Rumor: xbox live dropping costs

That large XBL network doesn't host itself on air, it's all on servers, I don't know of any feature that doesn't work or is half assed.Andrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]That large XBL network doesn't host itself on air, it's all on servers, I don't know of any feature that doesn't work or is half assed.foxhound_fox

if ads are paying for the network then what are the gold members paying for?

btw gold member get ads too

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

Personally I don't mind pay $50. But I want something in return.

dthach614

Guess who makes that code? It ain't the keebler elves. If Sony laid out the cost of developing PSN's online multiplayer component, they would probably charge a fee also.

why do we got to paid a yearly subscription? does M$ develop a new infrastructure every year? why is xbox live games mostly p2p? do they give us dedicated servers? why is psn and pc free?

YES, PSN has an infrastructure also, but it is not as intergrated with the console as XBL is with the 360.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]That large XBL network doesn't host itself on air, it's all on servers, I don't know of any feature that doesn't work or is half assed.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]That large XBL network doesn't host itself on air, it's all on servers, I don't know of any feature that doesn't work or is half assed.heretrix

M$ try to charge for gfwl but pc gamers knew better

PSN offer free online multiplayer, why can't M$ do the same for the Xbo 360?

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Advertisements pay for that network for all the silver members. PC gamers got Windows Live for free after complaining and refusing to pay... Xbox gamers can do it too... they just don't want to it seems, they like paying money for something that should be free... they *think* it makes it better.dthach614

M$ try to charge for gfwl but pc gamers knew better

PSN offer free online multiplayer, why can't M$ do the same for the Xbo 360?

[QUOTE="dthach614"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]There is a big difference to the way XBL and GFWL operate. PC's are not part of a closed network purely designed to work with the service. The 360 is. XBL is part of the 360. GFWL is not intergrated across every PC offering. So yeah, they can offer it for free on the PC. I just isn't as important to them.heretrix

M$ try to charge for gfwl but pc gamers knew better

PSN offer free online multiplayer, why can't M$ do the same for the Xbo 360?

explain what? M$ do not need to charger players for online gaming. They do it because they're greedy

You said Xbox live is part of the Xbox 360. You do not need to be connect to Xbox live to play your games, only when you play online.

now why can Sony give player free online and M$ can't?

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

M$ try to charge for gfwl but pc gamers knew better

PSN offer free online multiplayer, why can't M$ do the same for the Xbo 360?

dthach614

explain what? M$ do not need to charger players for online gaming. They do it because they're greedy

You said Xbox live is part of the Xbox 360. You do not need to be connect to Xbox live to play your games, only when you play online.

now why can Sony give player free online and M$ can't?

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I explained that to you already. I won't repeat myself. heretrix

explain what? M$ do not need to charger players for online gaming. They do it because they're greedy

You said Xbox live is part of the Xbox 360. You do not need to be connect to Xbox live to play your games, only when you play online.

now why can Sony give player free online and M$ can't?

why do Microsoft have to charge us for using our own connections?

Yup.

I haven't paid more than $30/yr for XBL this gen :)

Even if it cost $1 I would still not pay for it. I can easily afford the $50 a year but am not willing to pay for something that should be free out of principal. PC gamers were able to get Windows Live for free... why haven't Xbox gamers done the same? All you have to do is refuse to pay for a few months and then Microsoft will realize that charging for the service isn't wanted by the community and they will make it free.foxhound_fox

Wouldn't you 360 owners love to be able to put one of these bad babies in your 360. In the PS3 you can and I have done so with all 3 of my PS3s. Any brand and up to a Terrabyte of HDD space. patriots7672

I own a PS3 and don't want that much HDD space in it. Unless you're loading a ton of vids, I see no reason for it.

It's a nice option though.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

explain what? M$ do not need to charger players for online gaming. They do it because they're greedy

You said Xbox live is part of the Xbox 360. You do not need to be connect to Xbox live to play your games, only when you play online.

now why can Sony give player free online and M$ can't?

dthach614

why do Microsoft have to charge us for using our own connections?

