RRoD Is Unacceptable.

[QUOTE="Speedy454545"]

Microsoft are fixing the problem, the failure rate on the newer models is down to 5% I believe, and I hear they are working on a new 45nm chip.

Okay so what, the 360 may break down a lot, its still a better console than the PS3 regardless.

Al3x_n90

360=better? in terms of performance:dont think so.

in terms of everything else, yes

Dang............as if it wasn't bad enough that all the 360 had was shooters.coolpixel

at least 360 has games :|

at least 360 has gamesRogers_Wireless

Games are actually a lot less fun to play when you don't have a functional console.

Conversely, with other systems, the game library may not be as impressive, but the owners can enjoy them without fear of console breakdown or worse, the console scratching the games.

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

its not like this is the first system with problems

and whats worse rrod or your system catching fire and possibly burning your house down?

its not like this is the first system with problems

and whats worse rrod or your system catching fire and possibly burning your house down?

mlbslugger86

RROD.

You can sue the manufacturer after a fire.

You can only stew quietly (and gamelessly) after a RROD.

I'm just going to say it, just flat out;

I haven't had a problem with mine, I'm having one of the best gaming experiences of my life with the 360, and I really don't give a rat's ass.

Verge_6

I couldn't agree with you more. I had to replace my console already for an unrelated RROD issue, but in my opinion the 360 so far has been the best gaming I have had ever! The grpahics are awesome, and LIVE is hands down amazing. I own all three consoles and hardly play PS3 or Wii and couldn't care. I have no desire to play PS3 and when I do I'm bored and miss having access to LIVE and getting achievements, to the point where I turn my PS3 off in the middle of an uncompleted game and go and play a 360 game I have beaten four times over already. Simply put I haven't even turned my PS3 on in over three weeks whereas my 360 is on almost EVERYDAY! I almost regret getting a PS3 and feel like I wasted over a grand on it since I NEVER use it.

PS3 is a waste to me and does NOTHING better then the 360 already does. Alas though I never owuld have known unless I owned and used both and for the error of my ways I learned the hardway :(

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

long_dong_goo

ACTUALLY what's unacceptable is PS3. It's a front for Sony to force their Blu-Ray onto the market and a poor excuse for a console. A year in and htey haven't delievered on ANYTHING. They still haven't gotten as much as online ocntent as the marketplace, or the features LIVE offers and the library compared is horrible.

Now before cows start flapping hteir gums about 360 having a year lead and this and that there's no excuse since Sony should have had all these pieces in place and able to be dleievered without waiting. HOME is still a dream whereas it SHOULD have been here by now, key features ofr the online community are still NOWHERE to be found. Sony comes out with all these useless firmware updates that do NOTHING to improve the piss poor excuse they call PSN. If Sony and the PS3 are the be all end all of gaming consoles then why the hell are they lacking in EVERY aspect other then HD dvd playback? To me Blu-Ray is waste and actually hurt Sony's PS3 more then helped it.

I like it when people talk about taking care of the system is the issue. I'm very anal retentive about taking care of eletronics especially ones I know have issues. It has nothing to do with the care, although I'm sure care, or lack there of, can speed up the process. It doesn't matter how much space you give it, the cool area you keep around it, the filtering/removal of dust that you strive to do.

Not one of those things fixes the damn hardware issue each one comes built with. You can care all you want, but it won't fix actual design issues. That fact that I've dealt with it twice is a complete joke, made only worse by the simple fact that even when I get it back again (whether I try to trade it in for a new one or take the already "fixed" refurb) I'll still need to worry about it breaking again, b/c they haven't fixed their piss poor design.

The RRoD is unacceptable, and their current "fix" for it is a smack in the face. MS might have a damn good library under their belt, but with this mentality of how they treat their user base... I hope they lose to Sony and Nintendo. :evil:

-RPGamer-

This was well put and clearly points out the issue this problem represents. Sony learned last gen how bad the user reaction for cruddy harware can be. It is sad that the public and 360 owners haven't made more of a point of letting M$ know they aren't happy. Unless of course y'all don't mind that M$ doesn't care they knowingly brought to market a piece of hardware that was defective.

[QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"]

cows seem to think all 360s suffer from RROD. :|

Just_in

Just like California is going to suffer a big Earthquake.

[QUOTE="long_dong_goo"]

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

thegame1980

ACTUALLY what's unacceptable is PS3. It's a front for Sony to force their Blu-Ray onto the market and a poor excuse for a console. A year in and htey haven't delievered on ANYTHING. They still haven't gotten as much as online ocntent as the marketplace, or the features LIVE offers and the library compared is horrible.

