Responses to Super Mario Galaxy GOTY Damage Control

I've been seeing WAAAY too much damage control around the crowning of Super Mario Galaxy's GoTY award. I'd like to squish these statements like the bugs that they are. And I want to clarify something: I am NOT a fanboy. I own a Wii, a 360, and a gaming computer, not to mention I plan to get a PS3 in a year or two.

1) Damage Control:It didn't deserve it.
Response: Wow. Just wow. You would not beleive how many times just this one sentence pops up as damage control, with nothing to support it. Gears of War won GoTY last year, am I not right? What if I, a single person, went up to Gamespot and said "OH, Gears of War stunk, it surely didn't deserve GoTY." Would that change their mind? NO! Obviously, if a game didn't deserve it, it wouldn't win it on a site that fanboys(I'm looking at you Lemmings)claim to be "unbaised." And that leads me to my next point.
Verdict: If it didn't deserve it, why would it win?

2) Damage Control: 8.8= Gamespot Stinks. 8.5= Gamespot is the worst reveiwing site ever. GOTY= Hail Gamespot!
Response: Sure, I'll give you this, there is truth in this statement. But hey, not every sheep thought this. Lets look at a more familar gameing event, shall we? Mass Effect. Had enough hype to go to the moon and back. When Gamespot gave it a 8.5, some of the lemmings screamed "NOOOO! Thats soooo wrong!" while others said "Whatever." This is what happened with Twilight Princess and Corruption. Some (a majority, I'll give you that again) screamed "Teh bais!" while others kept their cool.
Verdict: Its not exclusive to sheep to do this, Cows and Lemmings do it all the time.

3) Damage Control: But I didn't like it.
Response: The second lamest damage control besides "It didn't deserve it." I'll keep this one short. Not everyone has to like the GoTY. I could probably name 100 people that didn't like WoW, but it won GOTY, didn't it? I don't like GTA, but does that mean its not a good game? Of course not, its a great game, but its not my kind of game.
Verdict: If we all liked the same thing, the world would be pretty boring, right? I like guitar, my friend likes drums. Does that mean neither is good? Of course not.

4)Damage Control:But its only jumping!
Response: Using this godly logic, I could say that Gears of War, Call of Duty 4, Crysis, and Halo 3 are just shooting. Short sweet and to the point, there is more to it than Jumping, as much to it that all those shooters have more than shooting it them.
Verdict: I made myself very clear.

5) Damage Control: Teh Kidiness!
Response: Wow, someone needs to grow up and learn a bit of logic. BY calling a game "kiddy" you basically just admitted that your uber manly shooters got killed by a kiddy game. Besides, no games are kiddy. Adults still play Pokemon. If any game that appeals to kids can be called kiddy, I guess GTA is kiddy,because I know more kids than adults that play that game.
Verdict: Don't say this, you admit that your games are worse than a kiddy game, in theory of course.

6) Damage Control:My eyes are bleeding!
Response: Lets get this straight. Super Mario Galaxy has good graphics, you have to be blind not to see that. Surely not as good tecnhcally as Crysis, but the art in my, and most other gamers, opinions, is miles ahead of anything else. Besides, is the Mona Lisa famous for her Polygon count?
Verdict: It has good graphics, grow up.

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and post this and reserve a post for more arguements. Discuss, no flamming, and give me some good ideas:)

Edit: Adding more arguements:)

7) Damage Control: No Multiplayer!
Response: Actually there is multiplayer, but its very bad. However, since when did a game need multiplayer to be good? The main reason for multiplayer is to increase the life of a game. Even if you don't like it, thats the truth. Sure, its fun, but thats the reason they do multiplayer. Anyway, Super Mario Galaxy does not need to get any longer. I have already spent at least 20 hours on the game, and I only have like 73 Stars, most of which are the easier ones to get. I'm working on getting all 120, which will get me up to god knows how long. Then, I plan to d o it all again in an extra playthrough(look in the unlockables section to see what I mean, I'm too lazy to put in a spoiler tag).
Verdict: It doesn't need multiplayer.

8)Damage Control: It uses the Wii Mote horribly/it could've been done on a Gamecube controller.
Response: First off, if you hate the Wii Mote and the Game cube controller, why should you care, and how would you know? Anyway, who buys a Mario Game for the Wii mote? I for one, think it uses the Wii Mote great and it improves the gameplay. Yeah, it could've been done on a controller, but who cares? Its great on the Wii Mote.
Verdict: Hehe, no it doesn't. And why do you care.