A. You respond to posts you don't read

B. You aren't interested in having a logical conversation.

C. I'm wasting my time.

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Wouldn't you 360 owners love to be able to put one of these bad babies in your 360. In the PS3 you can and I have done so with all 3 of my PS3s. Any brand and up to a Terrabyte of HDD space. LosDaddie

I own a PS3 and don't want that much HDD space in it. Unless you're loading a ton of vids, I see no reason for it.

It's a nice option though.

heretrix, what you're saying about xbox LIVE is true, but in my eyes it's nothing different than those candy speculators that put a bag worth 1$ of candy with a fancy decoration of 10 cents and sell them for 3$, to the unwaware parents normally. Integrating everything (or should I say monopolize when they can put a price to something the developer wants to make free?) isn't an argument that proves the cost of xbox LIVE.blitzcloud

lol i look through all his post and didnt' find not one good reason why xbl should cost money. all he said, xbox live part of xbox 360 so M$ can charge for it.

heretrix, what you're saying about xbox LIVE is true, but in my eyes it's nothing different than those candy speculators that put a bag worth 1$ of candy with a fancy decoration of 10 cents and sell them for 3$, to the unwaware parents normally. Integrating everything (or should I say monopolize when they can put a price to something the developer wants to make free?) isn't an argument that proves the cost of xbox LIVE.blitzcloud

XBL's already existing online multiplayer code is part of the reason developers like to develop for the 360, it's one less thing they have to worry about.It brings the cost of development down for the developers, but it costs money to maintain. Why past that cost over to developers when they can charge you for it?

It's a win/win for them. They get more developer support, you get more games.

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]heretrix, what you're saying about xbox LIVE is true, but in my eyes it's nothing different than those candy speculators that put a bag worth 1$ of candy with a fancy decoration of 10 cents and sell them for 3$, to the unwaware parents normally. Integrating everything (or should I say monopolize when they can put a price to something the developer wants to make free?) isn't an argument that proves the cost of xbox LIVE.heretrix

XBL's already existing online multiplayer code is part of the reason developers like to develop for the 360, it's one less thing they have to worry about.It brings the cost of development down for the developers, but it costs money to maintain. Why past that cost over to developers when they can charge you for it?

It's a win/win for them. They get more developer support, you get more games.

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]heretrix, what you're saying about xbox LIVE is true, but in my eyes it's nothing different than those candy speculators that put a bag worth 1$ of candy with a fancy decoration of 10 cents and sell them for 3$, to the unwaware parents normally. Integrating everything (or should I say monopolize when they can put a price to something the developer wants to make free?) isn't an argument that proves the cost of xbox LIVE.heretrix

XBL's already existing online multiplayer code is part of the reason developers like to develop for the 360, it's one less thing they have to worry about.It brings the cost of development down for the developers, but it costs money to maintain. Why past that cost over to developers when they can charge you for it?

It's a win/win for them. They get more developer support, you get more games.

"maintaining PSN isn't as high as XBL'"

let me see some proof

Developers still have to program their network coding for their games. it dont just come out of no where. where do you people get this stuff.

The developer SHOULD pay the cost because WE pay for their games already. Why do we got to pay for the game then pay another fee just to pay online? How is that fair? Why should we pay the cost when we already pay the developers for the game? Why shouldnt the developer pay the cost?

Maintain what?!? The top games on XBL dont even have a dedicated servers.

PSN get just as much support online.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]heretrix, what you're saying about xbox LIVE is true, but in my eyes it's nothing different than those candy speculators that put a bag worth 1$ of candy with a fancy decoration of 10 cents and sell them for 3$, to the unwaware parents normally. Integrating everything (or should I say monopolize when they can put a price to something the developer wants to make free?) isn't an argument that proves the cost of xbox LIVE.tok1879

XBL's already existing online multiplayer code is part of the reason developers like to develop for the 360, it's one less thing they have to worry about.It brings the cost of development down for the developers, but it costs money to maintain. Why past that cost over to developers when they can charge you for it?

It's a win/win for them. They get more developer support, you get more games.

It's weird, I have a PS3 also, So I guess I get to enjoy that free multiplayer gaming also.

Wow. It is good for me. Thanks, pal.

I don't even play my 360 online...but I continue to pay 50$ a year for the service.>_>

PS3 online is different,because I enjoy MGS4 and LBP.

