RTX3080: 10GB VRAM is enough for 4K gaming

@Pedro:

@BassMan: Days Gone was one of my favourite games on Ps4. Must be a great experience at 60fps.

Did you enjoy it too?

Yeah, I give it a 7/10. Very nice world and gameplay, but the mission variety and pacing could use some work. The graphics and sound are top notch. However, there were massive slowdowns when fighting hordes and chaos was happening. Some minor hitching when streaming in new areas. There were long load times in between cut-scenes which is just poor presentation. Too many pop-ups involving story-line progression or unlocks after completing objectives/missions. That was just annoying.

I would have preferred to play it on PC to avoid the slowdowns and play at higher frame rates, but I am happy that the game was mostly 60fps on PS5. A lot better than playing it on last gen hardware at 30fps with slowdowns.

Are people really that hell-bent on playing their games via slideshow?

I mean they’re hell bent on using RT... so yes ?

I can barely lock 30 FPS in cyberpunk with RT, 4K, DLSS

@eoten: lol it seemed like for a month or so after that one tech expo 8K was actually seriously talked about haha.

Someday....

The truth is, consoles duped their customers into the 4K thing before they could get 1080 right. I don't believe they'll have 4K done right before they start slanging that 8K crap.

oh joy, more clowns soapboxing about how 4k is a gimmick.

back to 480i we go.

Less a gimmick, and more something we need to build to, as opposed to following marketing trends. People seem to be wising up to the need for higher refresh rates, as opposed to just upping the resolution.

nope that not true.

that called up-scaled 4k or what ever rez you upscale the content to.

meaning of words on the term native dont change.

Higher refresh just isn't marketable. You can't take a pretty picture of 120hz.

But to be real I think refresh rate just has a specific diminishing return problem compared to resolution. With 4k-8k there isn't much difference at all, but at that point you can up screen size or expand to VR options to keep the race going. Once you hit consistent 120-240hz though, you're basically just done in that department.

See, I don't think it's necessary a matter of progression or advancing technology to lead into higher resolutions. The first issue is that every generation games will get more demanding so while you may be able to drive last gens games at a higher resolution, smoothly, you won't be able to do so on the next gen stuff which will require more and more VRAM to render.

We're already past the point of significantly diminishing returns with resolutions. This isn't like going from 240P to 720P like between the PS2 and PS3 where with larger screens you absolutely could see a very noticeable difference. You need TVs above a certain size to see one between 1080P and 4K, and if you game on a monitor, that 1440P step in the middle requires a comically massive display to see an improvement with 4K.

I just cannot understand why people want to play on low frame rates so bad. Any small improvement they may have gotten from an increase in resolution is immediately off-set by the motion blur that comes from significantly decreasing their frame rates. And it's not just a visual thing but most people can FEEL the lag of 30fps. Every movement of the mouse (or thumbstick) has to wait longer for the next frame to be drawn before the game can register the movement. It makes your cursor move like it's sliding around on ice.

For sure. It's like all the pretty colours you see on the new TVs when in the store. You aren't seeing that at home.

There's gonna be diminishing returns no matter what, but fps has been on a backseat for so long. There's a much smaller market of people who know the difference, as opposed willing to throw money at a bigger TV, and not know anything beyond the resolution.

I've played a lot of games, and done a lot of testing locking frame rates to intervals between 60 and 165 (the highest my monitor goes). After 120hz, I cannot tell the difference. A 240hz monitor is like an 8K monitor. Nothing you have will drive a game to achieve either, nor would you see a difference even if it could.

I think 1440P at 120hz is the maximum resolution and frame rate people will be able to make any actual use of, and if you look at benchmarks for the newest cards, you'll find that with the more recent titles, 120hz can be tough to achieve even at 1440P.

God, once you've been accustomed to high refresh rates, its vomit inducing to go back.

I finally got a 3070 today, and went to use it with my existing 144hz 1080p monitor. Unfortunately the new card had no dvi, only display port, and my old monitor had a busted display port for the last few years, hence why I'm using dvi.

Tried it with hdmi just to make sure the card worked, and it defaults to 60hz, no gsync etc. Almost made me sick.

So I ended up getting a new monitor a bit sooner than planned, and man is it nice to finally be out of 1080p but still have 144hz.

I'm in a dilemma. I know the 3070 can do 1440p easily, but there are some games that will be stuck at 60 FPS. Going to 90 is still a step up on some games at 1080p vs 1440p 60FPS for me, like Control. :(

@eoten: There are a wide range of games available that perform at different levels. 4K with high frame rates is very much viable on less demanding games. For the more demanding games, the resolution can be lowered, DLSS enabled, settings reduced, etc.. Frame rate should always come first. Disregarding 4K is just silly as it looks amazing and should be enjoyed when possible.

By the time I have my parts, i'm looking at a 3080Ti, and I have a f*cking 3080 on my shelf...

Just put the 3080 in your existing rig like I told you before. You could be enjoying it.

waste of time and money.... if 3090 is only on avg 15% faster than 3080, the ti might be only 7% faster than 3080 for $1k or more...... not worth the wait or extra money imo

btw good to great hdr is epic. issue is most tv set and monitor dont come close to it and ones that some what do are ... buying car lvl cost.

Isn't this supposed to get better as well? They might soon implement new compressions for the Nvidia GPUs right?

yeah faster transition from data that's on the HDD/SSD to VRAM. Whereas it now has to go through the CPU first.

It's supposed to make games smaller at least. Some games store their data multiple times, to make games load faster.

Pure guesswork though, even Nvidia said RTX3090 is not a gamer card, it's a professional/titan card branded an RTX card.