9) Damage Control: A Plumber. In Space. Wow. That makes no sense what-so-ever.
Response: Tell me, how does one genetically modified super human take down a whole civialization of equaly and more powerful aliens? MC and the guy from Crysis sure do it. That makes no sense to me. A game doesn't need to make sense to be fun.
Verdict: Last sentence.

10) Damage Control: Bad Story
Response: While a story does vastly improve a game, I admit this game doesn't have much of one. But I found the bit about the Lumas kind of neat.
Verdict: Yeah, your right, but the game doesn't need a story to be fun.

11) Damage Control: Lumas are awesome!
Response: Yes they are, yes they are.
Verdict: Joke Damage Control, I needed to have some fun.

12) Damage Control: Gamespot lost its credibility when *insert some bad event or injustice they did here*
Response: Maybe they did. I don't know. If they lost their credibilty, then why still come here? Why not just lead a massive immigration of all the users to a different game site like IGN? Wanna know why not? Cause even if they are harsh, there is usally alot of truth in their reveiws, except for maybe Radiant Dawn's reveiw... Oh well, I disgress.
Verdict: Why are you still here if the credibilty is bad, and why didn't you say so when the event happened, not when they award your most hated game GoTY?

13) Damage Control: Crysis is winning player votes so its GOTY. Hahahaha, eat that stoopid sheep.
Response: Yeah it is, big deal. Answear me this. OUt of how many of the people voted, what percent played every game on that list. And out of all those people, what percent beat the every game and not said " this is on the *insert system here* so I'm not supposed to like it"? The reveiwers played and beat all these games, so their opinions are very valid. Besides the polls could be hacked anyway, we may never know(I'm not saying they are:))
Verdict: Point made?

Discuss. No flamming or posting without reading at least some of the thread.

2) Damage Control: 8.8= Gamespot Stinks. 8.5= Gamespot is the worst reveiwing site ever. GOTY= Hail Gamespot!
Response: Sure, I'll give you this, there is truth in this statement. But hey, not every sheep thought this. Lets look at a more familar gameing event, shall we? Mass Effect. Had enough hype to go to the moon and back. When Gamespot gave it a 8.5, some of the lemmings screamed "NOOOO! Thats soooo wrong!" while others said "Whatever." This is what happened with Twilight Princess and Corruption. Some (a majority, I'll give you that again) screamed "Teh bais!" while others kept their cool.
Verdict: Its not exclusive to sheep to do this, Cows and Lemmings do it all the time.

Grodus5

While that may be true, we are the least hypocritical group, and the group with the most against Gamespot. We shouldn't be acting this way at all.

It makes sense.

But what do we believe in?

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]

2) Damage Control: 8.8= Gamespot Stinks. 8.5= Gamespot is the worst reveiwing site ever. GOTY= Hail Gamespot!
Response: Sure, I'll give you this, there is truth in this statement. But hey, not every sheep thought this. Lets look at a more familar gameing event, shall we? Mass Effect. Had enough hype to go to the moon and back. When Gamespot gave it a 8.5, some of the lemmings screamed "NOOOO! Thats soooo wrong!" while others said "Whatever." This is what happened with Twilight Princess and Corruption. Some (a majority, I'll give you that again) screamed "Teh bais!" while others kept their cool.
Verdict: Its not exclusive to sheep to do this, Cows and Lemmings do it all the time.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

While that may be true, we are the least hypocritical group, and the group with the most against Gamespot. We shouldn't be acting this way at all.

I'm not.

I'm too shaded by Gamespot's past.

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Eragon_11

No, lemmings went crazy, "GS is teh biased" "MassEffect is still AAA"

Dont try to sugar coat it.

Wait, so this is damage control damage control?thriteenthmonke

Yes. So?

[QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Marth6781

No, lemmings went crazy, "GS is teh biased" "MassEffect is still AAA"

Dont try to sugar coat it.

They didn't threaten to kill the reviewer.

Am I in damage control if I liked it, but did not think it deserved it? I beat it with about 90 stars and haven't even turned it on since to get the rest. I don't know, but I'm more of a story man than anything else. I love going through games like myst that have little to no game play except the story to drive me. And when I see a game that has such a lack of decent story win game of the year I do not agree with it. So you can tell right away mario would not be at the top of my list.

I personally couldn't give a rats ass about gamespot's reviews and Game of the year choices. I come here for the community. Though I do understand when people legitimately don't agree with the Mario game of the year choice. So it's not ALWAYS Damage control.TheJustin

If you like it....then it must deserve something.

Most games deserve game of the year, not just one game.

[QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Marth6781

No, lemmings went crazy, "GS is teh biased" "MassEffect is still AAA"

Dont try to sugar coat it.

what would they reference as the source? Why would gamespot be biased against 360 when histroically, they've generously given 360 AAA's?

nice try :|

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Eragon_11

No, lemmings went crazy, "GS is teh biased" "MassEffect is still AAA"

Dont try to sugar coat it.

what would they reference as the source? Why would gamespot be biased against 360 when histroically, they've generously given 360 AAA's?

nice try :|

Yeah.

Everybdoy here can find some proof to support the claim that Gamespot is biased against them, but some have more proof than others.

[QUOTE="TheJustin"]Am I in damage control if I liked it, but did not think it deserved it? I beat it with about 90 stars and haven't even turned it on since to get the rest. I don't know, but I'm more of a story man than anything else. I love going through games like myst that have little to no game play except the story to drive me. And when I see a game that has such a lack of decent story win game of the year I do not agree with it. So you can tell right away mario would not be at the top of my list.

I personally couldn't give a rats ass about gamespot's reviews and Game of the year choices. I come here for the community. Though I do understand when people legitimately don't agree with the Mario game of the year choice. So it's not ALWAYS Damage control.Willy105

If you like it....then it must deserve something.

Most games deserve game of the year, not just one game.

[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"]Wait, so this is damage control damage control?Willy105

Yes. So?

I find that amusing

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

Am I in damage control if I liked it, but did not think it deserved it? I beat it with about 90 stars and haven't even turned it on since to get the rest. I don't know, but I'm more of a story man than anything else. I love going through games like myst that have little to no game play except the story to drive me. And when I see a game that has such a lack of decent story win game of the year I do not agree with it. So you can tell right away mario would not be at the top of my list.

I personally couldn't give a rats ass about gamespot's reviews and Game of the year choices. I come here for the community. Though I do understand when people legitimately don't agree with the Mario game of the year choice. So it's not ALWAYS Damage control.TheJustin

It all depends on how you present your opinion. If you're merely stating your opinion, it's not damage control. If it's the center point of an argument, then...

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.MadExponent

Yeah.

Even though it may be hacked or cheated, the reader's choice award is the most people will agree with. Because they were the one that picked.

What damage is there to control? The PC and 360 still have more highly rated titles than the Wii. So you have one shinning gem that many people disagree about its viability for GOTY, so what? Its one game.Vandalvideo

That's because the 360 had a one year head start and the PC had a 20 year head start.

Did the Xbox 360 had a Game of the Year in it's first year?

Oh wait. IT DID.

There you go.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What damage is there to control? The PC and 360 still have more highly rated titles than the Wii. So you have one shinning gem that many people disagree about its viability for GOTY, so what? Its one game.Willy105

That's because the 360 had a one year head start and the PC had a 20 year head start.

Did the Xbox 360 had a Game of the Year in it's first year?

Oh wait. IT DID.

There you go.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What damage is there to control? The PC and 360 still have more highly rated titles than the Wii. So you have one shinning gem that many people disagree about its viability for GOTY, so what? Its one game.Vandalvideo

That's because the 360 had a one year head start and the PC had a 20 year head start.

Did the Xbox 360 had a Game of the Year in it's first year?

Oh wait. IT DID.

There you go.

Great.

Good for PC.

The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.

I support this thread. (Yes, I read the whole thing)Relys

Oh, and to the guy that said this was damage control damage control, yeah, it may be, but I'm just trying to give my two cents about them, because most of them are totally... weird.

Great. Good for PC.The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.Willy105

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Great. Good for PC.The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.Vandalvideo

No I was right.

I said based in time.

If the Wii was released in 2005 like the Xbox 360, they would be the same on 2006.

I was not wrong.

What I said was correct.

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

MadExponent

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Willy105"]Great. Good for PC.The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.Willy105

No I was right.

I said based in time.

If the Wii was released in 2005 like the Xbox 360, they would be the same on 2006.

I was not wrong.

What I said was correct.

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Eragon_11

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

Grodus5

We can only determine the true GoTY a bunch of years later.

Like the 90's.

We can look back at those years and readily choose which one was above the rest.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Great. Good for PC.The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.Vandalvideo

QFT. How may GOTY nominees were on the 360? Lets see, Bioshock, COD4, F2, Halo 3, Rock Band, Orange Box. So just because SMG won GOTY means that now the 360 (or the PC for that matter) is inferior to the Wii? Lets not get carried away.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Willy105"]Great. Good for PC.The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.Vandalvideo

No I was right.

I said based in time.

If the Wii was released in 2005 like the Xbox 360, they would be the same on 2006.

I was not wrong.

What I said was correct.

And I am still right.

Because I was talking about the Xbox 360 on 2006 and the Wii on 2007.

Not both of them on the same year.

You are changing the topic.

