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#51 beast667
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The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

MadExponent
i doubt most users who voted played more than 2 games on that list, 4 tops. still think user vote is most important?
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#52 Vandalvideo
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You are losing.I'm not trying to save my face. I never lost it.It is what I said.BASED ON TIME Wii and Xbox 360 are on par with each other.You brought up the subject.And you want to change it.That's not right.You need to hold on to your topic, not change the subject when it gets difficult to defend your claim.f you cannot defend your claim, just say what you are supposed to say on this forum: "I have been owned".And I said. I was right.BASED ON TIME the Xbox 360 and the Wii are on par with each other, and they both won a GOTY on their first year.Willy105
"Based on time" is such a loaded phrase that could mean absolutely anything at all. It doesn't matter if this was the Wii's first year or second year, I was strictly referring to this year as awhole. You can try and use damage control and look at it relatively, but the fact of the matter is the 360 won this year. Thats it, theres nothing more you can say. The 360 won this year. You can't say something like "the wii is on par with the 360 based on time" because thats mere conjecture. Theres nothing to prove that the Wii will continue along its current rate, or the 360 for that matter. All we can say is that the 360 won this yaer. That was my original statement, and I stick to it. Instead of posting some bulbous retort, take the time to read what I typed this time. The 360 won this year. That is all. GOTY means absolutely nothing when, and I quote my ORIGINAL STATEMENT: "The 360 and PC are leading in highly rated titles". Now explain to me how I'm wrong, when my statements are 100% correct?
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#53 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

beast667

i doubt most users who voted played more than 2 games on that list, 4 tops. still think user vote is most important?

Yes.

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#54 Erkidu
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[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

MadExponent

Yeah, but if we went by that, whats so different about it? Its still just opinions, just more people's opinions. There is no way to determine the true GoTY...

Reread what you just typed. The true GOTY should be decided by the power of a vote by end users. If you notice that even though Halo 3 sold millions upon millions of copies, Crysis is in the lead and it sold fraction of that number. Technically there should be ALOT more votes for SMG and Halo 3 is it was truly a great game. Crysis is winning and it didn't sell very well. Think about it. This means that most of the people who bought Crysis loved it enough to proclaim it GOTY.

Popularity =/= quality. By your logic, Nintendogs is the greatest thing since SMB3. :|
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#55 Sajo7
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I like your example on how more kids play GTA. :P
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#56 Grodus5
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[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

MadExponent

Yeah, but if we went by that, whats so different about it? Its still just opinions, just more people's opinions. There is no way to determine the true GoTY...

Reread what you just typed. The true GOTY should be decided by the power of a vote by end users. If you notice that even though Halo 3 sold millions upon millions of copies, Crysis is in the lead and it sold fraction of that number. Technically there should be ALOT more votes for SMG and Halo 3 is it was truly a great game. Crysis is winning and it didn't sell very well. Think about it. This means that most of the people who bought Crysis loved it enough to proclaim it GOTY.

Yeah, opps. I made a bad point there, didn't I? But hey, I remember lemmings once saying that "Only Gamespot scores count" so... If we used user scores... then it would reflect a true... opinion for lack of better term of the gaming comunnity. Besides, we would have to go find every single gamer in the world and ask them. Not to mention, out of how many of the people voted, how many played and beat all the games on that list? I know I haven't, but most of them I either have or wanted to play really bad. The editors have played and beat every game on that list, so their desicion is more valid. Thanks, I'm gonna add this to my list of damage control.

P.S. I admit I made a mistake, sorry.

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#57 Grodus5
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I like your example on how more kids play GTA. :PSajo7
Lol, its sad but very true:)
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#58 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

Erkidu

Yeah, but if we went by that, whats so different about it? Its still just opinions, just more people's opinions. There is no way to determine the true GoTY...

Reread what you just typed. The true GOTY should be decided by the power of a vote by end users. If you notice that even though Halo 3 sold millions upon millions of copies, Crysis is in the lead and it sold fraction of that number. Technically there should be ALOT more votes for SMG and Halo 3 is it was truly a great game. Crysis is winning and it didn't sell very well. Think about it. This means that most of the people who bought Crysis loved it enough to proclaim it GOTY.

