this last one sounds like it's the most ambitious -and I did make note of that.

I see absolutely nothing special to call Resistance the deepest game out there. It's certainly ahead of the curve, but it's hardly unique.

And with a planned SP lenght of 5.5 hours.

It doesnt have to be absolutely innovative. Hell, Halo 3 didnt have to be innovative. If you count all known features for the shooter category and put them into ONE game, that game will be incredibly DEEP content rich. That is what Resistance 2 aims to be.

I didn't know a training feature was present in Halo 3 :?. If there is please tell me where it is so I can try it out for myself.

But in the end, if Resistance 2 boasts all of these features it will have more features than ANY FPS on consoles. And thats is huge my friend. The only thing I can think of that is not here is a real map creator. Now that would be amazing :).

What so deep about this? Lots of other fps have these things.. dipper145

Yes but what FPS do you know has ALL of these features??? Ahhh...

[QUOTE="dipper145"]What so deep about this? Lots of other fps have these things.. TREAL_Since

Yes but what FPS do you know has ALL of these features??? Ahhh...

Well Halo 3 is not a class based FPS, and from the looks of things everything that doesn't involve classes is covered in H3.

well if every priority for every game was completed all games would be the "deepest FPS ever" :roll:

how can man fall twice?

hobbit93

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[QUOTE="dipper145"]What so deep about this? Lots of other fps have these things.. Bansheesdie

Yes but what FPS do you know has ALL of these features??? Ahhh...

Well Halo 3 is not a class based FPS, and from the looks of things everything that doesn't involve classes is covered in H3.

Bots/ Online Tournaments/ Money System/ Grudge Matches/ Clan Support/ K&M Support. I didn't know Halo 3 had theses...

sorry its not true, they confirmed that itsNOT being called the rise of man

Actually, to be quite honest, none of that is particularly impressive. It looks like a laundry list of features that I would consider *mandatory* for Resistance 2 to even compete with the dozens of other FPS titles hitting the PS3 in 2008. If features such as bots, kb&m support, and LIVE scoreboard are so low on the totem poll, it's going to find itself (and it's cheesey sci-fi / war story) obliterated.

Ultimately, this looks like Battlefield 2 features got tossed into the mix, but I can't help looking at this with the "Battlefield 2142 has done this already" eye.

Granted, it's extremely early to say *anything* about Resistance 2, but assuming these are legitimate design documents that were leaked (as opposed to utter BS, a more likely case) I'd say I hope Insomniac is keeping a tight eye on the saturated FPS market - a slightly improved Resistance next year won't cut it.

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On a side note, anyone familiar with Excel and Visio can create documents like this rather rapidly, it wouldn't take more than an hour or two to make a fake design document for any game - I'd take this with a pile of salt.

Bots/ Online Tournaments/ Money System/ Grudge Matches/ Clan Support/ K&M Support. I didn't know Halo 3 had theses...TREAL_Since

Bots? Scrapped before Halo 2, Bungie did want to waste the time with programming AI, especially in H3 with the inclusion of Equipment.

Online Tourney's? Not sure if Humpdays count or not, but tourneys are easy enough to organize. Wanna join one?

Money System? Same thing as cla-sses, it doesn't fit Halo one bit.

Grudge Matches? Its called a Invite to Party. If you have a grudge invite a person/people and woop they ass!

Clan? Something came up before H3s release...Bungie could not include Clans for the reason that it was not officially included into Live or something or other. Its the same rules that went with Combat Evolved and online. There was no such thing as Live when Combat Evolved was released. There is no real Clan support on Live, yet.

K&M Support? I, personally, would rather play with my feet then use a keyboard and mouse to play an FPS. Halo is a console FPS, so is Resistance, use the goddamn gamepad.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Bots/ Online Tournaments/ Money System/ Grudge Matches/ Clan Support/ K&M Support. I didn't know Halo 3 had theses...Bansheesdie

Bots? Scrapped before Halo 2, Bungie did want to waste the time with programming AI, especially in H3 with the inclusion of Equipment.

Money System? Same thing as classes, it doesn't fit Halo one bit.

Grudge Matches? Its called a Invite to Party. If you have a grudge invite a person/people and woop they ass!

Clan? Something came up before H3s release...Bungie could not include Clans for the reason that it was not officially included into Live or someting or rother. Its the same rules that went with Combat Evolved and online. There was no such thing as Live when Combat Evolved was released. There is no real Clan support on Live, yet.

K&M Support? I, personally, would rather play with my feet then use a keyboard and mouse to play an FPS. Halo is a console FPS, so is Resistance, use the goddamn gamepad.
Online Tourney's? Not sure if Humpdays count or not, but they are easy enough to organize. Wanna join one?

