Rumor: Playstation 4 is at the end of its life

But PS5 with Zen will hit more stable frame rates in general, so those games that do target 60fps or allow for a 60fps mode will hit 60fps more consistently. Jaguar was a huge bottleneck when it came to frame rates overall and especially for a good amount of games that targeting 60fps.

I can guarantee you one thing, there will be more games on PS5 that target 60fps than on PS4.

Lemmings (and a small sliver of PS fans) won't be able to stop the inevitable. Your SDC fears or personal desires won't win.

2020 is a year of PS5 release. Anyone notice how 2020 is missing? With this proof ( profit drop ) looks like Sony will significantly subsidize the development of the PS5 and also take some loss during launch and post launch

Even if they get the PS5 out by next year i say the PS4 will still have 4 more years after that,the PS2 was so successful that sony keep it alive until 2012 for 12 years basically.

Unlike Nintendo consoles, Sony consoles don't just die immediately. It's not "at the end of it's life" until at least a couple years after PS5 launches. Since we can pretty safely assume the PS5 isn't coming out this year (or probably not even next year), this is a pretty silly rumor.

The PS4 Pro is a 4K console like the PS3/360 were 1080p consoles (i.e. they weren't).

The Xbox One X is closer, but it still isn't there either. The PS5 will probably be the first true 4K console. I doubt it has any 8K capabilities other than perhaps supporting whatever 8K spec there is available, but doing games in 8K is not even close to realistic unless that game is pinball or some nonsense.

They'll announce a super slim next year that may just have Pro integrated into it since they can tape 7nm chips for it. There will be a few standout games announced to set things off on a high note and generate some delicious software cash to offset PS5 production underwrites. PS5 will be debuted at PSX 19. That gives them the next GDC, E3, TGS, and Gamescom to hype the release and debut games for a fall 2020 release.

The PS2 was going even better when they announce the PS3.

If anything, ps4 games will be cheaper when ps5 launches, so I'm down anyway, I won't buy ps5 until 2 years after launch

Makes you wonder why the PS4, a more successful console, hasn't outsold the PS3 yet. PS3 launched with so many problems, took years to course correct, and finally ended in a good place. PS4 made none of those mistakes, and yet, hasn't done gangbusters like Wii or PS2. (100 million plus)

Looks like 2019 will be the obligatory "dead year" before the new hardware arrives in 2020.

That's a pretty interesting point considering not only all you said but added to it, unlike this gen where Wii U and X1 stumbled outta the gate and that's putting it mildly, last gen Wii was a monster seller and 360 came out swinging doing most things right. Nintendo and MS practically offered up this gen to Sony on a silver platter. lol

@Bread_or_Decide:

I don't know did you used some logic or some shit, but PS2 sold 50 mil. units after PS3 launch or better to say, till end of his life. So, PS2 was sold in 100 mil. till PS3 launch.

So, PS4 already is at 80+ mil. sold-through. 2 and a half years left till PS5 launch. Till PS5 it will be 100+ mil. PS4s. PS4 will outsell Wii and PS1 easily. Wii has sold in 100 mil. units till PS4 launch and another 1 million in 3 YEARS ( till 2016 ). Wii fell of a cliff heavily after 2010. In 6 years Wii sold in just 15 mil. units.

The PS4 is nearly certain to surpass 100 million, and it could even challenge PS2. You are comparing lifetime sales to <5 years of sales, it's going to blow by the PS3. I haven't seen a chart comparing PS2 to PS4, but it seems it's on a similar pace where it just a steady arch of dominance throughout the gen. The Wii was an odd duck in that it was a huge fad hit for a couple years (far more than PS2 ever was), but then it also crashed hard at the end when the fad was over.

How is 100 million sold crashing hard? Wii had its time, then it ended. Gamers are so desperate to label it a failure somehow in every way they can. Accept the Wii. It's easier that way.

Playstation launching a console in 2020, (or holiday 2019 which can also be speculated by the above chart) feels like a mistake. Playstation has the competition right where they want them.

- They have higher quality first party titles than Xbox, they have more of them, and they have the power advantage over Nintendo which gives them more 3rd party games.

- Playstation 4 is up over 2 to 1 over Xbox and they are still beating the Switch most months.

- Hardware power and costs aren't in a spot right now that would provide a huge power gain over the Pro and Xbox One X at consumer friendly prices.

- There haven't been many 1st party titles from Sony this generation. 1 Uncharted, 1 God of War, 1 Infamous, 1 Gran Turismo, and we still don't have TLOU.

