Rise of the Tomb Raider XONE exclusivity, well that was pointless wasnt it?

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#1 GhostHawk196
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Rise of the Tomb Raider is quite a good game, the combat is easily one of the very best making it extremely fun, storyline okay but nothing significant, characters average once again nothing significant and lastly graphics are very beautiful but not groundbreaking. All in all it is a decent package but it doesnt sell consoles. Its not like games such as Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3 or Uncharted 4 which easily makes a console worthwhile with just this one game. If Microsoft were to acquire massive titles like The Witcher 3 it'd be a totally different story. I really doubt people would have bought an Xone just to play RoTR especially when the PC version release is not too far away and people will play at more than 1080P with sharper graphics and 60fps...

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To compete with uncharted

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#3  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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Yeah, grabbing bad games for exclusive deals isn't all that smart.

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I'm a satisfied Xbox One gamer, speak for yourself.

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#5  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@lamprey263: But you didn't gain anything. You just got to play it sooner. Waste of resources and didn't really help Xbox at all. No you have no exclusives....

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@ghosts4ever: That was a fail then. Uncharted 4 will sell more in the first week than ROTR has in first 3 months.

And most people just waited. It was almost pointless to the delay the PC version for just 2 months. Reeks of desperation

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@StrongBlackVine: Even if they released it I wouldn't have played it, MGS5 is a 200hr game, fallout 4 is somewhere like that as well and if you haven't finished witcher 3 that'll be another 150hrs.

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#8  Edited By BassMan
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All exclusives are pointless as they should all be on PC. Limiting the potential of a game by making it exclusive to weak ass consoles is pretty lame.

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@lamprey263: But you didn't gain anything. You just got to play it sooner. Waste of resources and didn't really help Xbox at all. No you have no exclusives....

I got to play it and enjoy it while the cow camp has been crying about how it's not an exclusive and still can't play it, fine, call it what you want I like this arrangement, you can pretend a year from now that it never happened

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Yea it was another worthless timed exclusive for MS.

Deals like ROTR are why they are getting destroyed this gen by the PS4. The money they spent on this shitty deal that didn't help the Xbox franchise and almost destroyed TR they could have spent on a true first party exclusive.

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What's the point of SFV pseudoexclusive deal? What's the point of Sony brutally shoving money down indie dev throats and moneyhatting two thirds of Indies these days? So that they could manifest to the world that PHONY <3 TEH INDIEZ?

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#12  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

@lamprey263: But you didn't gain anything. You just got to play it sooner. Waste of resources and didn't really help Xbox at all. No you have no exclusives....

I got to play it and enjoy it while the cow camp has been crying about how it's not an exclusive and still can't play it, fine, call it what you want I like this arrangement, you can pretend a year from now that it never happened

So basically you're a loser and the main type of Xbox fan I can't stand. I hope you enjoyed your pathetic moment because it's all downhill for Xbox One the rest of this generation. I don't have pretend or wait for anything because PS4 has a killer lineup to enjoy in 2016 starting with Street Fighter 5 in two days. Can't say the same for your shitbox though!

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@Salt_The_Fries said:

What's the point of SFV pseudoexclusive deal? What's the point of Sony brutally shoving money down indie dev throats and moneyhatting two thirds of Indies these days? So that they could manifest to the world that PHONY <3 TEH INDIEZ?

SFV is never coming to X1 so there's that. The deal also allows for cross-platform play between PS4 and PC players so the community won't be split. Sony funding also helped the game get made and released this year instead of 2018.

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@StrongBlackVine said:
@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

@lamprey263: But you didn't gain anything. You just got to play it sooner. Waste of resources and didn't really help Xbox at all. No you have no exclusives....

I got to play it and enjoy it while the cow camp has been crying about how it's not an exclusive and still can't play it, fine, call it what you want I like this arrangement, you can pretend a year from now that it never happened

So basically you're a loser and on main type of Xbox fan I can't. I hope you that pathetic moment because it's all downhill for Xbox One the rest of this generation.

Okay, you're either drunk, or broken.

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#15  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:
@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

@lamprey263: But you didn't gain anything. You just got to play it sooner. Waste of resources and didn't really help Xbox at all. No you have no exclusives....

