Sakaguchi lost it, Lost Odyssey won't deliver

yeah but i could look at a specific movie or game and see if i like it or not.

xjet039

so could i.

gametrailers is right down the corner :|

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

leadernator

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

I find my taste in games/movies/books is usually not what most people enjoy. I usually do my own research on a game, and while yes, I will read reviews to get a perspective on the game, there are some that I simply know I will enjoy.

Yes, using reviews is a good thing, but saying what you 've said based on other people's opinions is silly. Only someone who has personally experienced the game can make these types of assumptions.

As I've said, I'm going to let the material speak for itself.

[QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

Verge_6

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

And, so far, each and every time I went and saw a movie or played a game that the critics trashed, I loved. How amusing. You act as if critics are super-humans who are capable of no wrong.

that's why there a lot of critics with different opinions. you can choose who you want to agree with.

don't exaggerate. just because it happened frequently, doesn't mean it happens every time.

you want games to be AAA. that's why you're here... don't act like reviews don't matter anymore :|

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

leadernator

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

What?!! Eva Mendez = WIN!

I will be playing Blue Dragon firsthand and make my own opinion on the quality of the game. I don't need people to tell me what's good or bad. People have different tastes.

[QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

TheCrazed420

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

I find my taste in games/movies/books is usually not what most people enjoy. I usually do my own research on a game, and while yes, I will read reviews to get a perspective on the game, there are some that I simply know I will enjoy.

Yes, using reviews is a good thing, but saying what you 've said based on other people's opinions is silly. Only someone who has personally experienced the game can make these types of assumptions.

As I've said, I'm going to let the material speak for itself.

hey, if a review can save you $60, why not?

and like i said,experiencing everything that you think is interesting is close to impossible.

i wasn't trying to argue about YOUR OWN RESEARCH, or what's cool to you, just making a point.

sakaguchi's games won't be the BIG GUNS in JRPGs.

[QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

BioShockOwnz

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

What?!! Eva Mendez = WIN!

I will be playing Blue Dragon firsthand and make my own opinion on the quality of the game. I don't need people to tell me what's good or bad. People have different tastes.

DUDE, that's cool. i'm happy for you that you'll enjoy the game, really. Yes, people have different tastes... not arguing against that either.

i'm just saying, sakaguchi's games won't be the END ALL JRPGs. he will not crush Square... he just won't be the big name in the genre.

he won't deliver what he promised in almost all his cocky interviews.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

leadernator

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

I find my taste in games/movies/books is usually not what most people enjoy. I usually do my own research on a game, and while yes, I will read reviews to get a perspective on the game, there are some that I simply know I will enjoy.

Yes, using reviews is a good thing, but saying what you 've said based on other people's opinions is silly. Only someone who has personally experienced the game can make these types of assumptions.

As I've said, I'm going to let the material speak for itself.

hey, if a review can save you $60, why not?

and like i said,experiencing everything that you think is interesting is close to impossible.

i wasn't trying to argue about YOUR OWN RESEARCH, or what's cool to you, just making a point.

sakaguchi's games won't be the BIG GUNS in JRPGs.

Define BIG GUNS? If you mean blockbuster sellers, then yes, you are probably right.

If you mean top quality games, then you simply don't know. BD, LO, Cry On, and ASH all look to be solid entries in the rpg arena. I for one am extremely happy to see a new developer in the genre pumping out a lot of new franchises.

MGS4 wont deliver becouse of Zone of enders ( I think Kojima created both series but I could be wrong).

Super mario galaxy wont deliver becouse of Sunshine.

Lair wont deliver becouse of Rouge squadron.

Killzone2 wont deliver becouse of killzone.

Heavenly sword wont deliver becouseof Kung fu Chaos.

Is this a stupid way torate games? yes, yes it is.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

leadernator

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

And, so far, each and every time I went and saw a movie or played a game that the critics trashed, I loved. How amusing. You act as if critics are super-humans who are capable of no wrong.

that's why there a lot of critics with different opinions. you can choose who you want to agree with.

don't exaggerate. just because it happened frequently, doesn't mean it happens every time.

you want games to be AAA. that's why you're here... don't act like reviews don't matter anymore :|

And in one fell post, you just killed your own thread. Why should one care about critics if all they're going to do is agree with the ones that best suit their needs?