- Playstation could literally sit on their hardware and capitalize on strong software performance. I'm sure they could release an even cheaper revision of the PS4 and make even more money

Every new generation we see one or more of the big 3 make a silly mistake. Sony stumbled really bad with the PS3 launch, Microsoft and Nintendo both had problems with hardware launches (xbox one and Wii U) as well. You would think the company that is winning would try to emulate their own success instead of making the same mistakes their competition made. Microsoft went for motion controls with the Kinect 2.0 when they saw their competition begin to stumble with them and gamers being vocal about their dislike for them. Nintendo chased 360 and PS3 power (at the end of their generation no less) with the Wii U without fully fleshing out what made their product unique. Playstation launching a new console could only be for one reason. The power advantage. Where has that taken Xbox with the X? And Microsoft isn't even in a position to react right now with the state of their own product. So why? Why not just keep winning and making money?

I sincerely hope Xbox comes back hard, this gen has been boring for system wars.

@Bread_or_Decide: oh man, you really don't know your Numbers, do you?

Nah. Sony consoles have always had strong years even after the "next gen" consoles come out. This isn't the Wii, nobody is abandoning a 100 million install base.

I'd guess even some of the early PS5 exclusives will be "cross gen" anyway, as will the vast majority of AAA 3rd party games. Assuming PS5 comes in 2020, I'd say PS4 probably doesn't even slow down (in the games department) until 2021 or 2022. If recent history is a guide, it takes a couple years for them to start abandoning "cross gen" and make everything fully next gen.

@goldenelementxl: but the final phase of a console could last 2 years or more, I don't think ps5 will come before 2020.

I loved my Wii, I don't think it was a "failure", though certainly it was not what it could or should have been. The point is it dropped off the map prematurely. It was not supported to the end (or through the end) like the PS2. I think the loss of momentum of Wii led directly to the failure of the Wii-U.

I guess they're in a rush to fail. It took four years for PS4 to finally get a steady stream of exclusives releasing every year. Now all that stops for the obligatory reboot and horrendous first few years for a new console. Who is honestly in a rush for that terrible first console year?

But with that final phase comes game droughts. And 2020 is only 18 months away. How does Playstation go from trilogies worth of exclusive franchises in a single generation to just one? Software is where they make their money! Why rush to launching a new console where the profit margins are paper thin if they're there at all?

I have a feeling that Playstation is starting to listen to the internet more than they should. This is exactly what Xbox and Playstation did with these half step consoles and I don't think the console makers really came up with these ideas on their own. The problem is people aren't really buying the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X in any substantial amount. Sony knows this, so why they are moving to the next phase is confusing. Message board gamers claim they want power, but then they watch their games on Twitch and bitch about spending money on anything. These are the people Playstation is going to let drive the industry?

And trust me, I like new hardware as much as the next guy. I purchased the refresh consoles and upgrade my PC every year. But in the console space, tech hasn't advanced in any meaningful way since the Pro and X. 4K is throwing console gaming for a curve, and with a 2019-2020 console all we are gonna get is a 4Kish/30fps console with slight improvements in AI and graphical fidelity. Playstation is going to have a tough time convincing folks they need to buy this.

The problem is you are taking rumor as truth. Right now we are still in a good spot in the generation where games are playable. But it wont' be long before developers are really held back by the 6 or 7 year old hardware. By 2020 the PS4 will be 7 years old. Which was exactly the time between the PS3 launch and the PS4 launch. There wouldn't be anything unusual about a 2020 launch.

If the PS4 is still dominating in 2019 and 2020, then I agree the smart thing might be to push back the PS5 a bit to 2021 or 2022. But how do you know they won't do that? It also depends on what the competition does. What if MS is launching earlier (as they might be keen to do just to stay in the game)? In that case, waiting to 2022 to release a competing product would be pretty damned stupid.

Why are some of you talking like you will buy it on day 1? We all know the 1st year is all cross gen games, so if it even comes out 2020 you can still use your PS4 for 1 or 2 more years.

@goldenelementxl: you make really valid points and you're probably right.

If we are to assume that it has a life cycle like most things do it would be beginning, middle and end. If it's ENTERING its final phase, that means the previous two phases took 5 years or so. Meaning the final phase could potentially be another 2 years. Lining it up perfectly for 2020.

I'm hoping 2020, for Sony's sake at least. Otherwise new Pro adopters will feel extremely burned.

There was a whole lot of uncertainty going into this generation. Many industry experts were thinking consoles were headed the way of to dodo bird due to smart phones and tablets. Nintendo tried to head off that fear by essentially making a console that was designed around a tablet. It all seems silly in retrospect, considering how healthy console gaming is still. Generation 8 has been fascinating from the perspective of industry. While it is more apparent at this last phase of the generation that mobile devices have left a mark on the software industry side, the market for hardware is still very strong.