I got to play it and enjoy it while the cow camp has been crying about how it's not an exclusive and still can't play it, fine, call it what you want I like this arrangement, you can pretend a year from now that it never happened

So basically you're a loser and on main type of Xbox fan I can't. I hope you that pathetic moment because it's all downhill for Xbox One the rest of this generation.

Okay, you're either drunk, or broken.

It's called a typo. My point stands. Xbox first party sucks so you lems hope for 3rd party deals to make your console temporarily relevant. Nintendo and Sony fans don't have to do that because those platforms actually own more than one or two decent studios.

Xbox did the same thing last gen with games like Bioshock and Mass Effect to get lems hooked in.

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#16  Edited By Salt_The_Fries
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@StrongBlackVine: Except BioWare was Microsoft's second party and MS fully funded the complete game and not that wool-over-people's eyes released in episodic chunks pretending to be AAA that is Street Fighter V.

Oh so,full on moneyhats are now not only acceptable but AMAZING and NOBLE?

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@lamprey263: ignore him dude, he takes console wars way too seriously. Dude has no chill

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#18  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@Salt_The_Fries: Without moneyhats Xbox would hardly have any exclusives in its entire history so don't go there. We all know their first party is garbage.

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@StrongBlackVine: why do you even care about MS's first party or what exclusives it gets then?

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#20  Edited By Razik
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Yes all third party deals are pointless including timed DLC, missions for games and exclusive Advertisement deals that's why I'm glad Phil is putting a stop to it on Xbox and is going to focus on their own ips and creating new ones

Sure just look how pointless it is Sony now have timed COD DLC and advertisement deals for top games and it did nothing Xbox still sold more even with a smaller installbase

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/top-ten-best-selling-games-in-the-us-for-january-2/1100-6434729/

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@razik said:

Yes it was all third party deals are pointless including timed DLC, missions for games and exclusive Advertisement deals that's why I'm glad Phil is putting a stop to it on Xbox and is going to focus on their own ips and creating new ones

Sure just look how pointless it is Sony now have timed COD DLC and advertisement deals for top games and it did nothing Xbox still sold more even with a smaller installbase

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/top-ten-best-selling-games-in-the-us-for-january-2/1100-6434729/

NPD does not include software sold in bundles. So considering the fact that the Black Op III bundle was the main Sony bundle this month and PS4 won by around 100k I don't see how you can say it didn't make a difference. We we would need to see how much the Xbox One version outsold the PS4 standalone version to make an accurate assessment and I'm betting the PS4 version would win out.

That Star Wars Battlefront bundle was a mega success too. Destiny bundle sold, Batman bundle. Third party marketing deals have been killer for Sony this generation.

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@mems_1224 said:

@StrongBlackVine: why do you even care about MS's first party or what exclusives it gets then?

I don't care about Microsoft's first party and I don't care about their exclusives unless negatively affects me.

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Firstly there is no single game in existence that can justify the price of a console. Would you actually pay £400 for Uncharted 4 plus the additional monthly PS+ fees to play online, if you owned a PS4 already or you would you pay it for a console just to play one game and never be used for anything else? Of course you wouldn't, no truly sane person (at least one with a concept of monetary value) would.

Games can attract people to buy certain consoles but that would with intention of using it for multiple games over several years. There is no reason to believe that RotTR is not one of those. Tomb Raider is a very popular I.P, add that to the fact that the majority of average households do not want and will not spend the money required on PC that can run the game at high resolutions and 60fps+ (it's extremely demanding) it does in fact make the Xbox One an attractive buy, as long as the games already on it (and possibly upcoming) are appealing to them.

I really do wish that people on these boards removed their fanboy glasses, Xbox One games being shared on PC or even full multi-platform, whether that's timed exclusivity or same day release, does not make the slightest difference to average Joe public. The largest seller of consoles, by far, is peer pressure, if little Timmy's mates have PS4's he obviously going to ask Santa to get him a PS4 as well. People are sheep (not just Nintendo fans :p) and they follow the flock, the trick is to get your product into the flock before your competition.