Previous Ti's have always been very powerful, so I expect this line to be continued:

- 1080ti

- 2080ti

Hope it works well for true next gen games with 10 GB nvidias.

I don't think they'll have reasonable pricing for a few years though. It seems mining is going nuts again.

yeah that dead and buried.

look at flight sim 2020 ssd version still 150gb.

you want a whole world data... 2 petabyte

old games yes

new games no!

My PS5 does 4K, at much cheaper 😎

rtx 3090 palit brand 1719 euros,enough for playing 4k old games until 2019.

with late fully RT futures , we're waitng for RTX 5090 40GB VRAM

Upfront costs perhaps. But I can find PC games anywhere from 50-60 (no resale though) and console games are now 80 euro and up (though you can resell them).

Also I'll need to pay a subscription to enjoy my games online, which I'm totally not up for.

So I'm sorry but PS4 or Xbox will never be replacing my PC, hahaha

Bold plans, my friend.

Console games are pretty affordable in the US. Physical or digital, they go on sale very quickly. The subscription for online can be purchased for pretty cheap too. I often see PS+ for $30-$35. With that, you get PS+ games and exclusive discounts on games. This month we just got Maneater, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and Greedfall. That's just one month! So in a year, you're looking at minimum 24 games. Also with online, PC community can be very limited. I find that in my experience, unless it's a really popular game, community dies out pretty quickly. Console community tends to be bigger. You also have to worry less about cheating.

I have an aging PC. So basically, If I were to upgrade, I'm pretty much going to get a new PC altogether. It's already been 5 years since I bought the last one. So I'm looking at $1500-$2000 if I want to get the best experience, something that will be much better than PS5. And on top of that, I have to buy games digitally, no hopes of recouping anything. So for me, PC is way more expensive!

@lundy86_4: why aren't you using it?

I would pass up on the 240hz and 360hz monitors. Those are as gimmicky as 8K. I have a monitor that goes up to 165hz and it does have exponentially diminishing returns on how high you have to go on the frame rate, and what you actually experience. Me personally, I cannot see a difference of anything over 120hz, and this is true for pretty much everyone I've spoken to with a monitor that goes above this. So you'll pay a significant amount for a 240hz or 360hz monitor that'll look no different than a much cheaper 144.

The other problem here is trying to drive a game at those resolutions. Unless you're playing Minecraft without shaders, there's pretty much no GPU out there that'll get anywhere close to those frames, even on the lowest settings. You'll see that 3080s and 6800XTs only get around 90-120 at best on 1440P on a new title. They can reach 144ish at 1080P, so unless you're willing to drop all your settings and run a game at 720, you're going to struggle to get anywhere near that 240, and 360hz? Forget about it.

4K, 8K, 240hz, 360hz, these are all gimmicks to sell screens. I think when games start getting harder to drive for the next gen you'll be looking at using 1080P to get to 120hz+, and 1440P will be somewhere closer to 90.

I've had high refresh rates forever. Its only the topic now because they realize they cant achieve 4k/60 on the cheap. (nor did the majority of tvs offer high refresh)

Not bothering until I have the parts for the rest of the new comp. It's mighty tempting, but i'm just waiting on my CPU/Mobo and i'm good to build.

@lundy86_4: i'm just confused because it takes, like, 2 minutes to pop it in and surely with many games being so gpu-bound you could be enjoying the investment.

But it's your biz :-)

Which are your current specs?

And what's the resolution of the monitor/TV you currently game at?

Very silly indeed. Waiting on parts that will have minimal impact on performance in most games when he could be enjoying his 3080.

@SolidGame_basic: Guess it really depends what cpu you have. If its on par or better than next gen consoles, slapping a new vid card in there might be the way to go, and then upgrade cpu in a few years.

Personally I tend to Overbuy on my cpus, and then use it through a few gpu upgrades.

I am happy that the cpu in next gen consoled isn't so far behind pc this time compared to last gen.

Maybe he’s lying 🤥

@R4gn4r0k:

Nvidia will not create a gpu called the 3080ti and have it out right beat the card with the 3090 name. Guaranteed the 3080ti will sit between the 3080 and 3090 performance wise having 20gb vram pool with 320bit bus for around $1k

@04dcarraher: I’d rather have a 12GB card that‘s a bit cheaper than a grand. How much is the cost for GDDR6X?

How's this?

More that I just wanna enjoy my new PC, and i'm not in any real rush, as I still have a 2080. Patience is a virtue.

Not in my repertoire. I've posted pics of my haul.

@R4gn4r0k: GDDR6x is expensive and only one company is making it... And its only in 1gb modules as far as we know, which is why 3090 was double sided vram on the pcb for the 24gb. If there is 2gb modules planned, I doubt Nvidia would re-purpose 384bit bus for a 3080 ti which would have same costs as 3090 pcb. It would be easier for them to re use rtx 3080 pcb/bus using 2gb modules and charge the premium for it for little to no real gain in performance.

With future titles going be to using MS's Direct storage API and PS5's SSD I/O, large vram buffer sizes will be irrelevant when you will be streaming in 5-14gb/s worth of game assets on the fly.

2080 is no slouch, but it is still silly. 15 minutes is all it would take to do a DDU uninstall of the drivers, open up your case, swap the cards, and then install the new drivers. Then you would be gaming on a 3080 and the rest of the parts can come whenever.

@BassMan: DDU Uninstal of drivers?

Is that where I just power off my PC slap in the new card, and let windows figure it out?

finewine technology

You could do it that way, but it may cause issues. It's best to do a fresh install of drivers when swapping cards.