In the end, if this info turns out to be true Resistance 2 will be more feature packed than Halo 3. Even if you don't care about some of the features it will have the same amount of features as Halo 3 (outside of The Forge), plus many more.

Don't blame the bots on Equipment LOLOLOL. Bungie said that because MS wants to push XBOX Live. Equipment is nowhere near as much of a challenge as adding bots to fit different game modes. Of course they are skilled enough to do it, but were restricted obviously.

Also Online Tournaments aren't organizedby Microsoft or Bungie in Halo 3 are they? If I'm not mistaken they are from are organized by another source. Insomniac wishes to include this into the game making it more seamless.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Bots/ Online Tournaments/ Money System/ Grudge Matches/ Clan Support/ K&M Support. I didn't know Halo 3 had theses...Bansheesdie

Bots? Scrapped before Halo 2, Bungie did want to waste the time with programming AI, especially in H3 with the inclusion of Equipment.

Online Tourney's? Not sure if Humpdays count or not, but tourneys are easy enough to organize. Wanna join one?

Money System? Same thing as cla-sses, it doesn't fit Halo one bit.

Grudge Matches? Its called a Invite to Party. If you have a grudge invite a person/people and woop they ass!

Clan? Something came up before H3s release...Bungie could not include Clans for the reason that it was not officially included into Live or something or other. Its the same rules that went with Combat Evolved and online. There was no such thing as Live when Combat Evolved was released. There is no real Clan support on Live, yet.

K&M Support? I, personally, would rather play with my feet then use a keyboard and mouse to play an FPS. Halo is a console FPS, so is Resistance, use the goddamn gamepad.

Don't blame the bots on Equipment LOLOLOL. TREAL_Since

I am the one who said that? Strange, I could have sworn I heard that at least a half dozen times by Bungie themselves in their podcasts that Equipment was one of the main reasons why bots were not included in H3. That and Saved Films took over a year to perfect.

Bots are a weak addition to any game, all they do is prep the player to get their asses handed to them when they play real players.

Resistance 2: The split second between the fall and the hitting of the ground of Man

Resistance 3: The embarassment of having fallen of Man

Resistance 4: The lawsuit of man

Man, just accept that Resistance 2 might have online features that Halo 3 doesn't. :roll:NAPK1NS

In all truthfulness, and stop me when I go too far, none of this confirmed is it? Is it?

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Don't blame the bots on Equipment LOLOLOL. Bansheesdie

I am the one who said that? Strange, I could have sworn I heard that at least a half dozen times by Bungie themselves in their podcasts that Equipment was one of the main reasons why bots were not included in H3. That and Saved Films took over a year to perfect.

Bots are a weak addition to any game, all they do is prep the player to get their asses handed to them when they play real players.

I don't care what anyone says. It's a BS excuse on Bungies behalf. I wasn't directing that LOL towards you specifically, just the fact that Equipment is the reason bots weren't included. Bots are good for people to train. It's a great addition to have bots and is in no way weak.

- Newcomers can have bots to train and get used to a map
- Many people do not play/ have online so they play offline with bots
- Programmers spend alot of time coding the AI for bots (theres the effort by the deves and the option by the players)
- Games can mix bots online with real players (Bots on Hard difficulty VS Humans is really fun!)

You make it seem like it's a bad thing to even have the option of playing with bots. I know you love Halo 3 (as do I) and you are trying to defend it, but in this case Resistance 2 will have the upper hand as far as features go (if this info is true).

Resistance 2: The split second between the fall and the hitting of the ground of Man

Resistance 3: The embarassment of having fallen of Man

Resistance 4: The lawsuit of man

Newnab

LOL good one

R:FOM is a good shooter but its nothing more than that it just stands out as good game amongst not so many

and now number 2 is comming out! OMG FORGET TEH KILLZONE 2!!!111 RESISTANCE 2 TOTALLY OWNS lol

- Many people do not play/ have online so they play offline with bots
- Programmers spend alot of time coding the AI for bots (theres the effort by the deves and the option by the playersTREAL_Since

The only reason I'm acting this way towards Resistance 2, the ONLY reason, is because none of this is confirmed. The info is coming from a blog for goodness sakes!

And concerning the two bullets above -- Is not having online a problem for PS3 owners seeing as PSN is free? And you said "Programmers spend alot of time coding the AI for bots" that is the exact reason why they were not included into H3. That and Bungie didn't want them.
The challange of, wether you believe it or not, including bots into H3 is mostly based on Equipment. Are the bots smart enough to know that in a game of Oddball if the real player drops the Ball at their feet inside a Bubble Shield with a Regenerator under it that while the player is using a shotgun that they (the bots) cannot just run in and only try to pick up the Ball unless they have some sort of good weapon? Or try to stick the player then grab the Ball after said player dies.