[QUOTE="dthach614"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'll tell you what, you can look back a little in the thread and read what I posted earlier.heretrix

why do Microsoft have to charge us for using our own connections?

A. You respond to posts you don't read

B. You aren't interested in having a logical conversation.

C. I'm wasting my time.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]heretrix, what you're saying about xbox LIVE is true, but in my eyes it's nothing different than those candy speculators that put a bag worth 1$ of candy with a fancy decoration of 10 cents and sell them for 3$, to the unwaware parents normally. Integrating everything (or should I say monopolize when they can put a price to something the developer wants to make free?) isn't an argument that proves the cost of xbox LIVE.tok1879

XBL's already existing online multiplayer code is part of the reason developers like to develop for the 360, it's one less thing they have to worry about.It brings the cost of development down for the developers, but it costs money to maintain. Why past that cost over to developers when they can charge you for it?

It's a win/win for them. They get more developer support, you get more games.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

why do Microsoft have to charge us for using our own connections?

no_handlebars

A. You respond to posts you don't read

B. You aren't interested in having a logical conversation.

C. I'm wasting my time.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="dthach614"]

why do Microsoft have to charge us for using our own connections?

no_handlebars

A. You respond to posts you don't read

B. You aren't interested in having a logical conversation.

C. I'm wasting my time.

he didnt explain anything. he gave some half ass answer, none were good reason of why there xbl should cost us money. he keep telling me go back cause he couldn't come back with an answer. he just dont want to admit his defeat.

[QUOTE="no_handlebars"][QUOTE="heretrix"]So our conversation is showing 3 things:

A. You respond to posts you don't read

B. You aren't interested in having a logical conversation.

C. I'm wasting my time.

heretrix

youre ignoring me cause you got pwned.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Of course it is. I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I think it makes a lot of sense. Sony does not have to maintain a network infrastructure that is connected through every single PS3 title.Their cost of maintaining PSN isn't as high as XBL's which is why they can afford to undercut Microsoft.

XBL's already existing online multiplayer code is part of the reason developers like to develop for the 360, it's one less thing they have to worry about.It brings the cost of development down for the developers, but it costs money to maintain. Why past that cost over to developers when they can charge you for it?

It's a win/win for them. They get more developer support, you get more games.

hip-hop-cola2

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

I don't even play my 360 online...but I continue to pay 50$ a year for the service.>_>deathofaninja

[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"][QUOTE="tok1879"] If thinking like that helps you justify the cost of Live, then all i can say is GOOD FOR YOU BUDDY!!! I'ld stick to my FREE online play, and switch over to play the 360's awesome game when Microsoft becomes less greedy, or when Live gamers get smarter.heretrix

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"] It also annoys me when people look at developers as poor children begging for change. Video games are the most expensive form of media, and the business is booming. I feel for the super small devs trying to force out there games but most are fine, I really don't see why we should pay for there mult-player features for them on top of what we do already. If they can do it for ps3 and pc games and charge the same amount what are you paying for.LosDaddie

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm just looking at the whole thing as a business transaction, which is what it is.

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

Eddie-Vedder

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"] It also annoys me when people look at developers as poor children begging for change. Video games are the most expensive form of media, and the business is booming. I feel for the super small devs trying to force out there games but most are fine, I really don't see why we should pay for there mult-player features for them on top of what we do already. If they can do it for ps3 and pc games and charge the same amount what are you paying for.LosDaddie

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm just looking at the whole thing as a business transaction, which is what it is.

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

Eddie-Vedder

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm just looking at the whole thing as a business transaction, which is what it is.

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

comstrikeiscool

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

I've even crossed over to playing PS3 games online using the 360's voice chat unintterupted with my friends. It's a great feature. Does everyone need it? NO. Do I like it? Hell yeah.

[QUOTE="tok1879"] If thinking like that helps you justify the cost of Live, then all i can say is GOOD FOR YOU BUDDY!!! I'ld stick to my FREE online play, and switch over to play the 360's awesome game when Microsoft becomes less greedy, or when Live gamers get smarter.heretrix

It's weird, I have a PS3 also, So I guess I get to enjoy that free multiplayer gaming also.

Wow. It is good for me. Thanks, pal.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm just looking at the whole thing as a business transaction, which is what it is.

