Riddle me this, PSN cows.

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#1 xsubtownerx
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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.
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I bet if Xbox Live was out for as long as PSN there would probably be fewer users.
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Because they most likely don't have high speed internet. Otherwise they obviously would try it because it is free.
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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx

In reality, there are many out there that don't even think about the online play. Call 'em casuals if you will. And isn't like they tried it and said, "Eh, its free but I don't like it, I'm not using it."

I know a few PS3 owners that have never hooked their PS3 up to the internet. Its sad, absolutely sad. And it drives me nuts. Why would you even buy a 360 or PS3 without using the online service to at least update the firmware and the OS? Weak.

But this says ZERO about the service itself. More about the buyers of the console. And if you want to bash the PS3 for grabbing casuals, fine. But don't forget about the Wii.

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#7 the1stfandb
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Many ps3 owners don't care for online and like the single player alot more. Also USA is all about the online.
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Not every gamer plays online nor does every PS3 gamer have an online connection?
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this thread kind of fails, if its free the only thing keeping them from going on is maybe lack of internet in their house. this would only count as ownage if it was live and people were not paying to go on if it was so great. the little fanboy comment in the title makes this thread seem like a useless attempt to hate on the system you dont own rather than trying to make a good conversation out of it
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#10 villa4europe
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ive had my ps3 since launch and only got broadband last week! unfortunately not all of my area had a decent speed

i think the games dictate the online users, so far only really CoD4 and RfoM had good online features, R&C and Uncharted ob dont, hopefully there will be a big influx with GT5p owners and if MGS4 has a decent online mode

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#11 Uptown
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here's you're answer in a nutshell....

you're trying to say PSN is bad because only half of its users are on the free PSN network....well guess what? For them to KNOW that the PSN is bad as you claim it is, they would have to make a PSN account and check it out....which they havnt since theyre not counted in the amount of users.....Riddle that!

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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx
lol 1/3? 5 million + with a worldwide install base of 11.5 million =/= 1/3
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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx

Since when do only a third of PS3 users use it?

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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx

Since when do only a third of PS3 users use it?

It has almost 3 million users in America, in an install base of around 4.5 million, which is two thirds. So out of 11.5 million altogether, that's about 7-8 million users worldwide.

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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx

Riddle me this, Lemming

If xbox live is so great then why...

Was no one playing it from Christmas through January

It was unplayable last week

A third of 360 users who have gold accounts can't play because their system RROD

and why do you pay $50 a year for a laggy peer to peer network?

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.StringGuard

In reality, there are many out there that don't even think about the online play. Call 'em casuals if you will. And isn't like they tried it and said, "Eh, its free but I don't like it, I'm not using it."

I know a few PS3 owners that have never hooked their PS3 up to the internet. Its sad, absolutely sad. And it drives me nuts. Why would you even buy a 360 or PS3 without using the online service to at least update the firmware and the OS? Weak.

But this says ZERO about the service itself. More about the buyers of the console. And if you want to bash the PS3 for grabbing casuals, fine. But don't forget about the Wii.

Actually, all I use the PSN for is to download stuff from the store. I barely play online.

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here's you're answer in a nutshell....

you're trying to say PSN is bad because only half of its users are on the free PSN network....well guess what? For them to KNOW that the PSN is bad as you claim it is, they would have to make a PSN account and check it out....which they havnt since theyre not counted in the amount of users.....Riddle that!

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lol after reading that i imagine the TC looking like the guy in you avi
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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx

1) The PS3 currently only has about 10 million sales world wide. So if PSn is at 5 million users, that means 50%....not 1/3.

2) The 360 has about 17.5 million world wide sales. So if they have 10 million users,

3) BOTH online plans can only track how many accounts there are. Therefore, it is difficult to tell how many accounts have been abandoned. However, this may be unfair, but since PSN is free and XBL has a free first month but then costs money...I would assume that there are more unused XBL accounts than PSN accounts. I assume this because people probably start a free account but never move to the Gold subscription which is what is required to pretty much do anything on XBL.

In short....your numbers are meaningless and nobody really cares. Clearly, people who want a hardcore online machine will buy the 360, while the average Joe gamer probably couldn't care less.