Popularity =/= quality. By your logic, Nintendogs is the greatest thing since SMB3. :|

We are talking about Crysis here. The quality is there.

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#59 beast667
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[QUOTE="beast667"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

MadExponent

i doubt most users who voted played more than 2 games on that list, 4 tops. still think user vote is most important?

Yes.

so youd rather have the goty be decided by fanboys whove played only a few games on the list and are clearly biased than people who haved played all of the games and are at least supposed to be somewhat unbiased. ok, whatever floats your boat
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#60 Erkidu
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[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

MadExponent

Yeah, but if we went by that, whats so different about it? Its still just opinions, just more people's opinions. There is no way to determine the true GoTY...

Reread what you just typed. The true GOTY should be decided by the power of a vote by end users. If you notice that even though Halo 3 sold millions upon millions of copies, Crysis is in the lead and it sold fraction of that number. Technically there should be ALOT more votes for SMG and Halo 3 is it was truly a great game. Crysis is winning and it didn't sell very well. Think about it. This means that most of the people who bought Crysis loved it enough to proclaim it GOTY.

Popularity =/= quality. By your logic, Nintendogs is the greatest thing since SMB3. :|

We are talking about Crysis here. The quality is there.

Here is the problem with your idea. The VAST majority of people posting on this board have not played every single nominated GotY title. Thus, how are they in a position to decide? Exactly.
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#61 tomarlyn
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I've always said it would probably get GOTY, though I really don't care and still have no interest in buying it for my Wii.
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#62 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

The only thing I can say is look at what game is winning the vote currently for GOTY. That's the one that should really count. Who cares about the editor choice. The user choice is where it's at.

Grodus5

Yeah, but if we went by that, whats so different about it? Its still just opinions, just more people's opinions. There is no way to determine the true GoTY...

Reread what you just typed. The true GOTY should be decided by the power of a vote by end users. If you notice that even though Halo 3 sold millions upon millions of copies, Crysis is in the lead and it sold fraction of that number. Technically there should be ALOT more votes for SMG and Halo 3 is it was truly a great game. Crysis is winning and it didn't sell very well. Think about it. This means that most of the people who bought Crysis loved it enough to proclaim it GOTY.

Yeah, opps. I made a bad point there, didn't I? But hey, I remember lemmings once saying that "Only Gamespot scores count" so... If we used user scores... then it would reflect a true... opinion for lack of better term of the gaming comunnity. Besides, we would have to go find every single gamer in the world and ask them. Not to mention, out of how many of the people voted, how many played and beat all the games on that list? I know I haven't, but most of them I either have or wanted to play really bad. The editors have played and beat every game on that list, so their desicion is more valid. Thanks, I'm gonna add this to my list of damage control.

P.S. I admit I made a mistake, sorry.

I love how you come to that conclusion. Crysis will win the user vote and that is the one people will respect in the end. It is funny how you ignore the vote when it doesn't show the outcome you like.

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#63 Grodus5
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Mad Exponent, I'm the one jumping to conclusions? Did you even read my post? I ask you again. How many people that voted played and beat every game on that list. I didn't, you didn't, atleast 80 percent of system wars didn't. So, tell me, how many of the reveiwers played and beat all of the games on that list? All of them. Whos opinion, although opinions are never valued in an arguement if they are being passed off as facts like BOTH (not just you, but I am too) of us are doing, is more valid? One's thats played like 3 (30 percent) of the games on the list, or those that played all of them?
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#64 beast667
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Mad Exponent, I'm the one jumping to conclusions? Did you even read my post? I ask you again. How many people that voted played and beat every game on that list. I didn't, you didn't, atleast 80 percent of system wars didn't. So, tell me, how many of the reveiwers played and beat all of the games on that list? All of them. Whos opinion, although opinions are never valued in an arguement if they are being passed off as facts like BOTH (not just you, but I am too) of us are doing, is more valid? One's thats played like 3 (30 percent) of the games on the list, or those that played all of them?Grodus5
dont even bother, i asked him the same thing and he just ignored it.
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#65 Acemaster27
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Lemms, cows, and hermits are silly. Damage control, what fun!
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#66 rolo107
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Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

Eragon_11

They didn't? I sure thought they did. I mean 30 threads saying how it doesn't deserve 8.5 and having a fit sure sounds like the same thing that went on for TP and MP3.... You can stay in denial if you must...

