RIP "Exclusives don't matter" 2015-2017

LOL!! What!?!? The Wii U had nothing but exclusives on it, so what didn't that sell 100 million units? Because it didn't have 1000's of 3rd party games and exclusives on it like the OG Wii did. A console can't be successful with just exclusives games and gamers don't buy a game console to only play exclusives. If that were truly the case, exclusives would outsell all 3rd party games and we know that isn;t anywhere close to happening. Games like Madden and NBA 2K will actually outsell many exclusive games on the PS4 and XB1. These aren't even the strongest 3rd party games. Now go pick up your mic. lol!!

1-Xbox being in the third place is not due to the lack of exclusives nor the popularity of PS4 is because of it's high rated exclusives

2-most people ain't gonna buy console B or C because the majority of them are satisfied with one gaming platform -Console A-

Yeah.. Shewgenja is a biased fanboy, so don't pay him much mind. The results of the 8th generation has already been decided. Nothing is going to change this.

1. PS4
2. XB1
3. Wii U

1. XBox isn't in 3rd place. You you are 100% wrong on that.

2. Gamers will still buy XBox One and XB1X this holiday. Most gamers won't be buying a Wii U, that's true. They will get the 9th gen Switch instead. I'm actually satified will all 3 8th gen game consoles, as I own them all and each for various reasons. You forgot D platform (PC).

You would defend Xbone if it touched your first born.

@Blazed: The Switch came out only a few months ago, if the PS4 wasn't able to outsell the Switch it would have been very VERY bad, don't really see why that was even a point that needed to be brought up....

And lets not go that direction please, the major selling point of the PS4 was because it offered a more powerful machine for a lower price than its competitor, cows love to run their mouths about graphics, they make bloody forum posts about it every week, Uncharted 4 best graphics, FF15 best graphics, The Order Best Graphics, so yes, graphics and power did play a major roll, for crying out loud the introduction of upgraded consoles (ie, the PS4 Pro) was Sony's idea, because they really REALLY wanted to push 4k, and the fanboys couldn't shut up about it either, power evidently is a strong point of focus (one I for the record fully disagree with) with both Sony and MS.

And again, exclusives play a very minimal role in console sales, to give you a clear perspective, over 60 million PS4s have been sold as of 2017, currently the highest sold PS4 exclusive is Uncharted 4, at 8.7 million, other exclusive average out at around 1.2 million copies sold, meanwhile multiplats on the PS4 like GTA5 and Call of Duty sold around 14 million copies, with other multiplats averaging at around 10 million and their numbers keep going up, with these numbers there is a very high probability that there are PS4 owners that don't posses a single exclusive title. most people with PS4s don't even know games like Persona 5 or The Last Guardian, but every toddler and grandmas know GTA or FIFA and they are more interested in playing those games. The PS4's selling point is very difficult to determine exactly but it most definitely ranges between price and popularity, both heavily related to marketing, you don't see many Xbox ads as you do playstation, there is very little evidence to suggest that exclusives drive sales.

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We live in the Information Age. People buy what they can play with their friends on.

And Heavens help me, carve this on a stone. . .

In the US, this generation, people chose access to that library of games OVER continuing their online experience that they had with their 360s.

So you can huff.

You can puff.

And you can try to blow the house down.

But nothing will ever change the fact that games and gameplay will have more pull than brand power. The console with the most games wins every generation as a rather self-fulfilling prophecy. The fact that people try to even argue with me on this point is effing hysterical. Yet, here we are.

@Shewgenja: People buy what they can play with their friends on.

Between GTA and Uncharted which games do you think has a higher multiplayer online count? think very VERY carefully about that.

Sorry, you just believe exclusives mean something, when they evidently don't mean much. And yes brand power actually means something and there is plenty of peer reviewed economic research that support this, its not just the console market but other industries like smartphones and cars, its the fact that you just want people to submit to your baseless notion that is hysterical.

Uncharted had sold 8+ million by the end of last year. I guess then any game that sells that or less doesn't mean anything then? You realize you're saying that 95% of the games out there are irrelevant? I guess you only play GTA and COD then. Lame...

@pinkanimal: Uncharted 4 is literally the only exception to the rule, every other exclusives averaged out at 1 million, Uncharted 4 only came out this year mind you, I guarantee that numbers next year will be less than 1 million, quote me on it if you so wish but that is pretty much the fate of every exclusive, they show up only once in a top 10 chart and after that you never see them again, mean while COD and FIFA get on the charts every month.

I guess you only play GTA and COD then. Lame...

Whats lame is your stupidity. I don't play those games, people who own a PS4 plays those games more than their exclusives, any halfwit who looks at the numbers can figure that out.

Uncharted 4 released may of last year. You don't even know on what year you are and you pretend to know what you're talking about lol.