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

Eddie-Vedder

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

I wish XBL was free, but it's not. And if there weren't any games on XBL I wanted to play, then I wouldn't pay for it.

But there are pleny of games I want to play. And I friends/co-workers/family that I game with on XBL.

Like I said; I feel I get my $30/yr worth out of XBL. :)

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="tok1879"] If thinking like that helps you justify the cost of Live, then all i can say is GOOD FOR YOU BUDDY!!! I'ld stick to my FREE online play, and switch over to play the 360's awesome game when Microsoft becomes less greedy, or when Live gamers get smarter.tok1879

It's weird, I have a PS3 also, So I guess I get to enjoy that free multiplayer gaming also.

Wow. It is good for me. Thanks, pal.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm just looking at the whole thing as a business transaction, which is what it is.

It's nice that you feel like you shouldn't have to pay for the service, but the service is subscription based and to use it you will have to pay. You are doing the proper thing by not paying for something that you think has no value. I don't fault you for it at all.

I like the extra features live has over PSN and I don't have a problem paying for it.On the other hand, I think that it sucks that people have to pay monthly for WOW, so I don't play it. It's as simple as that. Is Blizzard ripping me off? No.

comstrikeiscool

Great post.

I find XBL to be worth every penny of the $30/yr I pay for it. If I didn't feel I got my money's worth, I wouldn't pay the fee.

The Party System :) I love being able to hop from game-to-game with friends without ever being disconnected.

I also prefer Voice Messaging (faster / more efficient) when I'm online ....and I like the convenience of sending XBL text messages to friends via Xbox.com when I'm at work.

Oh and Netflix Streaming is an amazing new feature. The wife & I use it all the time. :)

Custom Soundtracks is another reason I prefer gaming on XBL too

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="tok1879"] If thinking like that helps you justify the cost of Live, then all i can say is GOOD FOR YOU BUDDY!!! I'ld stick to my FREE online play, and switch over to play the 360's awesome game when Microsoft becomes less greedy, or when Live gamers get smarter.tok1879

It's weird, I have a PS3 also, So I guess I get to enjoy that free multiplayer gaming also.

Wow. It is good for me. Thanks, pal.

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="heretrix"]I don't need anything to justify 50 bucks a year.That isn't even the money I spend on lunch for the week. Buddy.

It's weird, I have a PS3 also, So I guess I get to enjoy that free multiplayer gaming also.

Wow. It is good for me. Thanks, pal.

Verge_6

Oh, I'm strugglin' I can barely feed mah family, but I get free online gaming! I gotta support a poor company that sells 2500 dollar HDTV sets and overpriced computers!

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Wouldn't you 360 owners love to be able to put one of these bad babies in your 360. In the PS3 you can and I have done so with all 3 of my PS3s. Any brand and up to a Terrabyte of HDD space. LosDaddie

I own a PS3 and don't want that much HDD space in it. Unless you're loading a ton of vids, I see no reason for it.

It's a nice option though.

My point is 360 owners pay over $100 for 120 gb HDD and PS3 owners pay the same amount for HDDs 700gb to 1 Terra Byte. 360 owners are paying $60 for games on a standard DVD and PS3 owners are paying the same for games on a more expensive Bluray disc that are unscratchable. PS3 owners are playing online free and 360 owners are paying.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Wouldn't you 360 owners love to be able to put one of these bad babies in your 360. In the PS3 you can and I have done so with all 3 of my PS3s. Any brand and up to a Terrabyte of HDD space. patriots7672

I own a PS3 and don't want that much HDD space in it. Unless you're loading a ton of vids, I see no reason for it.

It's a nice option though.

My point is 360 owners pay over $100 for 120 gb HDD and PS3 owners pay the same amount for HDDs 700gb to 1 Terra Byte. 360 owners are paying $60 for games on a standard DVD and PS3 owners are paying the same for games on a more expensive Bluray disc that are unscratchable. PS3 owners are playing online free and 360 owners are paying.

I see your point, I do feel a bit envy that the PS3 owners have the freedom to upgrade HDD at their own choice and fee online and web browser. But I can't blame myself for choosing Xbox because it has great games librabry and there's more people on Live than the PSN.