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xbox live users mean both silver and gold users. so only half maybe of those 10 mill are gold users
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#20 EmperorSupreme
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5 million is pretty good, looks like PSN is set to eclipse Live in the amount of online players definetly by the end of the year. X360 has 10 million users including gold and silver members. Last reported only 30% of those paid for Gold, it might be more now that you have to pay to get demos, etc on time though.
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I bet if Xbox Live was out for as long as PSN there would probably be fewer users.Ragnarok1051

See that argument isn't valid because PSN is free. A third of PS3 users have it and half of 360 users have XBL. One being a free service and the other being a paid service. PSN should at least be at 2/3 of PS3 users. Regardless of when it came out.

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.ZIMdoom

1) The PS3 currently only has about 10 million sales world wide. So if PSn is at 5 million users, that means 50%....not 1/3.

2) The 360 has about 17.5 million world wide sales. So if they have 10 million users,

3) BOTH online plans can only track how many accounts there are. Therefore, it is difficult to tell how many accounts have been abandoned. However, this may be unfair, but since PSN is free and XBL has a free first month but then costs money...I would assume that there are more unused XBL accounts than PSN accounts. I assume this because people probably start a free account but never move to the Gold subscription which is what is required to pretty much do anything on XBL.

In short....your numbers are meaningless and nobody really cares. Clearly, people who want a hardcore online machine will buy the 360, while the average Joe gamer probably couldn't care less.

The sales for the PS3 are closer to 14 mil.

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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]I bet if Xbox Live was out for as long as PSN there would probably be fewer users.xsubtownerx

See that argument isn't valid because PSN is free. A third of PS3 users have it and half of 360 users have XBL. One being a free service and the other being a paid service. PSN should at least be at 2/3 of PS3 users. Regardless of when it came out.

Respond to my response and then back up your response with facts that the other half of PS3 users not on PSN are simply not on it because it sucks.....you cant.

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#24 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]I bet if Xbox Live was out for as long as PSN there would probably be fewer users.Uptown

See that argument isn't valid because PSN is free. A third of PS3 users have it and half of 360 users have XBL. One being a free service and the other being a paid service. PSN should at least be at 2/3 of PS3 users. Regardless of when it came out.

Respond to my response and then back up your response with facts that the other half of PS3 users not on PSN are simply not on it because it sucks.....you cant.

I never said PSN sucks. My point was that XBL is by far a better online service.

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#25 GnR-SLaSh
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I'm interested to know where you got that figure from anyway?
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#26 the1stfandb
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[QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]I bet if Xbox Live was out for as long as PSN there would probably be fewer users.xsubtownerx

See that argument isn't valid because PSN is free. A third of PS3 users have it and half of 360 users have XBL. One being a free service and the other being a paid service. PSN should at least be at 2/3 of PS3 users. Regardless of when it came out.

Respond to my response and then back up your response with facts that the other half of PS3 users not on PSN are simply not on it because it sucks.....you cant.

I never said PSN sucks. My point was that XBL is by far a better online service.

I am still gonna say: Many(if not most) 360 owners bought there system for online many ps3 owners did not. It has more to do with players and games then the service itself.

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XBL has been out for 5+ years while PSN has been out for less than 2. There's your answer.

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this thread kind of fails, if its free the only thing keeping them from going on is maybe lack of internet in their house. this would only count as ownage if it was live and people were not paying to go on if it was so great. the little fanboy comment in the title makes this thread seem like a useless attempt to hate on the system you dont own rather than trying to make a good conversation out of itriver_rat3117

I dont understand this whole lack of internet thing. So let me get this straight people who have the 360 have more internet connections then that of someone who purchased the PS3? I dont believe that, in fact I think that is the biggest crap statement I've heard in the longest time. So as a consumer you will spend 4-5 hundred dollars on a console but you don't have an internet connect at your house? I find that hard to believe :|

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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx

just out of interst do you actaully feel the need to write this? Dp you actaually hate ps3 owners just because they have ps3's?

also the 360 is bound to have more users because its been out longer and there is a larger amount of people with 360's.

Maybe more people with ps3's dont want to go online? ever though of that? I go online, but if others dont want to I dont care. Its not like PSN is rubbish, the actual online gaming is the same. Plus if you are a 360 owner, you get a some free online gold membership which would make people make an account, after that though they may only use the silver XBL but not actaully use it.