Still your reasoning is dumb. If games like COD and GTA are all that matter because they sell so much then 99% of the multiplats out there don't matter either since they don't sell as well. In fact there are multiplats which never sell as well as most PS4 exclusives. Your reasoning is stupid. Of course most games don't sell as much as those popular ones but they do sell and each of those sales is a new person that is interested on the system that game is on and will choose it over other system where the game is not on. The amount of cumulative sales of exclusive games as a whole is quite significant.

OK then the game is a year old, so what? what difference did that make? multiplats still outsell exclusives by a large margin and AGAIN, Uncharted 4 is the exception to the rule, you know I find it funny how you seem to be stuck at that one game and using that as a bases for your argument, have you actually looked at the numbers of exclusives and multi-plats and did an overall comparison? its not that hard, just look at the top 5 sold exclusives and the top 5 sold multiplats on PS4.

And why should I even care about other multiplats when the few ones that sold so much already have proven my point? do you honestly expect to samples every SINGLE game out there? look unless you actually do some research instead to prove me wrong I'm not gonna bother, if you think Knack and Last of Us are systems sellers then feel free to be an idiot.

Fact is multiplats outsell exclusives by a large margin, again FIFA, COD, GTA numbers range around the 10 million while exclusives range around the 1 million (AGAIN, with Uncharted 4 being the ONLY ONLY ONLY game to reach 8 million plus and is very unlikely to go above 10 million by the end of the PS4s life span), and to top it off multiplats out number exclusives by a very large margin as well. Exclusives really don't mean as much as you think they do.

The 5% games that you can only access on a PS4 as opposed to Xbox 1 don't factor as much in comparison to the fact that the Xbox 1 is a console that is less capable than a PS4 for equivalent price, and that the Xbox 1 X is a console that is $100 more than the PS4 Pro, those have an actual larger impact on console sales than the exclusives, the role of exclusives has shifted to a minimal one, especially when factoring in that they tend to stay temporary and wind up on other platforms later down the line.

@Dark_sageX: "a few multiplats still outsell some exclusives by a large margin and some exclusives outsell some multiplats by a large margin"

Fixed. You haven't proven a thing

The problem imo has always been that there isn't a single thing that matters in seeking evidence for what you Shew are pointing to. Xbox isn't in third place in its own country. The Switch has not overtaken it here. It outsold it on NPD monthly tallies. That was clever use of wording by you.

I don't claim exclusives DONT matter but lets not pretend they are the be all end all when it comes to console sales. When yearly the top selling games aren't exclusives even on single platform basis. You're simplifying and making a consumer market out to seem like they all know what is and isn't exclusive to each platform. Its just as absurd a proposition as the "exclusives don't matter" one is.

At gamestop last week, while talking to my buddy that is manager there, I was interrupted by two separate people that didn't know that Star Wars Battlefront 2 was not exclusive. My friend Jeremy then proceeded to tell me how majority of shoppers there have no clue what is exclusive or not to their preferred console. Most buy what is the popular choice. PS has always been with the exception of last gen. Big deal.

Exclusives are great for list wars and little else, exclusive titles that really shift systems are few and far between these days.

since we love lists, exclusive titles that actually shift units, as in IP's that have shifted at least 20 millions units and are still releasing somewhat regularly.

Mario

Pokemon

Zelda

Halo

uncharted

gears of war

god of war

Well said.

@Shewgenja: So... this is your third post about how the Playstation platform is more viable than the Xbox platform?

The X1X must really make you butthurt.

Still playing at >30 fps. "Drops mic"...

We're in System Wars. The Sunshine and Puppies for Xbox forum is that way

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Exclusives don't matter. Anyone who says otherwise is a complete fanboy idiot, particularly COWS, just like the TC. It's the reason why i've always disassociate from this rabid fanbase completely, or any fanbase.

As a single console owner, I have everything to play on my PS4. Minus the few exclusives. I'm no JRPG fan and I ignore them on the PS4. I don't like some WRPGs either. Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 are examples. A vast majority of my PS4 games are multiplatform games.

See if you were consistent like this sexual tyrannosaur right here you could keep the same honest opinion and never change.

Between two consoles with similar libraries, exclusives matter because they are the only thing that truly distinguish the two.

Between two consoles with vastly different consoles, not so much. The library matters overall. The only reason this is different is because the multiplats tend to be shared in the case above so they are neither here nor there.

Let's make it obvious.

PS and Xbox tend to share all multiplats, so the exclusives matter. They have, say 500 games, (not counted, not important) and say 50 exclusives each. The 50 exclusives matter.

Throw in "Chintendo" and all of a sudden, the exclusives dont matter because Chintendo Vii doesn't get them, so it's the overall library. The fact that Chintendo has 75 exclusive games and no multiplats doesn't make it a better console: the others have 500 games that you can't get on Chintendo, so you compare the 500 to the 75 and you be honest about it.

Lol I'm so clever. Why haven't I been knighted?

@DocSanchez: I thought the problem with Nintendo was that they didn't get the multi platform games.

While I understand the concept of making funny nicknames but they are typically derived from some sort of meaning behind them. What exactly is "Chintendo" suppose to mean?