It takes more than one talented individual to make a great game. Sakaguchi was the creator of FF, but he alone didn't make it good. In fact, post FFV he didn't even direct the FFs anymore, his role in development was lessened and the games arguably got better. Sakaguchi left for Mistwalker, but most of the FF team is still at Square(look at the dev staff making XIII, it is very similar to VI, VII, VIII, and X. Sakaguchi put together a different team for IX while the "usual" team made X, hence how the games were released only about a year apart. XII was made by the tactics team). Anyway, games don't rely on just one person. Jaffe didn't work on GoW2, but that didn't stop it from being even better(imo) than the 1st. ultima-flare

Im not only looking forward to his work, but Uetmatsu scores as well. His main theme for Lost Odyssey is candy for the ears.

MGS4 wont deliver becouse of Zone of enders ( I think Kojima created both series but I could be wrong).

Super mario galaxy wont deliver becouse of Sunshine.

Lair wont deliver becouse of Rouge squadron.

Killzone2 wont deliver becouse of killzone.

Heavenly sword wont deliver becouseof Kung fu Chaos.

Is this a stupid way torate games? yes, yes it is.

JLF1

Zone of the Enders 1 & 2 were great games :(

wow, you just called 99.9% of gamers/movie lovers pathetic :|

reviews can help us, as it's not so bad to get a second opinion. you're not going to buy every single game out there and create your own opinions about them.

leadernator

Thats why there is this thing called renting :)

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

MGS4 wont deliver becouse of Zone of enders ( I think Kojima created both series but I could be wrong).

Super mario galaxy wont deliver becouse of Sunshine.

Lair wont deliver becouse of Rouge squadron.

Killzone2 wont deliver becouse of killzone.

Heavenly sword wont deliver becouseof Kung fu Chaos.

Is this a stupid way torate games? yes, yes it is.

xDonRobx

Zone of the Enders 1 & 2 were great games :(

dont mind him. he thinks he's making sense ;)

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

MGS4 wont deliver becouse of Zone of enders ( I think Kojima created both series but I could be wrong).

Super mario galaxy wont deliver becouse of Sunshine.

Lair wont deliver becouse of Rouge squadron.

Killzone2 wont deliver becouse of killzone.

Heavenly sword wont deliver becouseof Kung fu Chaos.

Is this a stupid way torate games? yes, yes it is.

Filonus

Zone of the Enders 1 & 2 were great games :(

dont mind him. he thinks he's making sense ;)

:lol:

I understand what he was trying to prove...he just severely failed.

I might get LO, but the only JRPG's i have liked were FFX, FFXII, KH, KH2, andDark Cloud 2.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

MGS4 wont deliver becouse of Zone of enders ( I think Kojima created both series but I could be wrong).

Super mario galaxy wont deliver becouse of Sunshine.

Lair wont deliver becouse of Rouge squadron.

Killzone2 wont deliver becouse of killzone.

Heavenly sword wont deliver becouseof Kung fu Chaos.

Is this a stupid way torate games? yes, yes it is.

xDonRobx

Zone of the Enders 1 & 2 were great games :(

and i guess zone of the enders did bad here or something.

thats his point. you cant say a dev is done after just one game. we said that bout killzone. then killzone 2 stunned us with a good showing this year.

also i got 46 out of 48 achievements today. it really is that pathetic. im missing the 4 deflections by one player and 2 fumble recoveries by one player. Last years madden had way more challenging achievements. all these achievements you could get in 2-3 days of renting.

hmm since we are all crystal balling i might as well do the same

declaimer: i am not a moron i don't believe these things i was being sarcastic and trying to point out the flaw in the TC's argument

White Knight Story will have no character interaction, basically you are going to walk around and cant talk to anyone

Heavenly Sword is going to fail because the developers cant make good games their first game sucked, they are all never going to make it in the game developing market

Killzone 2 same as above

Haze will fail just like Resistance did because its standard of an fps

i could go on but its these type of baseless assumptions based on no hardfacts just BSing is basically what you are doing in this thread.