Now before cows start flapping hteir gums about 360 having a year lead and this and that there's no excuse since Sony should have had all these pieces in place and able to be dleievered without waiting. HOME is still a dream whereas it SHOULD have been here by now, key features ofr the online community are still NOWHERE to be found. Sony comes out with all these useless firmware updates that do NOTHING to improve the piss poor excuse they call PSN. If Sony and the PS3 are the be all end all of gaming consoles then why the hell are they lacking in EVERY aspect other then HD dvd playback? To me Blu-Ray is waste and actually hurt Sony's PS3 more then helped it.

Yawn. That's not unacceptable. Sony created a console to play games. Does it? Absolutely. That's all I wanted.

Open game, insert in console, play.

The Wii and the PS3 can both do this consistently.

The supposed "market leader" can't.

Microsoft can trot out all the fancy online network stuff but at the end of the day, their machine isn't stable. Whether it's the RROD, whether it's freezing, whether it's disc reading errors, whether's it's bricking after system updates, you name it, it's happening.

THAT is unacceptable.

[QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"]at least 360 has gameslong_dong_goo

Games are actually a lot less fun to play when you don't have a functional console.

Conversely, with other systems, the game library may not be as impressive, but the owners can enjoy them without fear of console breakdown or worse, the console scratching the games.

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

I guess you never owned a PS2. :|

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]in before "this is the only argument cows got :lol:"Andrew_Xavier

It's, so far, the only real legitimate "argument" of this gen.

Games? Well, compare the Year 1 360 titles with the Year 1 Ps3 titles, you'll be depressed, they are even.

How so? In terms of quality, you could say the 360 had the edge simply by getting some AAAE's. Other than that, it's opinion.

[QUOTE="long_dong_goo"][QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"]at least 360 has gamesPS3_3DO

Games are actually a lot less fun to play when you don't have a functional console.

Conversely, with other systems, the game library may not be as impressive, but the owners can enjoy them without fear of console breakdown or worse, the console scratching the games.

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

I guess you never owned a PS2. :|

You are actually correct.

My Xbox worked absolutely perfectly and I didn't even bat an eye at the PS2. I kept hearing about how great their game library is and eh, I've got a couple of games on my Xbox that hold my attention and it works beautifully. (Admittedly, near the end, it started having the same disc reading errors that plague the current Xbox360, but I can excuse it after putting it through so much abusive game play)

Kind of ironic I find myself in the same boat with different companies this time around.

[QUOTE="long_dong_goo"][QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"]at least 360 has gamesPS3_3DO

Games are actually a lot less fun to play when you don't have a functional console.

Conversely, with other systems, the game library may not be as impressive, but the owners can enjoy them without fear of console breakdown or worse, the console scratching the games.

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

I guess you never owned a PS2. :|

[QUOTE="coolpixel"]Dang............as if it wasn't bad enough that all the 360 had was shooters.Rogers_Wireless

at least 360 has games :|

if you wanna talk about this year, the 360s lineup is looking pretty pathetic. theres fable2 and what else? PS3s getting killzone2, resistance2, MGS4, and little big planet. the PS3 is hardly hurting for games.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

which i dont believe in the least, Ive never had a problem and many people i know whom have one have NEVER had a problem, its simple fact 33% failure rate is a lie, and a good 70% of people posting on forums about it are liars.

the ps2's DRE was just as numerous as the 360 RROD yet no one mentions that as a problem, and it took a class action lawsuit and years before sony started fixing them for free and i dont believe EVER reimbursed any one for having to pay to fix the DRE issues.

MortalDecay

Do you have an actual number to counter than supposedly made up one? And even more is it benficial to your statements to follow one supposedly made up value by another one? Please. :|

I never even stated it was that percentage to begin with.

And why are we talking about the PS2, does that some how make it all better that the Xbox 360 has major issues? No. It's a decent attempt to reflect the damage to another issue, but that's nothing more than sweeping the current issue under the rug.

The point he made about the PS2 is a valid argument.

The PS2 had a problem on the scale of the 360's RROD, maybe even bigger. Did Sony ever extend their warrenty? No.

The fact of the matter is, cows have no room to talk about the 360's problems, as they have been through the exact samething, but they feel they can deny the PSOne, and PS2 issue, and bash the 360 because deep down they want revenge for all of the lemmings who made fun of the countless DRE stories.