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[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]this thread kind of fails, if its free the only thing keeping them from going on is maybe lack of internet in their house. this would only count as ownage if it was live and people were not paying to go on if it was so great. the little fanboy comment in the title makes this thread seem like a useless attempt to hate on the system you dont own rather than trying to make a good conversation out of itxscrapzx

I dont understand this whole lack of internet thing. So let me get this straight people who have the 360 have more internet connections then that of someone who purchased the PS3? I dont believe that, in fact I think that is the biggest crap statement I've heard in the longest time. So as a consumer you will spend 4-5 hundred dollars on a console but you don't have an internet connect at your house? I find that hard to believe :|

I have no proof of this, of course. But it could be said that the U.S. has more broadband available than many other countries. And we all know where Live's memberships reside.

I don't, personally, think that's the reason. I just think there are more casuals on the PS3 than the 360.

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but your guaging that on something so subjective as the amount of users....of which obviously PSN would have less since it has an install base of about 6 million less than the 360. .....couple that with the fact that not everyone that owns a PS3 has broadband and it makes you're entire argument moot...

Uptown

Having a samller install base means nothing. PSN is free. isn't that the argument I hear everyday on SW. Well if it's free, why isn't everyone using it!? Ok and not every 360 owner has broadband either. See that argument works both ways.

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I have a PS3 and DSL service that I had long before I even bought my PS3 and I have an PSN account but I haven't got interested in on-line gaming but if I happen to have an urge to play a game on-line I can do so and not even think about is it a waste of money or not because it's free for me or any other PS3 owner to use. As for paying to play a game after paying a premium price for the game is just another way of milking the consumer. It doesn't matter how little it cost, even if it cost as little as 50 cents a month it's not the price it's the principal of the practice.
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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

but your guaging that on something so subjective as the amount of users....of which obviously PSN would have less since it has an install base of about 6 million less than the 360. .....couple that with the fact that not everyone that owns a PS3 has broadband and it makes you're entire argument moot...

xsubtownerx

Having a samller install base means nothing. PSN is free. isn't that the argument I hear everyday on SW. Well if it's free, why isn't everyone using it!? Ok and not every 360 owner has broadband either. See that argument works both ways.

Wii has the largest install base and you cant even get a game of Guitar Hero or Smash Bros online....Ive tried on my brothers Wii....again...not everyone who owns consoles plays online....

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

but your guaging that on something so subjective as the amount of users....of which obviously PSN would have less since it has an install base of about 6 million less than the 360. .....couple that with the fact that not everyone that owns a PS3 has broadband and it makes you're entire argument moot...

xsubtownerx

Having a samller install base means nothing. PSN is free. isn't that the argument I hear everyday on SW. Well if it's free, why isn't everyone using it!? Ok and not every 360 owner has broadband either. See that argument works both ways.

Lemmings' daily arguments for Live are that its so good the fee doesn't matter. But then you turn around and say that because PSN doesn't have the fee it should be more popular. Is Live better or not? Does the fee matter or not?

Make up your minds.

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Uptown"]

but your guaging that on something so subjective as the amount of users....of which obviously PSN would have less since it has an install base of about 6 million less than the 360. .....couple that with the fact that not everyone that owns a PS3 has broadband and it makes you're entire argument moot...

StringGuard

Having a samller install base means nothing. PSN is free. isn't that the argument I hear everyday on SW. Well if it's free, why isn't everyone using it!? Ok and not every 360 owner has broadband either. See that argument works both ways.

Lemmings' daily arguments for Live are that its so good the fee doesn't matter. But then you turn around and say that because PSN doesn't have the fee it should be more popular. Is Live better or not? Does the fee matter or not?

Make up your minds.

The fee doesn't matter obviously.. that was my point! Cows hate XBL because it "isn't free" yet they don't even use their free online service... see the irony?

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#36 ImportBMWRacer
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How lame and fanboysih of a reason," Maybe most PS3 owners dont have a internet connection". The simple point the TC was making is that even though PSN is Free, only a 1/3 of owners are using it...(those numbers could be false) And while Xbox Live costs $50 dollars it has many more subscribers....

Make a relevant rebuttle to this thread, or dont waste our time, or even your time making pointless statements...

As far as 1/3 PS3 owners using PSN, that would be quite sad, especially considering that we can make 16 accounts per console, its FREE, and I would assume that most people now a days, especially those who drop 500$ plus dollars for a system, would definitley have an internet connection,Highspeed of course.