6) Damage Control:My eyes are bleeding!

Response: Lets get this straight. Super Mario Galaxy has good graphics, you have to be blind not to see that. Surely not as good tecnhcally as Crysis, but the art in my, and most other gamers, opinions, is miles ahead of anything else. Besides, is the Mona Lisa famous for her Polygon count?

Verdict: It has good graphics, grow up.Grodus 5

You used your counter argument for "It didn't deserve it" (Opinion) to support why it has good graphics (Your opinion about the art). Wii graphics are bad (I have one, don't say "Play one"), and while this does not stop SMG from being fantastic (or so I've heard, I do not own it yet) it is a true statement. Don't give us this "TEH ARTSYTLEZ" crap.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Willy105

No, lemmings went crazy, "GS is teh biased" "MassEffect is still AAA"

Dont try to sugar coat it.

They didn't threaten to kill the reviewer.

Are you sure?:o

Anyway, it was hilarious and pathetic at the same time how lemmings ridiculed sheep for the GameSpot scores. Then, when it happened to cows, they laughed yet again. However, when it happened to them, they went back on every single word they said to sheep and cows and showed off a hypocrisy that seems to go unchallenged in System Wars lore.

And I am still right.Because I was talking about the Xbox 360 on 2006 and the Wii on 2007.Not both of them on the same year.You are changing the topic. Willy105

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Willy105"]Great. Good for PC.The Wii is still on par with Xbox 360 based in time.Willy105

No I was right.

I said based in time.

If the Wii was released in 2005 like the Xbox 360, they would be the same on 2006.

I was not wrong.

What I said was correct.

Willy is right. The Wii has not caught up with the 360 because prelaunch support was not all that great. But after it got rolling, more devolpers are starting to make games for the Wii. Of course the 360 is gonna be better off the first year or so games wise, it would be stupid for companies to give up on their current projects for the 360 and just start devolping for the Wii. Now that devolpers are finishing up their projects on the 360, they are moving to the Wii. So me can expect to see a rise in good Wii Games and a decline in good 360 games, in theory of course. But the decline will be smaller than the rise of Wii games, by far.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]And I am still right.Because I was talking about the Xbox 360 on 2006 and the Wii on 2007.Not both of them on the same year.You are changing the topic. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Willy105"]And I am still right.Because I was talking about the Xbox 360 on 2006 and the Wii on 2007.Not both of them on the same year.You are changing the topic. Vandalvideo

You are the one changing it.

I said that compared to the Xbox 360's first year and the Wii's first year, they are about the same.

So what if it's an oddball comparison? This is the place to do it!

And I never changed what I said.

Look over my posts.

They say the same thing.

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Eragon_11

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Willy105"]And I am still right.Because I was talking about the Xbox 360 on 2006 and the Wii on 2007.Not both of them on the same year.You are changing the topic. Willy105

You are the one changing it.

I said that compared to the Xbox 360's first year and the Wii's first year, they are about the same.

So what if it's an oddball comparison? This is the place to do it!

And I never changed what I said.

Look over my posts.

They say the same thing.

I totally agree with most of your points. But I think you should add one more thing. A bunch of fanboys are complaining since GS is no longer a credible site, thus meaning that "obviously" Nintendo paid GS so that SMG would win. Other sites have also called SMG GOTY so that might be good to include.glitchgeeman

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Willy105"]And I am still right.Because I was talking about the Xbox 360 on 2006 and the Wii on 2007.Not both of them on the same year.You are changing the topic. Vandalvideo

You are the one changing it.

I said that compared to the Xbox 360's first year and the Wii's first year, they are about the same.

So what if it's an oddball comparison? This is the place to do it!

And I never changed what I said.

Look over my posts.

They say the same thing.

You are losing.

I'm not trying to save my face. I never lost it.

It is what I said.

BASED ON TIME, Wii and Xbox 360 are on par with each other.

You brought up the subject.

And you want to change it.

That's not right.

You need to hold on to your topic, not change the subject when it gets difficult to defend your claim.

If you cannot defend your claim, just say what you are supposed to say on this forum: "I have been owned".

And I said. I was right.

BASED ON TIME, the Xbox 360 and the Wii are on par with each other, and they both won a GOTY on their first year.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

Grodus5

Reread what you just typed. The true GOTY should be decided by the power of a vote by end users. If you notice that even though Halo 3 sold millions upon millions of copies, Crysis is in the lead and it sold fraction of that number. Technically there should be ALOT more votes for SMG and Halo 3 if it was truly a great game. Crysis is winning and it didn't sell very well. Think about it. This means that most of the people who bought Crysis loved it enough to proclaim it GOTY.