Are you taking about Final Fantasy Spirits Within? I liked that film.

And someone should bookmark this.For future ownage or confirmation.

Zone of Enders 1 was a great game? What alternate universe did you escape from? It was funny watching the TC get owned for awhile then I stumbled onto that nugget. That's when things got serious.JiveT

Oh im sorry. I forgot this is SW and only AAAe's matter.

My apologies.

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Impex"]

There never was much LO hype to begin with. I wouldn't count it out for a AA title. Same with Blue Dragon.

I'm more interested in Eternal Sonata and ME though. :wink:

leadernator

Well that's BS. LO and BD have had alot of hype over the last 2 years.

yup, there's no denying that.

Sakaguchi claimed himself that he wanted to crush Square at his feet. Man, people should never get too arrogant.

seriously???? woah if that's true he went too far...

BD was a system seller in japan so even if it sucks here, it is still a great game.

[QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

Verge_6

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

And, so far, each and every time I went and saw a movie or played a game that the critics trashed, I loved. How amusing. You act as if critics are super-humans who are capable of no wrong.

that's why there a lot of critics with different opinions. you can choose who you want to agree with.

don't exaggerate. just because it happened frequently, doesn't mean it happens every time.

you want games to be AAA. that's why you're here... don't act like reviews don't matter anymore :|

And in one fell post, you just killed your own thread. Why should one care about critics if all they're going to do is agree with the ones that best suit their needs?

that's why there are critics more credible than others smart guy :|

MGS4 wont deliver becouse of Zone of enders ( I think Kojima created both series but I could be wrong).

Super mario galaxy wont deliver becouse of Sunshine.

Lair wont deliver becouse of Rouge squadron.

Killzone2 wont deliver becouse of killzone.

Heavenly sword wont deliver becouseof Kung fu Chaos.

Is this a stupid way torate games? yes, yes it is.

JLF1

You have quite a bit of misunderstanding there guy. Sakaguchi had a number of mistakes, not just one game.

BD didn't deliver on his promise. that's clear now.

but don't forget that he's the one man who almost bankrupted square with Spirits Within.

never heard of Spirits Within? exactly. it was a complete failure. having him coming up cocky with his new RPG developer studio is just wrong after all he did, and BD is just proving all of that.

BD was a system seller in japan so even if it sucks here, it is still a great game.

elite_ferns1

it did push a fair amount of 360s there...

but it wasn't microsofts saving grace. it's still doing pretty horribly in Japan

[QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="leadernator"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

Has the TC even played either game yet? Most probably not. But sure, go ahead, make all of these random comments about games you know nothing about simply to get a reaction from people who enjoy rpg's and have a history enjoying some of Sakaguchi's earlier work.

Sorry, but I'm going to let the game decide if it delivers or not, not some nobody like you.

TheCrazed420

wow, such strong feelings you have.

do you have to watch the GHOST RIDER movie to know if it's good or not? no one in the world can afford to experience EVERYTHING. that's why we got the critics yo.

I find my taste in games/movies/books is usually not what most people enjoy. I usually do my own research on a game, and while yes, I will read reviews to get a perspective on the game, there are some that I simply know I will enjoy.

Yes, using reviews is a good thing, but saying what you 've said based on other people's opinions is silly. Only someone who has personally experienced the game can make these types of assumptions.

As I've said, I'm going to let the material speak for itself.

hey, if a review can save you $60, why not?

and like i said,experiencing everything that you think is interesting is close to impossible.

i wasn't trying to argue about YOUR OWN RESEARCH, or what's cool to you, just making a point.

sakaguchi's games won't be the BIG GUNS in JRPGs.

Define BIG GUNS? If you mean blockbuster sellers, then yes, you are probably right.

If you mean top quality games, then you simply don't know. BD, LO, Cry On, and ASH all look to be solid entries in the rpg arena. I for one am extremely happy to see a new developer in the genre pumping out a lot of new franchises.

we do know BD = 7.9 at IGN, one of the most easiest reviewers out there.

then goes the 68% at EGM.

definitely not the scores we would think this game would get.