Valid to what? Does the PS2 being a faulty system some how make it better that the Xbox 360 is faulty as well? Hell at least it's easy to fix PS2, pop it open and adjust a white gear (along with some cleaning if that was your issue). You can't fix a Xbox 360 that had components warped due to the systems lack of ability to handle heat and it's distribution. :|

Further more if I was a cow, his comments would have made some sense, however, seeing as how I'm not a fanboy his comments were merely a scrabble of random attempts to distract the main issue, which is the Xbox 360's design is horribly flawed.

[QUOTE="long_dong_goo"]

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

thegame1980

ACTUALLY what's unacceptable is PS3. It's a front for Sony to force their Blu-Ray onto the market and a poor excuse for a console. A year in and htey haven't delievered on ANYTHING. They still haven't gotten as much as online ocntent as the marketplace, or the features LIVE offers and the library compared is horrible.

Now before cows start flapping hteir gums about 360 having a year lead and this and that there's no excuse since Sony should have had all these pieces in place and able to be dleievered without waiting. HOME is still a dream whereas it SHOULD have been here by now, key features ofr the online community are still NOWHERE to be found. Sony comes out with all these useless firmware updates that do NOTHING to improve the piss poor excuse they call PSN. If Sony and the PS3 are the be all end all of gaming consoles then why the hell are they lacking in EVERY aspect other then HD dvd playback? To me Blu-Ray is waste and actually hurt Sony's PS3 more then helped it.

Does it not matter to you that the Blue Ray can hold so much memory? Does it not matter to you that on one disk many times the data of a ps2 or X-Box DVD can be stored giving us greater games, longer experiences, and lusher environments? Does it not matter to you that M$ has restricted its developers and gamers to DVD format by not standardizing the bundling a reader that can hold discs that hold more memory? Further, does it not matter to you that M$ has copped out by not making an HHD standard so anyone developing multiplatform games must take into consideration that a hard drive may not be available. I heard all the lemming a year ago whining about the price of the ps3 and how the standard hard drive isn't worth that much, so why didn't M$ make it standard, why must developers consider prodicing for a hardriveless machine that uses a last gen disk format?

And your complaints about the waiting, no, just stop. Complain about how hard it is to develope for the ps3, complain about the design of the machine, but now that it is here, what do you think Sony is doing, sitting on their hands, flushing hundred dollar bills down the toilet? No, they are working on this stuff, and if it isn't out there are reasons. I guarantee you Sony wants to get as many reasons for buying their system out to the public asap. But they don't want to rush stuff so they provide cuddy products, especially for a company known for making quality electronics and that has been dragged through the mud over mistakes such as the DVD problems of the ps2.

And you say that the ps3 is laking in every way save HD compared to the 360. Again, no. The graphics are comparable, despite the fact that 360 developers have an easier time and are developing in a more comfortable and standardized format, the game collections are similar when realesed games are compared to console age. Even so, unless you really want a good new fps, already the two consoles offer nearly identical selections (I will grant Mass Effect and Forza) and most of the games 360 owners are touting didn't come out until the second year of the console. It just so happens that the exclusives offered in the ps3's second year appear to negate whatever 'game' advantage the 360 has.

Oh, and this is the kicker, you're nailing Sony for having a lousy network while pushing Blue Ray on people. Well, what did you expect, they are an electronics company concerned with all their products and all their customers, not just the ps3 and gamers, so it comes as no surprise that Sony is using a popular franchise to win a format war. But how is M$ any different? They didn't push an HD format, true, but they aren't interested in disk HD, they, by their own acclamation are pushing digital download, and it just so happens that what M$ is really good at is what they are interested in, the online network. So why are you blasting Sony for being good at HD, what they are interested in promoting, but not excelling at the network? It isn't like M$ is providing a reasonable HD solution.

Either way, the two consoles have their positives and negatives. I really don't like the idea of risking a defective console, so I'm gonna stick with the ps3 for now. At least Sony has learned that people usually don't like buying broken stuff.

they fix it for free.

Could be worse.

they fix it for free.

Could be worse.

c_smithii

That's true. I do admire their ability to admit a mistake and extend the warranty.

What I would really appreciate is to make their 3 yr warranty inclusive of ALL defects (obviously exclusing items like wear and tear and intentional abuse) and for them to make it an effective repair service.

The horror stories of people returning their units for repair only to be saddled with yet another defective unit is again (to beat the word down) unacceptable.

The only thing worse than screwing up once is screwing up again. The exact same way.

they fix it for free.