Anyways, most of your points are valid, but some are pretty stupid if you ask me... Particularly the story one. But I agree, it deserved GOTY. It was an incredible game. :)

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#67 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]You are losing.I'm not trying to save my face. I never lost it.It is what I said.BASED ON TIME Wii and Xbox 360 are on par with each other.You brought up the subject.And you want to change it.That's not right.You need to hold on to your topic, not change the subject when it gets difficult to defend your claim.f you cannot defend your claim, just say what you are supposed to say on this forum: "I have been owned".And I said. I was right.BASED ON TIME the Xbox 360 and the Wii are on par with each other, and they both won a GOTY on their first year.Vandalvideo
"Based on time" is such a loaded phrase that could mean absolutely anything at all. It doesn't matter if this was the Wii's first year or second year, I was strictly referring to this year as awhole. You can try and use damage control and look at it relatively, but the fact of the matter is the 360 won this year. Thats it, theres nothing more you can say. The 360 won this year. You can't say something like "the wii is on par with the 360 based on time" because thats mere conjecture. Theres nothing to prove that the Wii will continue along its current rate, or the 360 for that matter. All we can say is that the 360 won this yaer. That was my original statement, and I stick to it. Instead of posting some bulbous retort, take the time to read what I typed this time. The 360 won this year. That is all. GOTY means absolutely nothing when, and I quote my ORIGINAL STATEMENT: "The 360 and PC are leading in highly rated titles". Now explain to me how I'm wrong, when my statements are 100% correct?

Mine are correct as well.

We were both talking about different things.

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#68 biggamerhk
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SMG is such a joke.
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#69 Grodus5
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[QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Point 2 is a lie.

the lemmings didnt get all that rallied up about ME 8.5. and the sheep went totally ape**** at TP and MP3 scores.

rolo107

They didn't? I sure thought they did. I mean 30 threads saying how it doesn't deserve 8.5 and having a fit sure sounds like the same thing that went on for TP and MP3.... You can stay in denial if you must...

Anyways, most of your points are valid, but some are pretty stupid if you ask me... Particularly the story one. But I agree, it deserved GOTY. It was an incredible game. :)

Yeah, the lemmings weren't AS mad at Mass Effect as Sheep were at TP and Corruption, but the lemmings are acting as it never happened, but there was still a lot of threads about Mass Effect...

Hey, I was trying to cover every Damage Control I could think of, and thats alot, so some of it was pretty stupid. Oh well, I tried:)

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#70 Grodus5
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SMG is such a joke. biggamerhk
Darn, foregot to add that one. Normally, you don't post such a damage control remark in a thread that has already proved why such remarks ("SMG is such a joke") are stupid. So you just said your uber awesome shooters got beat by a joke? Way to go:)
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#71 MadExponent
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Mad Exponent, I'm the one jumping to conclusions? Did you even read my post? I ask you again. How many people that voted played and beat every game on that list. I didn't, you didn't, atleast 80 percent of system wars didn't. So, tell me, how many of the reveiwers played and beat all of the games on that list? All of them. Whos opinion, although opinions are never valued in an arguement if they are being passed off as facts like BOTH (not just you, but I am too) of us are doing, is more valid? One's thats played like 3 (30 percent) of the games on the list, or those that played all of them?Grodus5

Get your fellow SMG fans to vote in the poll. If they are out there then it should be easy to get SMG to where it needs to be. As far as I'm concerned Crysis is GOTY and the numbers back me up. Can you claim the same?

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#72 wooooode
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I have not played everygame nominated but I have played most of them and Mario is a strong runner in that group.