RROD inflated sales numbers for XBOX 360: FACT.

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

Headpopper333

It`s not that great to assume RROD inflated the 360`s sales.We have no proof and without proof yourtheory to the360`s inflated salesis weak and has to be thrown out of the window.

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

Headpopper333

[QUOTE="Headpopper333"]

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

R3FURBISHED

No, YOU DON'T. If a system brakes because it's garbage in the first place, the second and third purchased shouldn't be added to the sales as one shouldn't have to replace broken console after broken console., You sir are a moron.

No, YOU DON'T. If a system brakes because it's garbage in the first place, the second and third purchased shouldn't be added to the sales as one shouldn't have to replace broken console after broken console., You sir are a moron.

Headpopper333

If I sell you something and you decide that you want to buy more than my sales are going up. The reason for you buying more is irrelevant.

YLOD is just as common as RROD on launch PS3's. Blame lead-free solder, crappy heatsinks, bad ventilation and cheap thermal paste for that.

At least Microsoft gave you a 3-year warranty. All you got was a 1 year warranty from Sony.

When you send them your PS3 for repairs, they either reflow it with an infared laser (temporary fix) or send you a refurb they already reflowed. A reflowed console doesn't last long before failing again, but they only give you a 90 day warranty.

If your console fails after those 90 days, you'd have to pay $150 just for them to send you another relowed refurb that will more than likely fail again soon. Most people just ditched the fat PS3's and bought the slim version.

YLOD inflated sales numbers for the PS3 just as much as the 360's.

Seems plausible.

But there's no way of ever proving it.

While I'm sure the RROD problem did happen to increase sales somewhat, I don't think it had that big of a impact, seeing as how most of them would've been fixed by the warrant, not to mention the percentage that flat out gave up on the system. I think it's just a lot of people being irritated due to the success of the 360, and looking for a excuse for the 360's lead on the PS3. It's not that big of a lead and the PS3 may catch up, but both systems have a good size installed base, so I'd say both of them have been a success.

I only bought one 360 and aside from being really loud I never had any problems with it.

And what if 360 didn't RROD? A lot of people I knew didn't buy a 360 because they were worried it would just get RROD. How do you know if 360 never had the RROD fiasco, then those people and others would have bought the 360? It's all kinda speculation at this point, not to mention in the past.

A sale is a sale.

I only bought one 360 and aside from being really loud I never had any problems with it.

And what if 360 didn't RROD? A lot of people I knew didn't buy a 360 because they were worried it would just get RROD. How do you know if 360 never had the RROD fiasco, then those people and others would have bought the 360? It's all kinda speculation at this point, not to mention in the past.

whiskeystrike

A FACT indeed. I don't know anyone who hasn't had at least one RROD 360. I personally am on my 3rd. It's sad really.

YLOD is just as common as RROD on launch PS3's. Blame lead-free solder, crappy heatsinks, bad ventilation and cheap thermal paste for that.

At least Microsoft gave you a 3-year warranty. All you got was a 1 year warranty from Sony.

When you send them your PS3 for repairs, they either reflow it with an infared laser (temporary fix) or send you a refurb they already reflowed. A reflowed console doesn't last long before failing again, but they only give you a 90 day warranty.

If your console fails after those 90 days, you'd have to pay $150 just for them to send you another relowed refurb that will more than likely fail again soon. Most people just ditched the fat PS3's and bought the slim version.

YLOD inflated sales numbers for the PS3 just as much as the 360's.

Tikeio

Until Sony and Nintendo can consistently sell more software than the XBox360, the point is rather moot. Even if people are buying more than one unit, the clear distinguishing factor this generation is that Microsoft got an early lead with the hardcore gamers who in turn buy the most software. The tables might turn, but in a year or two, will it matter?

That being said, I think Microsoft is going to have a very difficult time talking gamers into buying another one of their systems early on. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if MS releases the 720 a year after the competition this time around as there will be little or no big bubble effect for them this time around.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"][QUOTE="Headpopper333"]

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

Headpopper333

No, YOU DON'T. If a system brakes because it's garbage in the first place, the second and third purchased shouldn't be added to the sales as one shouldn't have to replace broken console after broken console., You sir are a moron.

Logic fail.

Why shouldn't have been added as a sale? Money was exchanged and Microsoft got payed.

It shouldn't be added as part of the install base. But that's not what you seem to be talking about.