That is not easy to program and Bungie new that. Bungie said screw that, lets spend the time including Forge and Saved Films and paying more attention to detail.

WHAT?! Resistance 2 is the deepest console shooter ever? I thought that title was reserved for Killzone 2... I mean look at its lighting and physics!

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]- Many people do not play/ have online so they play offline with bots
- Programmers spend alot of time coding the AI for bots (theres the effort by the deves and the option by the playersBansheesdie

The only reason I'm acting this way towards Resistance 2, the ONLY reason, is because none of this is confirmed. The info is coming from a blog for goodness sakes!

And concerning the two bullets above -- Is not having only a problem for PS3 owners seeing as PSN is free? And you said "Programmers spend alot of time coding the AI for bots" that is the exact reason why they were not included into H3. That and Bungie didn't want them.
The challange of, wether you believe it or not, including bots into H3 is mostly based on Equipment. Are the bots smart enough to know that in a game of Oddball if the real player drops the Ball at their feet inside a Bubble Shield with a Regenerator under it that while the player is using a shotgun that they (the bots) cannot just run in and only try to pick up the Ball unless they have some sort of good weapon? Or try to stick the player then grab the Ball aftersaid playerdies.

That is not easy to program and Bungie new that. Bungie said screw that, lets spend the time including Forge and Saved Films and paying more attention to detail.

Yes, I totally agree.

They are most likely just tossing ideas around... I really doubt that all of that would be in the final game. Impex

The game is already in Alpha testing.... oops I shouldn't have said that.

Resistance 2 is a lock to sell millions and millions of copies. Anyone that disagrees havent seen how popular it is on PSN. Dare i say it.. Resistance might be the Halo of PS3!!!! Gamersince81

It doesnt have to be absolutely innovative. Hell, Halo 3 didnt have to be innovative. If you count all known features for the shooter category and put them into ONE game, that game will be incredibly DEEP content rich. That is what Resistance 2 aims to be.

I didn't know a training feature was present in Halo 3 :?. If there is please tell me where it is so I can try it out for myself.

But in the end, if Resistance 2 boasts all of these features it will have more features than ANY FPS on consoles. And thats is huge my friend. The only thing I can think of that is not here is a real map creator. Now that would be amazing :).

TREAL_Since

Erm, you can't play ranked online modes without goint through a basic training playlist, which will introduce you to gamemodes and insure you're playing against people without any XBL experience. I'd say that's pretty much the only training you should need in a game with both SP and MP.

The thing with resistance is: You're not having any specially large amount of options. You don't get anything special, or anything that goes deeper than the top FPS currently out -not to mention those in development- except for a gamemode that's under heavy prototyping, with most of it's features as "hopeful" bulletpoints. So far, I'm seeing the ability for class based gameplay on deathmatch, team deathmatch, king of the hill, maybe Last man standing and/or keep away (which sound like a variant of defense). Probably a souped-up version of "territories" which will include a commander figure and asymmetrical developments.

It's a good set of options -I'm not denying this- and will make for one heck of a sweet game if all this manages to get crammed into development (I wouldn't hold my breath for this to happen, though). But calling this the "deepest" FPS experience is stretching it. Even then, depth is hardly comparable to "amount of options".

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It doesnt have to be absolutely innovative. Hell, Halo 3 didnt have to be innovative. If you count all known features for the shooter category and put them into ONE game, that game will be incredibly DEEP content rich. That is what Resistance 2 aims to be.

I didn't know a training feature was present in Halo 3 :?. If there is please tell me where it is so I can try it out for myself.

But in the end, if Resistance 2 boasts all of these features it will have more features than ANY FPS on consoles. And thats is huge my friend. The only thing I can think of that is not here is a real map creator. Now that would be amazing :).

Grive

Erm, you can't play ranked online modes without goint through a basic training playlist, which will introduce you to gamemodes and insure you're playing against people without any XBL experience. I'd say that's pretty much the only training you should need in a game with both SP and MP.

I never had to do any training before playing an onine ranked match :?

Official Hype will be AA, despite all the cows saying GOTY and AAAA on the forums.

Lots of talk about how Blu-Ray will make this game massive... and it'll limp in at a whole 8 hours long.

And it'll flop.

well if every priority for every game was completed all games would be the "deepest FPS ever" :roll:

how can man fall twice?

hobbit93

Thats why its RISE of man. Read much?

Official Hype will be AA, despite all the cows saying GOTY and AAAA on the forums.

Lots of talk about how Blu-Ray will make this game massive... and it'll limp in at a whole 8 hours long.

And it'll flop.

TTDog

8 hours? No

8 player co-op? Yep

:)

After reading all of those... Nah. Doesn't seem that "deep" if you compare to other titles like Halo 3 :|bobby_king

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