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I'm interested to know where you got that figure from anyway?GnR-SLaSh
ya, i would like to know where he got those numbers from too, and on a side note why are u the only one questioning the credibility of those numbers, everyone esle assumed it the truth.
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[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]this thread kind of fails, if its free the only thing keeping them from going on is maybe lack of internet in their house. this would only count as ownage if it was live and people were not paying to go on if it was so great. the little fanboy comment in the title makes this thread seem like a useless attempt to hate on the system you dont own rather than trying to make a good conversation out of itxscrapzx

I dont understand this whole lack of internet thing. So let me get this straight people who have the 360 have more internet connections then that of someone who purchased the PS3? I dont believe that, in fact I think that is the biggest crap statement I've heard in the longest time. So as a consumer you will spend 4-5 hundred dollars on a console but you don't have an internet connect at your house? I find that hard to believe :|

ok but to buy a $400-500 system and to not go online with it at all. considering as soon as you go online (even the store) you have to make an account so they would then be counted in this number. there is no hard fact on this subject at all and all we are going to do is argue in circles
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#39 StringGuard
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[QUOTE="StringGuard"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Uptown"]

but your guaging that on something so subjective as the amount of users....of which obviously PSN would have less since it has an install base of about 6 million less than the 360. .....couple that with the fact that not everyone that owns a PS3 has broadband and it makes you're entire argument moot...

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Having a samller install base means nothing. PSN is free. isn't that the argument I hear everyday on SW. Well if it's free, why isn't everyone using it!? Ok and not every 360 owner has broadband either. See that argument works both ways.

Lemmings' daily arguments for Live are that its so good the fee doesn't matter. But then you turn around and say that because PSN doesn't have the fee it should be more popular. Is Live better or not? Does the fee matter or not?

Make up your minds.

The fee doesn't matter obviously.. that was my point! Cows hate XBL because it "isn't free" yet they don't even use their free online service... see the irony?

I think you are misunderstanding. I don't think anyone hates Live, that would be stupid. And I don't think anyone thinks Live is a lesser service for charging the fee. The main point I've made and seen is that PSN can give you most of what makes XBL great but for free. And this will be even more concrete when Home and in-game XMB are released.

If I can do on PSN what I'd want on XBL but for free, I'm there. Why would I pay? That's the overall point.

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How lame and fanboysih of a reason," Maybe most PS3 owners dont have a internet connection". The simple point the TC was making is that even though PSN is Free, only a 1/3 of owners are using it...(those numbers could be false) And while Xbox Live costs $50 dollars it has many more subscribers....

Make a relevant rebuttle to this thread, or dont waste our time, or even your time making pointless statements...

As far as 1/3 PS3 owners using PSN, that would be quite sad, especially considering that we can make 16 accounts per console, its FREE, and I would assume that most people now a days, especially those who drop 500$ plus dollars for a system, would definitley have an internet connection,Highspeed of course.

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the numbers are much closer to half or a little over half and xbox live members number is both silver and gold, which means the numbers between both consoles are much closer than you think, as for why the other half hasnt signed up for a free online service is beyond me.
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How lame and fanboysih of a reason," Maybe most PS3 owners dont have a internet connection". The simple point the TC was making is that even though PSN is Free, only a 1/3 of owners are using it...(those numbers could be false) And while Xbox Live costs $50 dollars it has many more subscribers....

Make a relevant rebuttle to this thread, or dont waste our time, or even your time making pointless statements...

As far as 1/3 PS3 owners using PSN, that would be quite sad, especially considering that we can make 16 accounts per console, its FREE, and I would assume that most people now a days, especially those who drop 500$ plus dollars for a system, would definitley have an internet connection,Highspeed of course.

ImportBMWRacer

Of those 10 million users who pay, all of them have an obligation to use the service, otherwise it's a waste of money. Free means, they don't have to worry about using the service weekly, or even daily. It's full service is open and ready to use whenever the users choose to do so; without cost.

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If PSN is so GREAT and FREE, why is there only a third of PS3 users using it? (5 mil was it?) I mean this doesn't make sense, because it's FREE, so you'd think that every PS3 owner would have it. The XBL is 50$ a year and has 10 mil users. See where I'm going with this? So maybe PSN isn't as awesome as you cows make it out to be or else more of you would be using it.xsubtownerx
FANBOY ALERT...FANBOY ALERT!!!! Hmm shall we think here? XBOX Live has been around for what? Almost 7 years! PSN has been around for what? Going on 3...maybe? Do you think that all of the XBL users just came on board with the 360? Umm nope, Id bet 75% of them are hold overs from the original XBOX days!!!