True, some people think that because the xbox has sold 57 million units, that the install base is 57 million.

Obviously it isn't. It's some (unkown) number below that. My guess is in the high forties WORLD wide and maybe 20 million in the US.

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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"] I don't think you understand what you are talking about. It doesn't matter if one person has bought 100 360s or just one, Microsoft still sold a console.Kinthalis

No, YOU DON'T. If a system brakes because it's garbage in the first place, the second and third purchased shouldn't be added to the sales as one shouldn't have to replace broken console after broken console., You sir are a moron.

Logic fail.

Why shouldn't have been added as a sale? Money was exchanged and Microsoft got payed.

It shouldn't be added as part of the install base. But that's not what you seem to be talking about.

True, some people think that because the xbox has sold 57 million units, that the install base is 57 million.

Obviously it isn't. It's some (unkown) number below that. My guess is in the high forties WORLD wide and maybe 20 million in the US.

You think the Xbox has a failure rate of around 30-40%? Personally I think that's a bit too high.

The problem with whole "inflated sales" logic is that you could say that about any number of things.

What if I said, "PS3 saless are inflated by people who bought it as a Blu-Ray player"?

I won't tho because a sale is a sale.

If you want to consder RRoD rebuys then your also going to have to consider people who didn't buy a 360 due to RRoD.

Basically: 360 Sales are 360 sales.

Let's say RROD did inflate sale numbers. So what?

That fact that someone would want to re-buy a console that failed them says a lot about the quality of the console in the first place. The most logical choice is to switch to a PS3 or a Wii but instead gamers chose the 360 again. Cry moar?

The problem with whole "inflated sales" logic is that you could say that about any number of things.

What if I said, "PS3 saless are inflated by people who bought it as a Blu-Ray player"?

I won't tho because a sale is a sale.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Headpopper333"]

No, YOU DON'T. If a system brakes because it's garbage in the first place, the second and third purchased shouldn't be added to the sales as one shouldn't have to replace broken console after broken console., You sir are a moron.

rpgs_shall_rule

Logic fail.

Why shouldn't have been added as a sale? Money was exchanged and Microsoft got payed.

It shouldn't be added as part of the install base. But that's not what you seem to be talking about.

True, some people think that because the xbox has sold 57 million units, that the install base is 57 million.

Obviously it isn't. It's some (unkown) number below that. My guess is in the high forties WORLD wide and maybe 20 million in the US.

You think the Xbox has a failure rate of around 30-40%? Personally I think that's a bit too high.

No, I'm talkimg about instlal base here, again.

There are people who purchased the console and it now sits in their closet, there are people for whom it broke and never bothered to pick up a new one, there are people for whom it broke and they picked up a new one, maybe once, maybe more times than that, there are people who just decided to "upgrade" ot a slim xbox, or to one with a hard drive.

There are many reasons why multiple sales can actually represent a lower number of available units that someone is buying games for (or even none).

If a system brakesHeadpopper333

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

Headpopper333

Yeah, I think if we only included original purchases then the 360 would be behind PS3 in sales. Out of 4 people i know who own a 360, 3 of them had to buy a new one and one of those three had to buy a second new one. The one who hasn't replaced his 360 bought it after the problem got fixed.

[QUOTE="Headpopper333"]

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

R3FURBISHED

The problem with whole "inflated sales" logic is that you could say that about any number of things.

What if I said, "PS3 saless are inflated by people who bought it as a Blu-Ray player"?

I won't tho because a sale is a sale.

GreySeal9

I personally have never seen much the logic in this argument. How is a system that broke and had to be rebought comparable to a system that was bought and is being used?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The problem with whole "inflated sales" logic is that you could say that about any number of things.

What if I said, "PS3 saless are inflated by people who bought it as a Blu-Ray player"?

I won't tho because a sale is a sale.

arad96

I personally have never seen much the logic in this argument. How is a system that broke and had to be rebought comparable to a system that was bought and is being used?

Let's say RROD did inflate sale numbers. So what?

Blue-Sky

It would make cows feel less butthurt about 3rd place.

I'd have to agree that the Xbox 360 sales are without a doubt higher because of hardware failure than it would have been had it not been so massively defective. Really all that could possibly mean is one outsold the other but who cares? It's not like either of them at this point are going anywhere. Still I don't understand why people who own the darn thing go out of there way to defend it so much it's like their some mental patients that's are in some strange form of denial. It was a clearly a defective product and Microsoft really should have been made accountable for it in some way instead they were rewarded.