Could be worse.

c_smithii

Yeah...or...orrrr...they could have spent some more time developing the console so that it wouldn't come out with the insane hardware failure rate that it did...
and yes, I get it, ps2 had early problems, xbox 1 didn't have to do a massive recall on it's power source in an effort to not...you know...continue burning people's houses down or anything...
So...both major last gen consoles had problems,
difference is, this gen, Sony learned from their last gen mistakes, M$ didn't.

I'd just like to take this time to interject and state that I still have my Original NES action set, SNES, N64, and GC all in top condition. I guess some companies just make better kit eh? Hell, I still got an Oil Panic game and watch that still cranks.householdman

You can bring up the PS2's Disk Read Error, no problems with that. It was a big problem also, I admit this. However, surely the engineers of the Xbox 360 could have taken this as an example of designing the 360 to have no problems? Same as movie remakes - they take what went wrong with a movie, and make it even better. Nitpicking about a previous gen console makes no changs to the topic.Taalon

Exactly. What was unacceptable then is still unacceptable now.

I'm just going to say it, just flat out;

I haven't had a problem with mine, I'm having one of the best gaming experiences of my life with the 360, and I really don't give a rat's ass.

Kinda like my relationship with my PS2, except it actually DID kick the bucket on me multiple times. Yet, I still adored it.

Verge_6

Well, this thread isn't just about your 360, so move on.

Anyways, I agree, it is unacceptable.

[QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"]

[QUOTE="coolpixel"]Dang............as if it wasn't bad enough that all the 360 had was shooters.ninjaxams

at least 360 has games :|

if you wanna talk about this year, the 360s lineup is looking pretty pathetic. theres fable2 and what else? PS3s getting killzone2, resistance2, MGS4, and little big planet. the PS3 is hardly hurting for games.

No! Ratchet and Unreal DON'T count since they are mediocre games. Uncharted is pretty nothing more. I NEVER been as bored as I was with a game then playing the 10 min Uncharted demo I downloaded.

[QUOTE="thegame1980"][QUOTE="long_dong_goo"]

As the TC noted, this is simply unacceptable.

long_dong_goo

ACTUALLY what's unacceptable is PS3. It's a front for Sony to force their Blu-Ray onto the market and a poor excuse for a console. A year in and htey haven't delievered on ANYTHING. They still haven't gotten as much as online ocntent as the marketplace, or the features LIVE offers and the library compared is horrible.

Now before cows start flapping hteir gums about 360 having a year lead and this and that there's no excuse since Sony should have had all these pieces in place and able to be dleievered without waiting. HOME is still a dream whereas it SHOULD have been here by now, key features ofr the online community are still NOWHERE to be found. Sony comes out with all these useless firmware updates that do NOTHING to improve the piss poor excuse they call PSN. If Sony and the PS3 are the be all end all of gaming consoles then why the hell are they lacking in EVERY aspect other then HD dvd playback? To me Blu-Ray is waste and actually hurt Sony's PS3 more then helped it.

Yawn. That's not unacceptable. Sony created a console to play games. Does it? Absolutely. That's all I wanted.

Open game, insert in console, play.

The Wii and the PS3 can both do this consistently.

The supposed "market leader" can't.

Microsoft can trot out all the fancy online network stuff but at the end of the day, their machine isn't stable. Whether it's the RROD, whether it's freezing, whether it's disc reading errors, whether's it's bricking after system updates, you name it, it's happening.

THAT is unacceptable.

I could also name a few titles that were supposed to be the IT games for PS3 too and what happened? I can also name countless price drops because ANY consumer in their right mind knew the PS3 was hardly worth the plastic htey used to build it let alone 600 dollars THUS after what THREE price drops now in less then a year proves the PS3 was a finacial joke and to Sony was nothing more then a way for them to push their useless next gen Blu-Ray format like a REALLY bad dope dealer! The game are worthless thus far and I really wish I hadn't gotten this piece of crap.

My 360 Red Ringed yesterday evening.... I'm pretty miff'd about it.

I'm still clinging to the naive hope that it will fix itself eventually.

I'm just going to say it, just flat out;

I haven't had a problem with mine, I'm having one of the best gaming experiences of my life with the 360, and I really don't give a rat's ass.

Verge_6

Ditto...

My 360 is almost 1 year and 5 months old. Never broke down on me yet. Best console I owned since Sega Genesis.

BUTTT...... The 100% RROD!!!