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@StrongBlackVine: so third party deals are only ok when Sony does it? Lol hypocrite

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@StrongBlackVine:

Rainbow Six Seige was sold in a Xbox bundle and sold more

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#26  Edited By mems_1224
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@StrongBlackVine: seems like you do care because you're more worried about what MS does or doesn't have instead of enjoying the console you already own.

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@razik said:

@StrongBlackVine:

Rainbow Six Seige was sold in a Xbox bundle and sold more

Nobody bought an X1 in January so bundle sales wouldn't make a difference anyway. Software also sells much more on PS4 overall because PS4 is actually popular worldwide. Sony doesn't make these deals with a single country in mind.

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@razik said:

@StrongBlackVine:

Rainbow Six Seige was sold in a Xbox bundle and sold more

Microsoft didn't have an official Rainbox Six Seige bundle in the US so what are you talking about?

And I just said I believe the PS4 version would lead with the bundled software included, not that it was guaranteed. Xbox is a shooter box so I'm not surprised when a shooter does well on there.

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#29  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@mems_1224: I have only cared about one deal Microsoft made this generation and that was Rise Of Tomb Raider. I would been bothered the Mass Effect deal if EA had not rejected them. It's just better for the industry if Xbox trails because they bring almost nothing to table software wise internally. At this point Xbox division should have a stable of AAA studios, but they are still scraping by trying to make deals 15 years in.

And it is human nature not be bothered my something doesn't negatively affect you personally so no I'm not upset about the Street Fighter 5 deal. I'm certainly not praising Sony for it either like Xbox fans do for moneyhats. I'm also not actively enjoying the fact that Xbox One owners don't get to play it like the clown that posted earlier.

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#30 mems_1224
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@StrongBlackVine: ok, just making sure you're aware you're a sad hypocrite. Carry on.

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Basically it was pointless to release it right in front of Fallout 4, the most hype RPG game [besides Witcher 3] game of 2015. MS biggest mistake was releasing Rise of the Tomb Raider on the same day as Fallout 4 which by the way cause me to not buy it on Xbox One cause Fallout 4 was gonna take me way longer for me to finish but when I heard the PC version was gonna release sooner then later, it made sense for me to wait for PC so I guess it help on my part but still, I wouldn't mind getting it on Xbox One if MS were smart enough to release the game earlier so it won't have to compete with Fallout 4.

Square Enix needed the Money from MS, so I ain't mad.

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@mems_1224 said:

@StrongBlackVine: ok, just making sure you're aware you're a sad hypocrite. Carry on.

How does that make me a hypocrite? What would make me impartial...refusing to buy the game? Actively feeling guilty about playing it?

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#33  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@davillain- said:

Basically it was pointless to release it right in front of Fallout 4, the most hype RPG game [besides Witcher 3] game of 2015. MS biggest mistake was releasing Rise of the Tomb Raider on the same day as Fallout 4 which by the way cause me to not buy it on Xbox One cause Fallout 4 was gonna take me way longer for me to finish but when I heard the PC version was gonna release sooner then later, it made sense for me to wait for PC so I guess it help on my part but still, I wouldn't mind getting it on Xbox One if MS were smart enough to release the game earlier so it won't have to compete with Fallout 4.

Square Enix needed the Money from MS, so I ain't mad.

Square Enix didn't need the money. They just took it.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@razik said:

@StrongBlackVine:

Rainbow Six Seige was sold in a Xbox bundle and sold more

Nobody bought an X1 in January so bundle sales wouldn't make a difference anyway. Software also sells much more on PS4 overall because PS4 is actually popular worldwide. Sony doesn't make these deals with a single country in mind.

US is one of few places Xbox is actually competitive so of course those are the only stats lems will use. COD obviously sold millions more on PS4 worldwide.

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#35  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@StrongBlackVine said:

Square Enix didn't need the money. They just took it.

Sure they took it, but did they really need it? From what I remember, SE call for MS help and they just made a deal with a timely exclusive but I do agree that timely exclusive are stupid and MS found out the hard way now. Sometimes it best to test out the waters before doing it again.

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#36 StrongBlackVine
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@davillain- said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

Square Enix didn't need the money. They just took it.