This applies to all consoles.

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

Headpopper333

Was I mistaken that we just celebrated New Years? I thought this was 2012, not 2006 :?

Anybody with logic knows that the first resort would be to use the FREE warranty to repair the damaged 360 before going to buy a new one with cash. Just why would anyone spend on another console when the 3 year warranty (which was also retroactive to older systems) let them get a repair without spending money? You should learn to actually apply logic before talking about.

I can't tell if TC is just a troll or a Sony fanboy who's trying to using year(s) old arguements against the 360. Either way, it's entertaining to say the least.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The problem with whole "inflated sales" logic is that you could say that about any number of things.

What if I said, "PS3 saless are inflated by people who bought it as a Blu-Ray player"?

I won't tho because a sale is a sale.

arad96

I personally have never seen much the logic in this argument. How is a system that broke and had to be rebought comparable to a system that was bought and is being used?

What I am saying is regardless of why a person buys something, that it still a sale and it still counts. If one used a re-buy as a reason to discount a sale, there's no reason why somebody else can't set their own abritrary conditions such as a system being used as a Blu-Ray player.

YLOD is just as common as RROD on launch PS3's. Blame lead-free solder, crappy heatsinks, bad ventilation and cheap thermal paste for that.

At least Microsoft gave you a 3-year warranty. All you got was a 1 year warranty from Sony.

When you send them your PS3 for repairs, they either reflow it with an infared laser (temporary fix) or send you a refurb they already reflowed. A reflowed console doesn't last long before failing again, but they only give you a 90 day warranty.

If your console fails after those 90 days, you'd have to pay $150 just for them to send you another relowed refurb that will more than likely fail again soon. Most people just ditched the fat PS3's and bought the slim version.

YLOD inflated sales numbers for the PS3 just as much as the 360's.

Tikeio

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

Headpopper333

I only bought one 360 and aside from being really loud I never had any problems with it.

And what if 360 didn't RROD? A lot of people I knew didn't buy a 360 because they were worried it would just get RROD. How do you know if 360 never had the RROD fiasco, then those people and others would have bought the 360? It's all kinda speculation at this point, not to mention in the past.

whiskeystrike

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Logic fail.

Why shouldn't have been added as a sale? Money was exchanged and Microsoft got payed.

It shouldn't be added as part of the install base. But that's not what you seem to be talking about.

True, some people think that because the xbox has sold 57 million units, that the install base is 57 million.

Obviously it isn't. It's some (unkown) number below that. My guess is in the high forties WORLD wide and maybe 20 million in the US.

Kinthalis

You think the Xbox has a failure rate of around 30-40%? Personally I think that's a bit too high.

No, I'm talkimg about instlal base here, again.

There are people who purchased the console and it now sits in their closet, there are people for whom it broke and never bothered to pick up a new one, there are people for whom it broke and they picked up a new one, maybe once, maybe more times than that, there are people who just decided to "upgrade" ot a slim xbox, or to one with a hard drive.

There are many reasons why multiple sales can actually represent a lower number of available units that someone is buying games for (or even none).

I see. That makes more sense.

[QUOTE="Headpopper333"]

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

AdobeArtist

Was I mistaken that we just celebrated New Years? I thought this was 2012, not 2006 :?

Anybody with logic knows that the first resort would be to use the FREE warranty to repair the damaged 360 before going to buy a new one with cash. Just why would anyone spend on another console when the 3 year warranty (which was also retroactive to older systems) let them get a repair without spending money? You should learn to actually apply logic before talking about.

[QUOTE="Headpopper333"]

It's sad really when some people have gone through as many as six consoles. I have never had a problem with any of mine but I guess I got lucky. How can sales figures for 360 be accurate or more importantly, taken seriously? I guess a kid who loves it will disagree, but anyone with any logic knows that 360 had major problems and it cost M$ in excess of a billion dollars to fix the problem. How can we ever know the true sales of 360? We all know Sony and Nintendo haven't sold six consoles to the same customer. And, to the morons that keep going back, how does it feel taking it up the tail pipe? Just wondering...

super600

It`s not that great to assume RROD inflated the 360`s sales.We have no proof and without proof yourtheory to the360`s inflated salesis weak and has to be thrown out of the window.

lol who gives a f***? mems_1224