This has not been a "winner-take-all" generation, for one thing. The rise of the Switch shows that hardware ecosystems are not married to the generational cycle quite as much as we would all assume up to this point. If you build it, and the idea warrants consumer interest, they will flock to it. Switch is a generationless platform in a lot of regards. Only time will tell if it is remembered as the heir to the 3DS or the heir to the Wii... or both. Until then, PS4 hardware sales are notable and Sony has definitely reasserted itself as the industry leader for the home console market. The introduction to the "half-gen upgrade" has at least been successful enough to not be pulled off of shelves or otherwise pulled away from marketing materials for the platform. Long story short, for a hardware market that many predicted would be dead, the companies have made clever adjustments to move hardware and it has been mostly effective.

Another point of reference is that within 4 and a half years, the PS4 has almost superceded market penetration of a machine that was out for 7. Not sure if that can be looked at in anything other than a positive light.

@xantufrog: I just looked O.O! I started to reply, then I just walked on.

@Bread_or_Decide:

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"I guess they're in a rush to fail. It took four years for PS4 to finally get a steady stream of exclusives releasing every year. Now all that stops for the obligatory reboot and horrendous first few years for a new console. Who is honestly in a rush for that terrible first console year?"....

Rush to fail? 4 years? WTF this guy bullshiting about?

PS4 already had good exclusives since 2014. You tried

I just like how everyone assumes there will be a drought in 2019 when PS3 ended its gen with Ni No Kuni and Gran Turismo for swan songs. Please do not apply XBox logic to a Playstation. I'll let ya'll in on a little secret. There is a tidy profit to be made in the tail of a generation. An inexpensive console may not be a difference maker in the west, but in emerging markets, there is a micro boom of growth when a console can be sold at or below mass market pricing. The games that come out late for a generation create decent profit opportunities, which in turn help soften the crunch of profitability when starting a new cycle. For all of Playstations faults, ending a generation dead in the water has never been nor ever will be one of them. Ending a generation can create opportunities if you have a strategy for navigating that correctly.

What were the 360's big first party system sellers in 2011 and 2012? Yeah, nothing. They moved all of their development to launch window titles for the next thing. Not exactly taking advantage of the business opportunity they had with an installed fanbase to move software numbers while the larger mass of the market had not adopted next-gen, yet.

I fully expect the PS5 to launch no later then the fall of 2020.

My 10 year old twins have never even asked for a console. Exactly like you said, they play Minecraft and Roblox on their ipads. They also play them on PC as well, along with The Sims 4. They do have 3DS's as well but they have only been used for Pokemon.

My mates 10 year old son does play Fortnite on Xbox One.

Knack, Infamous second son, killzone lol.

OKAY. You're funny dude. Why do ponies always re-write history? Their first good exclusive was Bloodborne and then nothing after that until Unfarted. Only last year did they finally hit it out of the park with releases and exclusives.

And traditionally the first year of every console is trash. Waiting for great games, settling for average games and last gen ports.

Except for the Switch...that is the best first year of any console to date. Widely agreed.

@Bread_or_Decide: 100 m Wii sold for Sony fans is a flop cuz it ain’t a Sony product.

@raugutcon: I don't think anyone considers Wii a failure

@Bread_or_Decide:

And what about MLB The Show, Guilty Gear Xrd, Dynasty Warriors, Transistor, InFamous First Light, Driveclub, FF XIV Realm Reborn and bunch of others in 2014? If i'm funny, than you, Xbone fan, are hilarious. So glad that PS4 kicked the shit out of your lovely shitty Xbone. What a piece of crap console.

Yeah, Bloodborne is the only game for PS4 in 2015. How some Xbone fan can spew so much shit after shit.

I still expect PS4 to be going strong even in its twilight years.

I'm not expecting a PS5 till Fall 2020.

Maybe for Nintendo and MS consoles not Sony consoles. Sony supports their consoles to the very end. PS3 was still getting games like GT6 in 2013. I'm not expecting a PS5 till 2020.

Come on, you know those games don't count. DLC, niche, multiplats. Come on now. That's embarrassing did you even read your list?

Question is how long that end of life cycle is going to be

Well, your brain is niche.

Dynasty Warriors? LOL

You must be joking. That was a joke list.

Just be honest, PS4 was all about multiplatform games for its first three years.

Truth.

You speak it.

@knight-k: the ps3 outsold the 360 due to japan. The difference there is larger thanthe year headstart gave the 360

Sony Commits Support to PS4 Through 2021

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/05/sony_commits_support_to_ps4_through_2021

@GameboyTroy: extend that to 2026

Not to mention, Japan has three times the population of the UK, which was XBox 360s other stronghold.