Look, I own both consoles and I dont have an issue with either online network. But I do feel that PSN offers the exact same experiences for the most part that XBL does and it doesn't cost 1 cent. Why should MS get away with charging $50 a year for somewthing that Sony gives PS3 owners for free? Do games lag anymore or less on PSN than they do on XBL? No, but its free on PSN! Do PS3 owners get the latest in game demos and video features? Yes and PSN is free! Do I care that XBL users got the CoD 4 maps first? Not a bit since there is no cross console gaming atm and stuff like that has nothing to do with the online service. That is all about MS throwing $$$$ in everyones lap to try and stave off the innevitable which is PS3 domination in 2008 and beyond!

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#43 ImportBMWRacer
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="StringGuard"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Uptown"]

but your guaging that on something so subjective as the amount of users....of which obviously PSN would have less since it has an install base of about 6 million less than the 360. .....couple that with the fact that not everyone that owns a PS3 has broadband and it makes you're entire argument moot...

StringGuard

Having a samller install base means nothing. PSN is free. isn't that the argument I hear everyday on SW. Well if it's free, why isn't everyone using it!? Ok and not every 360 owner has broadband either. See that argument works both ways.

Lemmings' daily arguments for Live are that its so good the fee doesn't matter. But then you turn around and say that because PSN doesn't have the fee it should be more popular. Is Live better or not? Does the fee matter or not?

Make up your minds.

The fee doesn't matter obviously.. that was my point! Cows hate XBL because it "isn't free" yet they don't even use their free online service... see the irony?

I think you are misunderstanding. I don't think anyone hates Live, that would be stupid. And I don't think anyone thinks Live is a lesser service for charging the fee. The main point I've made and seen is that PSN can give you most of what makes XBL great but for free. And this will be even more concrete when Home and in-game XMB are released.

If I can do on PSN what I'd want on XBL but for free, I'm there. Why would I pay? That's the overall point.

First off cows always complain about the miniscule amount of dollars your pay for XBL, and consider it terrible for that reason.

As for PSN doing what XBL does, it doesnt come very close at all. Its not as simple, nor as smooth as XBL. I would gladly pay for PSN if it would compare to XBL. Thats one of the reasons we pay for XBL, is to keep it maintained and up to date(of course there are other reasons)

As for PSN doing what XBL can in the future? We will have to wait and see...Its a very weak argument, and shouldnt be used til we know more...

To be honest I think PSN will some day start charging, maybe not this generation, but definitley the next. There is to much money to be made, and its to exspensive to upkeep.

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[QUOTE="ImportBMWRacer"]

How lame and fanboysih of a reason," Maybe most PS3 owners dont have a internet connection". The simple point the TC was making is that even though PSN is Free, only a 1/3 of owners are using it...(those numbers could be false) And while Xbox Live costs $50 dollars it has many more subscribers....

Make a relevant rebuttle to this thread, or dont waste our time, or even your time making pointless statements...

As far as 1/3 PS3 owners using PSN, that would be quite sad, especially considering that we can make 16 accounts per console, its FREE, and I would assume that most people now a days, especially those who drop 500$ plus dollars for a system, would definitley have an internet connection,Highspeed of course.

DementedDragon

Of those 10 million users who pay, all of them have an obligation to use the service, otherwise it's a waste of money. Free means, they don't have to worry about using the service weekly, or even daily. It's full service is open and ready to use whenever the users choose to do so; without cost.

Xbox Live does NOT have 10 million paying members. That is 10 million total users. Of those last MS revealed 30% of those pay to play.

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#45 ImportBMWRacer
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[QUOTE="DementedDragon"][QUOTE="ImportBMWRacer"]

How lame and fanboysih of a reason," Maybe most PS3 owners dont have a internet connection". The simple point the TC was making is that even though PSN is Free, only a 1/3 of owners are using it...(those numbers could be false) And while Xbox Live costs $50 dollars it has many more subscribers....

Make a relevant rebuttle to this thread, or dont waste our time, or even your time making pointless statements...