:lol:

Thank you Captain Obvious, Do you want a cookie?htekemerald

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="Rogers_Wireless"]

[QUOTE="coolpixel"]Dang............as if it wasn't bad enough that all the 360 had was shooters.thegame1980

at least 360 has games :|

if you wanna talk about this year, the 360s lineup is looking pretty pathetic. theres fable2 and what else? PS3s getting killzone2, resistance2, MGS4, and little big planet. the PS3 is hardly hurting for games.

No! Ratchet and Unreal DON'T count since they are mediocre games. Uncharted is pretty nothing more. I NEVER been as bored as I was with a game then playing the 10 min Uncharted demo I downloaded.

Uncharted does suck your lucky you didnt buy the full game,after 1 hour i just put it away with Halo lair and motorstorm,never to be seen again

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]in before "this is the only argument cows got :lol:"OGTiago

It's, so far, the only real legitimate "argument" of this gen.

Games? Well, compare the Year 1 360 titles with the Year 1 Ps3 titles, you'll be depressed, they are even.

How So?

Resistance

Uncharted

Heavenly Sword

Oblivion

Cod3

Cod4

Assassins Creed

Ninja Gaiden Sigma

Ratchet and Clank

Motorstorm

Unreal Tournament 3

Yea, so basically Ps3 first year lineup destroys 360's first year lineup.

I never had RROD and i had my xbox360 20 gig since launch. My friends broke after about 2 years but he travels with it alot. The only problem ive ever had with a console was my old NES i had to blow on the games to make them work.

Your about the 50 billionth person to state this. And what does it change? Nothing.

Buy a gaming PC. There. No need to worry about RROD. They will fix it however.

no problems here

TheOwnerOner

...yet

DRE was not nearly as bad as this problem, quit trying to change the subject. As god as my witness I've seen a lot of 360s at my local UPS store. The guy says some of the people have become regulars.De_Bears

I rarely buy consoles and, when i do, i expect them to work. I personally went through 2 PS2's because of DRE's until i finally just waited for the slim version. Maybe not quite as bad but Sony just gave me the cold shoulder when i tried to get it repaired by them without a fee. MS admitted the problem and remedied it. I give them props for doing that. It was more then Sony did.

[QUOTE="De_Bears"]DRE was not nearly as bad as this problem, quit trying to change the subject. As god as my witness I've seen a lot of 360s at my local UPS store. The guy says some of the people have become regulars.Puckhog04

I rarely buy consoles and, when i do, i expect them to work. I personally went through 2 PS2's because of DRE's until i finally just waited for the slim version. Maybe not quite as bad but Sony just gave me the cold shoulder when i tried to get it repaired by them without a fee. MS admitted the problem and remedied it. I give them props for doing that. It was more then Sony did.

Too bad the cows in this thread can't seem to come to grips with this fact. Kind of like how they continue to fuel similer threads like this over and over again.

I like it when people talk about taking care of the system is the issue. I'm very anal retentive about taking care of eletronics especially ones I know have issues. It has nothing to do with the care, although I'm sure care, or lack there of, can speed up the process. It doesn't matter how much space you give it, the cool area you keep around it, the filtering/removal of dust that you strive to do.

Not one of those things fixes the damn hardware issue each one comes built with. You can care all you want, but it won't fix actual design issues. That fact that I've dealt with it twice is a complete joke, made only worse by the simple fact that even when I get it back again (whether I try to trade it in for a new one or take the already "fixed" refurb) I'll still need to worry about it breaking again, b/c they haven't fixed their piss poor design.

The RRoD is unacceptable, and their current "fix" for it is a smack in the face. MS might have a damn good library under their belt, but with this mentality of how they treat their user base... I hope they lose to Sony and Nintendo. :evil:

-RPGamer-

That's very Disconcerting. But very thought out and very honest.

It's the reason why I haven't burned my wallet on a 360 yet. I really want one and last gen, the Xbox was my favorite platform of the 3. But now, I'm simply finding it difficult to decide on actually buying one.

Wow cows cant say anything else about the 360 but the rrod.I mean thats the only kinda thread you see from them now,"rrod this,rrod that,and rrod is unacceptable".

I mean if you guys dont even own 360s why the hell would you care if the rrod is unacceptable is not,im mean you guys wont buy 360s so what do you care about the rrod for anyways?

Wow cows cant say anything else about the 360 but the rrod.I mean thats the only kinda thread you see from them now,"rrod this,rrod that,and rrod is unacceptable".

I mean if you guys dont even own 360s why the hell would you care if the rrod is unacceptable is not,im mean you guys wont buy 360s so what do you care about the rrod for anyways?

MrPostman4Chi