Sure they took it, but did they really need it? From what I remember, SE call for MS help and they just made a deal with a timely exclusive but I do agree that timely exclusive are stupid and MS found out the hard way now. Sometimes it best to test out the waters before doing it again.

As far as I know there is no confirmation on who initiated the deal, but from what I've read Xbox went shopping for major 3rd party games and Square Enix was the only one to bite(thankfully EA turned them down for Mass Effect Andromeda). There was leaked document that showed the SE was toying with idea of farming out their Western IPs so they were probably more receptive than other publishers.

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@BassMan said:

All exclusives are pointless as they should all be on PC. Limiting the potential of a game by making it exclusive to weak ass consoles is pretty lame.

Why do PC gamers whine about console games? A company has the right to create games for their products. Deal with it.

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Pointless? Hell no! That game supplied months of cows running around and crying like little bitches. Great times.

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@Salt_The_Fries said:

@StrongBlackVine: Except BioWare was Microsoft's second party and MS fully funded the complete game and not that wool-over-people's eyes released in episodic chunks pretending to be AAA that is Street Fighter V.

Oh so,full on moneyhats are now not only acceptable but AMAZING and NOBLE?

Episodic chunks?

Good lord you people can be ignorant if the game doesn't hit your fav console.

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#40  Edited By lamprey263
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@StrongBlackVine said:
@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

So basically you're a loser and on main type of Xbox fan I can't. I hope you that pathetic moment because it's all downhill for Xbox One the rest of this generation.

Okay, you're either drunk, or broken.

It's called a typo. My point stands. Xbox first party sucks so you lems hope for 3rd party deals to make your console temporarily relevant. Nintendo and Sony fans don't have to do that because those platforms actually own more than one or two decent studios.

Xbox did the same thing last gen with games like Bioshock and Mass Effect to get lems hooked in.

Good for them. Nintendo actually did something with their studios. What's Sony's excuse?

And, be that it may, MS relies on 3rd party deals more than 1st party, doesn't change the circumstance that the Xbox One actually has for the last couple years been able to deliver a respectable flow of console exclusive titles that just aren't on the PS4, titles that interest me quite a bit and that I'd very much would like to play. As a console gamer, I'm gonna get an Xbox One to play them. Cows like yourself use the tortured logic that if games are on PC then the console must not be worth owning, yet there you are with a PS4 with many of the best games being on PC too. And, sure I have my strong console preferences, but I've actually hedged my bet by picking up a Wii U and PS4, as I try not to limit myself and get a chance to play whatever I want to play regardless of what system it's on.

And yet you still act like MS won't continue to bring games to its XBO library that won't be on PS4, which simply isn't true at all. Sure, many will be produced by 3rd parties, just like you said, and some will probably be released on PC too; heck, some might eventually end up on PS4 in a year or few. But that doesn't concern me. Only people making a big deal about that are cows. Cows that aren't content that their console has a sizable lead in this console generation. You guys take such issue with what we value is worth owning the system for (and it's quite obvious why) because you haven't been too satisfied with Sony's console exclusive line-up to date. It's always been about what's the horizon with you guys, a horizon that seems perpetually just out of reach, you're like thirsty gamers wondering through an unbearably dry forbidden land, walking toward a mirage that promises to quench your thirst for games but is always just in front of you yet never getting any closer.

Hey, I'm not going to lie, PS4 line-up for 2016 looks dope (that's why I got one), but it's been a lengthy waiting game for Sony supporters to get to those great exclusive Sony games they've been promised, and that wait still isn't over. It made good sense to me that until that day, I'm gonna play what's available now that strikes my fancy. That's about as simple as things should be for gamers. You have a problem with that, and that's on you. Instead of getting in a heated discussion about it, you're probably better off retreating to you NeoGAF safe space to engage in the typical pro-Sony anti-MS circle jerking.

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Its basically another gen of Halo/Gears/Forza for people that own a gaming PC along with an xbox one (Since all the other "exclusives" can be played on the PC).

i also pity the poor people that only have an xbox one this gen like lamprey and salt_the_fries and have no choice but to play inferior versions of games on a potato.