As far as 1/3 PS3 owners using PSN, that would be quite sad, especially considering that we can make 16 accounts per console, its FREE, and I would assume that most people now a days, especially those who drop 500$ plus dollars for a system, would definitley have an internet connection,Highspeed of course.

EmperorSupreme

Of those 10 million users who pay, all of them have an obligation to use the service, otherwise it's a waste of money. Free means, they don't have to worry about using the service weekly, or even daily. It's full service is open and ready to use whenever the users choose to do so; without cost.

Xbox Live does NOT have 10 million paying members. That is 10 million total users. Of those last MS revealed 30% of those pay to play.

Can you link proof to those numbers?

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#46 xscrapzx
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]this thread kind of fails, if its free the only thing keeping them from going on is maybe lack of internet in their house. this would only count as ownage if it was live and people were not paying to go on if it was so great. the little fanboy comment in the title makes this thread seem like a useless attempt to hate on the system you dont own rather than trying to make a good conversation out of itriver_rat3117

I dont understand this whole lack of internet thing. So let me get this straight people who have the 360 have more internet connections then that of someone who purchased the PS3? I dont believe that, in fact I think that is the biggest crap statement I've heard in the longest time. So as a consumer you will spend 4-5 hundred dollars on a console but you don't have an internet connect at your house? I find that hard to believe :|

ok but to buy a $400-500 system and to not go online with it at all. considering as soon as you go online (even the store) you have to make an account so they would then be counted in this number. there is no hard fact on this subject at all and all we are going to do is argue in circles

Of course and I will agree with you on that, and its always going to be argued in circles because there are no facts to as why one is better than the other (though in some area I guess you could argue it). If you can justify personally why you spend the $50 a year that should be a good enough answer, and same goes for the PS3, but a lot people want to argue the word opinion and just can't except it.

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]this thread kind of fails, if its free the only thing keeping them from going on is maybe lack of internet in their house. this would only count as ownage if it was live and people were not paying to go on if it was so great. the little fanboy comment in the title makes this thread seem like a useless attempt to hate on the system you dont own rather than trying to make a good conversation out of itriver_rat3117

I dont understand this whole lack of internet thing. So let me get this straight people who have the 360 have more internet connections then that of someone who purchased the PS3? I dont believe that, in fact I think that is the biggest crap statement I've heard in the longest time. So as a consumer you will spend 4-5 hundred dollars on a console but you don't have an internet connect at your house? I find that hard to believe :|

ok but to buy a $400-500 system and to not go online with it at all. considering as soon as you go online (even the store) you have to make an account so they would then be counted in this number. there is no hard fact on this subject at all and all we are going to do is argue in circles

Of course and I will agree with you on that, and its always going to be argued in circles because there are no facts to as why one is better than the other (though in some area I guess you could argue it). If you can justify personally why you spend the $50 a year that should be a good enough answer, and same goes for the PS3, but a lot people want to argue the word opinion and just can't accept it.

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The same reason why the other 10 million 360 owners aren't on Live. They don't have the means.
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#49 StringGuard
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First off cows always complain about the miniscule amount of dollars your pay for XBL, and consider it terrible for that reason.

As for PSN doing what XBL does, it doesnt come very close at all. Its not as simple, nor as smooth as XBL. I would gladly pay for PSN if it would compare to XBL. Thats one of the reasons we pay for XBL, is to keep it maintained and up to date(of course there are other reasons)

As for PSN doing what XBL can in the future? We will have to wait and see...Its a very weak argument, and shouldnt be used til we know more...

To be honest I think PSN will some day start charging, maybe not this generation, but definitley the next. There is to much money to be made, and its to exspensive to upkeep.

ImportBMWRacer

What more do you need to know?

Next week PSN reopens with a new look and design. No longer will it be web-based. It will require a OS upgrade.

Home and its features are well known. It gives you the ability to earn trophies for show, join a free open-world community to chat with friends and to gather to jump into a game. Read about it.

And in-game XMB will do simply what it says. Allow a user to access the XMB features whil ein any game. Meaning voice chat, text chat, music, etc.

There's no if on these, just a matter of when. And the when isn't even that questioned. It will be within the next 6 months, for sure. Quote me on that if you wish.

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#50 Andrew_Xavier
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Where are these numbers even being pulled from? Like seriously, unless someone sits there monitoring Sony's servers to see how many people use the service, how do you know it's 5mil? Or 1mil? Or 50 people? Or any number?