RGB Full Range when did that come around?

i was thinking that rachet looked rubbish, i have it on a full hd tv but then i got playing with the settings and that and wow its made a signifcant difference imo

when did this feature come about?

there are a lot of misunderstandings about full rgb and super white.

If your screen supports Full rgb (LOT'S DON"T) than you will get better black values (as in more different dark tones) and better color separation (and more colors). If your screen does NOT support it, the dark areas will just get too dark...

It will NOT make textures better and it will NOT take care of jaggies.

most people are misinformed and think it will make a positive change on ALL screens. that is not true. Some might think so, cause you will have more contrast, but in fact your darker areas will just be too dark and you will loose detail in darker areas. compare for yourself.

there are a lot of misunderstandings about full rgb and super white.

If your screen supports Full rgb (LOT'S DON"T) than you will get better black values (as in more different dark tones) and better color separation (and more colors). If your screen does NOT support it, the dark areas will just get too dark...

It will NOT make textures better and it will NOT take care of jaggies.

most people are misinformed and think it will make a positive change on ALL screens. that is not true. Some might think so, cause you will have more contrast, but in fact your darker areas will just be too dark and you will loose detail in darker areas. compare for yourself.

Always-Honest

If you own a newer hdtv then the difference will be for the better. It does not take care of jaggies but the color contrast definitely makes textures look crisper/sharper... and jaggies have not been a big problem this gen anyway. I have not seen a single set that supports RGB but manages to make areas TOO dark. The point of Full RGB is to receive the full range of the color spectrum instead of a limited view, which provides richer looking pictures in both movies and games. There are sets that do not display blacks or certain primary colors as well as others... but the complaint is normally blacks not being DEEP ENOUGH, I've never heard of it causing a set to bee 'too dark'.

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there are a lot of misunderstandings about full rgb and super white.

If your screen supports Full rgb (LOT'S DON"T) than you will get better black values (as in more different dark tones) and better color separation (and more colors). If your screen does NOT support it, the dark areas will just get too dark...

It will NOT make textures better and it will NOT take care of jaggies.

most people are misinformed and think it will make a positive change on ALL screens. that is not true. Some might think so, cause you will have more contrast, but in fact your darker areas will just be too dark and you will loose detail in darker areas. compare for yourself.

Sgt_Hale

If you own a newer hdtv then the difference will be for the better. It does not take care of jaggies but the color contrast definitely makes textures look crisper/sharper... and jaggies have not been a big problem this gen anyway. I have not seen a single set that supports RGB but manages to make areas TOO dark. The point of Full RGB is to receive the full range of the color spectrum instead of a limited view, which provides richer looking pictures in both movies and games. There are sets that do not display blacks or certain primary colors as well as others... but the complaint is normally blacks not being DEEP ENOUGH, I've never heard of it causing a set to bee 'too dark'.

because of better color separation colors will look less washed out. this will make textures look a little sharper.

And yes, if your set does not support full rgb, than dark areas will get too dark.

Full rgb has rgb values that range from 0 to 255 (255 being ultra white and 0 being ultra black). Limited RGB has rgb values from 16-235. sending a Full rgb signal over a limited rgb screen will make it over saturated instead of giving more rich clors and black values.. i don't exactly know why though.. (you'd think nothing would happen..)

I have Full RGB and Super White.

It's beautiful.

I have Full RGB and Super White.

It's beautiful.

Thompsonwhore

it's of no use to turn them on together....

RGB full range opposed to limited improves colors significantly and Super White merely makes whites, whiter.

Do you even have a TV capable of both? I can tell you that they do not cancel each other out.

RGB full range opposed to limited improves colors significantly and Super White merely makes whites, whiter.

Do you even have a TV capable of both? I can tell you that they do not cancel each other out.

Thompsonwhore

Full rgb allready has the whitest white.

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RGB full range opposed to limited improves colors significantly and Super White merely makes whites, whiter.

Do you even have a TV capable of both? I can tell you that they do not cancel each other out.

Always-Honest

Full rgb allready has the whitest white.

I can tell you that Super White improves it even more. I'd take picture with a digital camera for you but I am without one.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

RGB full range opposed to limited improves colors significantly and Super White merely makes whites, whiter.

Do you even have a TV capable of both? I can tell you that they do not cancel each other out.

Thompsonwhore

Full rgb allready has the whitest white.

I can tell you that Super White improves it even more. I'd take picture with a digital camera for you but I am without one.

does you're screen support full rgb?

I have a KDS-60A2000.

As far I know, it does. I can say that switching between the two makes a considerable difference in color.

I have a KDS-60A2000.

As far I know, it does. I can say that switching between the two makes a considerable difference in color.

Thompsonwhore

well, all i can say is that full rgb is the FULL range from ultra white to ultra black..

also, yu should DISable full RGB when watching dvd's, cause they are encoded in limited rgb and will get over saturated.

What about Blu-ray discs? Thompsonwhore

same. they are encoded in YCrCb (component). when set to full rgb, you will force it to PC levels of RGB.. it will not look better.

Set your BD output to YCrCb (you can adjust that in the BD PS3 settings).

for a technicall explanation (sorry, kinda boring dry stff from an AV forum):

Games are created on PCs and use 0-255 RGB
BluRay, DVDs are stored on the disc as 16-235 YCbCr

To keep things simple, think of the darkest black the TV does as 0, and the brightest white as 255.

The PS3 at its defaults is compressing the 0-255 RGB from games to 16-235, so gradations are not as smooth as they could be. It outputs DVD/BD as YCC 16-235. When the television is left on "Auto" it "uncompresses" this 16-235 range so that 16 is black (0) and 235 is white. (255) This means that DVD/BD looks fine, but games have a slightly degraded image quality.

To have games looking at their best, you need to enable Full RGB. This means that RGB signals output from the PS3 use 0-255 RGB, but leaves YCC signals as 16-235. (Super White changes YCC to 0-255) So Games are then outputting 0-255 RGB, and DVD/BD is still 16-235 YCC. However, with the TV on "Auto" it does not detect that RGB has changed to 0-255, and therefore anything below 16, and above 235 becomes solid black or solid white. (all your shadow/highlight detail disappears)

To fix this, you need to change the TV manually to Colour-4, which sets it to use 0-255 RGB. However, now that the TV is manually set to 0-255 RGB, a 16-235 YCC signal will look completely wrong. (usually turns green) The easy solution here is to have the PS3 to convert the 16-235 YCC signal to 0-255 RGB, and this is done by changing the DVD/BD setting to RGB.

So, potentially, there is a very minor quality loss with DVD/BD this way, though I can't say I have noticed a difference. I have, however, seen an improvement with games using Full RGB.

I'm pretty sure my TV does NOT support Ful RGB but my ps3 looks better with it on so i dont give a f***

I'm pretty sure my TV does NOT support Ful RGB but my ps3 looks better with it on so i dont give a f***

thageneral3

well, the important thing is that it looks good to you. true.

I cringe every time someone on this forums mentions 'Full RGB', the amount of misunderstanding surrounding it is off the scale.

I love the way the fanboys think it's some sort of super new 'feature' that a tv has to support. It's a simple video levels setting that you need to match up with what your tv is expecting (i.e black at 0 or 16, sometimes changeable) You will not find 'Full RGB support' listed in any tv spec because it's a BS name Sony have made up. I repeat it is a SETTING and not a FEATURE. LOL at people using phrases like 'superblack':lol: It is the exact same thing as the 360's reference setting.

I'll bet most are turning it on without even recalibrating before declaring it better.