@Archangel3371: it was a real knock off console.

@DocSanchez: So it's suppose to be a knock off the chin then? Eh, I still don't get it. Oh well.

Also what about the part about Nintendo and exclusives because I really don't see how they are lacking in that department and thought that it was always about them not having the multi platform games that was the problem.

@DocSanchez: Exclusives don't mean a thing if their market is below niche. Its the popular mainstream games that get the attention, not the few games, if you are surrounded by friends who love FIFA would you really care if the PS4 has Persona 5? would you even know that game existed for that matter? exclusives play a very minimal role this gen, just look at the number of multiplats sold vs exclusives sold on a single platform.

The definitive influential factor is the price of the console, Xbox One costs more than a PS4, of course any regular consumer (which make up the vast majority of console owners) will pick the PS4, thats why they lost the first round, not because PS4 has more exclusives, plus Sony is handling marketing way better than MS, you see Playstation ads and sponsorships WAY more than Xbox.

As for the argument of library of games then unfortunately the Xbox 1 has the PS4 beat. The PS4 may have more current gen exclusives (most of which are also available on PC and some comprise of remasters of last gen games but whatever...) but the Xbox 1 has backwards compatibility, the list of available games on Xbox 1 in such a case exceeds that of a PS4, heck lets even take this a step further for the fun of it, if library count is what mattered then why even get a console when PC has WAAAY more games than both consoles combined?

PS4 has more exclusives yes but how many people out there do you think care about the likes of Knack, The Last Guardian and The Order, as opposed to Assassin's Creed, GTA or COD? Trust me if the Xbox 1 X was $100 cheaper than the PS4 Pro, the exclusives won't mean a damn thing.

I dont know what there isnt to get.

Some Chinese company called themselves Chintendo and released a console called Vii.

Here, it wasn't my name. I used it so people wouldn't get hung up over me using Nintendo and to take emotion out of it.

I have no idea what the rest of your post is about. You clearly haven't read mine. It is the complete opposite of what I was getting at. I was saying that if a library doesnt get the multi platform games of the others, you can't boast about your exclusives in isolation. You have to compare the library in full. My post hinged on the fact that for the past few gens all Nintendo had was exclusives. Which is fine - but it means it's entirely useless boasting about the number they got when they missed out on all the big multi platform games.

I don't know who you are arguing with but it sure as hell isn't me.

1. I didn't mention the quality or lack thereof of exclusives, it was irrelevant to my argument, and nothing you said addressed any of my points as I didn't talk up or talk down the importance or unimportance of exclusives. I only put into perspectives what they mean in the context of an argument about libraries.

2. I couldn't give a toss about the xbox one vs ps4 argument, there's little in it, so why tell me about it? Nothing to do with this argument. Unfortunately? What do you think I am, Mr Sony? I play on PC mostly, I've owned Sony, I've owned Microsoft, Nintendo, Sega, Atari, SNK, Sinclair, MB, believe me, you can find someone else to have that argument with.

3. Price is nothing to do with this argument at all either.

Exclusives definitely have a factor, so does price, as well as community, features, whats in the box and brand strength as well as a few other things....

My console purchase was based on exclusives and convenience but if I had my way I'd still be playing on the PC.

It was PS4PRO vs SCORPIO......at the time I needed to play some games and I didn't quite fancy waiting for the SCORPIO. Unfortunately E3 (or is it Microsoft) didn't do enough for me to keep waiting and the number of current titles that happened to be exclusives of which I really wanted to play were on the PS4.

I went ahead with Sony. however we never know what'll happen when the X1X is released they may offer something too good to miss.

In the end Exclusives mattered and bagged Sony a "PLAYER"

and so the title of this thread may be somewhat dramatic but has some harsh truths linked to it.

RIP "Exclusives don't matter" 2015-2017

I will say that I felt really bad for the lemmings this gen. They got to witness a lot of their AAA exclusives flop like a fish that's dying on the ground. From Halo to Gears flopping, I don't know how much they can take, Especially if Crackdown 3 flops :(

@DocSanchez: Oh I see. I thought that you had combined chin, as in the chin on someone's face, with Nintendo in some way to poke fun at Nintendo like people do when they say "Xflop" or "PSbore". I had no idea that this was some actual product in China, or I probably did hear about it before but completely forgot about it.

I read your post a couple of times just to make sure but it really did come across that you were implying that people were saying that overall game library was more important regardless of the exclusives vs. multi platform games on Nintendo systems. It just all kind of seemed a bit confusing to me.

I don't even know why the Xbox brand of consoles is still around? It doesn't have enough exclusives to match the PS4 to justify its existence.

@emgesp: Because there are millions of people out there who buy the systems and games for it. Not sure what the actual numbers are but it seems like the Xbox One systems have sold 30 million plus along with the money that Microsoft makes from games that are sold on it, whether they are exclusive or not, and the money made from the Xbox Live service. These numbers and sales are continually climbing by the way. That seems to be a pretty justifiable reason for its existence in my eyes.