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#42 BigBadBully
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I didn't mind the deal as I was on the receiving end of having the game last year on Xbox One. I would say it's pretty sweet game and glad MS brought it to Xbox One first. Being a console only gamer MS has secured some nice games that you can't find on the PS4, which is a huge reason I went with Xbox One this gen.

So I don't feel as if they wasted money or resources (not my money), and more great titles ahead like Scalebound, Quantum Break, Sea of Thieves, Recore, Gears 4, Crackdown 3 and Fable Legends. DEF. not hurting when blockbuster games with variety are on the horizon. Finally with PC coming into the fold, we just might see a lot more games and variety open up on xbox one as we're currently seeing.

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#43  Edited By Legend002
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Xbox is a console without exclusives. They paid to feel good for a month or two pretending to have one.

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#44 naughtyottsel
Member since 2016 • 1801 Posts

However yeah it was entirely pointless, at least with SFV it added beneficial things like cross play and shit but with this it didn't add ANYTHING to the finished game.

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#45 mems_1224
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@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:
@lamprey263 said:
@StrongBlackVine said:

So basically you're a loser and on main type of Xbox fan I can't. I hope you that pathetic moment because it's all downhill for Xbox One the rest of this generation.

Okay, you're either drunk, or broken.

It's called a typo. My point stands. Xbox first party sucks so you lems hope for 3rd party deals to make your console temporarily relevant. Nintendo and Sony fans don't have to do that because those platforms actually own more than one or two decent studios.

Xbox did the same thing last gen with games like Bioshock and Mass Effect to get lems hooked in.

Good for them. Nintendo actually did something with their studios. What's Sony's excuse?

And, be that it may, MS relies on 3rd party deals more than 1st party, doesn't change the circumstance that the Xbox One actually has for the last couple years been able to deliver a respectable flow of console exclusive titles that just aren't on the PS4, titles that interest me quite a bit and that I'd very much would like to play. As a console gamer, I'm gonna get an Xbox One to play them. Cows like yourself use the tortured logic that if games are on PC then the console must not be worth owning, yet there you are with a PS4 with many of the best games being on PC too. And, sure I have my strong console preferences, but I've actually hedged my bet by picking up a Wii U and PS4, as I try not to limit myself and get a chance to play whatever I want to play regardless of what system it's on.

And yet you still act like MS won't continue to bring games to its XBO library that won't be on PS4, which simply isn't true at all. Sure, many will be produced by 3rd parties, just like you said, and some will probably be released on PC too; heck, some might eventually end up on PS4 in a year or few. But that doesn't concern me. Only people making a big deal about that are cows. Cows that aren't content that their console has a sizable lead in this console generation. You guys take such issue with what we value is worth owning the system for (and it's quite obvious why) because you haven't been too satisfied with Sony's console exclusive line-up to date. It's always been about what's the horizon with you guys, a horizon that seems perpetually just out of reach, you're like thirsty gamers wondering through an unbearably dry forbidden land, walking toward a mirage that promises to quench your thirst for games but is always just in front of you yet never getting any closer.

Hey, I'm not going to lie, PS4 line-up for 2016 looks dope (that's why I got one), but it's been a lengthy waiting game for Sony supporters to get to those great exclusive Sony games they've been promised, and that wait still isn't over. It made good sense to me that until that day, I'm gonna play what's available now that strikes my fancy. That's about as simple as things should be for gamers. You have a problem with that, and that's on you. Instead of getting in a heated discussion about it, you're probably better off retreating to you NeoGAF safe space to engage in the typical pro-Sony anti-MS circle jerking.

think we found the post of the year guys. God damn thats some good ether right there

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#46 lamprey263
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@mems_1224: =D thanks

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#47  Edited By deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@StrongBlackVine:

Calling someone a loser cause they got to play a game before you lol. Fanboys and there logic and taking things way to seriously huh.

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#48 NathanDrakeSwag
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Lem circle jerk^

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#49 freedomfreak
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Brought salt to the table, that's for sure.

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#50 StrongBlackVine
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@BigShotSmoov007: You have poor reading comprehension skills. I called him a loser because he said he enjoyed the fact that others had to wait to play it. That's petty and lame.