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#1 degeneraz
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Simple, which game will dominate the next gen sales?

Us lemmings have to face the facts.  Either Sony paid Kojima a load of money or he's just too stubborn to want to sell more games.  Xbox360 will NOT be getting MGS4.

In my opinion it is the BIGGEST mistake for Kojima not to bring MGS4 to the Xbox360. Sales would be atleast triple to what it would be if it stayed exclusively on PS3. 10 mill install base vs 2.5 mill. And don't BS about how the XBox360 can't handle it because as all multi plat games shows, they mostly look better on the Xbox360.

 

 

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Halo 2 and MGS3 released at the same time. Check out what happened there.
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#4 majadamus
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 Simple, which game will dominate the next gen sales?

 

 

In my opinion it is the BIGGEST mistake for Kojima not to bring MGS4 to the Xbox360.  Sales would be atleast triple to what it would be if it stayed exclusively on PS3.  10 mill install base vs 2.5 mill.  And don't BS about how the XBox360 can't handle it because as all multi plat games shows, they mostly look better on the Xbox360. 

 

 

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Keep dreaming, the 360 won't be getting MGS4 anytime soon.
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#5 Adrian_Cloud
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360 owners 10 million
PS3 owners 3 million.

By end of the year

360 owners 15 million
PS3 owners 9 million

-The people to young to buy M rated games

360 owners 11 million
Ps3 owners 6 million

Halo 3 - 2.7 million By end of year
Metal Gear solid 4 2.5 Million by end of year
ASSUMING RELEASE DATES ARE BOTH NOVEMBER

 

But honestly MEtal Gear Solid 4 already looks, and plays better than Halo 3.

ah

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#6 Bansheesdie
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You post a Pre-Alpha shot of Halo 3, thus opening the flood gates. Halo 3 will dominate the sales this year, the only game that has a shot is GTA IV.
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#7 cakeorrdeath
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Halo 3 - 2.7 million By end of year
Adrian_Cloud

 

You think Halo will sell worse than Gears of War? 

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#8 foxhound_fox
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Halo 3 = system seller
MGS4 =/= system seller

Hmm... I wonder?
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#9 deactivated-5f26ef21d6f71
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Halo 3 by far. 

After seeing the lines Halo 2 had caused in 2004. I can't imagine what hype or hysteria Halo 3 may cause once released.

 

 

 

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[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]You post a Pre-Alpha shot of Halo 3, thus opening the flood gates. Halo 3 will dominate the sales this year, the only game that has a shot is GTA IV.

Stop with the BS exuses. btw MGS4 = teh pre-alpha. And still looks miles better than Halo 3. Another thing, explain how the previous halo 3 trailer(not the CG one) looked so much better, then turns to this?
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#11 Adrian_Cloud
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Halo 3 - 2.7 million By end of year
cakeorrdeath

You think Halo will sell worse than Gears of War?

Gears sold 2.7 million in one month?
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]You post a Pre-Alpha shot of Halo 3, thus opening the flood gates. Halo 3 will dominate the sales this year, the only game that has a shot is GTA IV.

Stop with the BS exuses. btw MGS4 = teh pre-alpha. And still looks miles better than Halo 3. Another thing, explain how the previous halo 3 trailer(not the CG one) looked so much better, then turns to this?

You do know it says Pre-Alpha in the bottom left side of the screen right?
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#13 Bansheesdie
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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Halo 3 - 2.7 million By end of year
Adrian_Cloud

You think Halo will sell worse than Gears of War?

Gears sold 2.7 million in one month?

Halo 3 is released in the Fall.
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#14 Javy03
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Simple, which game will dominate the next gen sales?

In my opinion it is the BIGGEST mistake for Kojima not to bring MGS4 to the Xbox360. Sales would be atleast triple to what it would be if it stayed exclusively on PS3. 10 mill install base vs 2.5 mill. And don't BS about how the XBox360 can't handle it because as all multi plat games shows, they mostly look better on the Xbox360.

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You dont get it. Halo 3 can sell well but the problem is that game already feeds the same fanbase that is the 360 fanbase and that isnt that big a fanbase. 360 needs to have solid hits in a variety of genres and learn to appeal to a broader audience. Halo will sell alot of copies but will it sell alot of consoles, I dont think it will sell much more then it did last gen. And MGS not coming to the 360 is far from a mistake because last gen. the Xbox fanbase shunned MGS2. Also when MGS4 comes out the PS3 will have a much larger install base then 2.5 mill. dont be naive. The truth is the PS3 is selling consistently well in Japan, NA and Europe. The 360 is selling well in NA only and ok in Europe and poor in Japan. So basically its fanbase which is NA is also covered with releasing it on the PS3 as well as getting the Japanese audience that the 360 cant get.
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[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]You post a Pre-Alpha shot of Halo 3, thus opening the flood gates. Halo 3 will dominate the sales this year, the only game that has a shot is GTA IV.

Stop with the BS exuses. btw MGS4 = teh pre-alpha. And still looks miles better than Halo 3. Another thing, explain how the previous halo 3 trailer(not the CG one) looked so much better, then turns to this?

You do know it says Pre-Alpha in the bottom left side of the screen right?

360 fans don't listen. Teh pre-alpha is a BS excuse. And explain what happened to the previous trailers great graphics?
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#16 jdknight21
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Where on earth did you get the numbers of people old enough to buy M rated games on each system?  What a joke.
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360 owners 10 million
PS3 owners 3 million.

By end of the year

360 owners 15 million
PS3 owners 9 million

-The people to young to buy M rated games

360 owners 11 million
Ps3 owners 6 million

Halo 3 - 2.7 million By end of year
Metal Gear solid 4 2.5 Million by end of year
ASSUMING RELEASE DATES ARE BOTH NOVEMBER

 

But honestly MEtal Gear Solid 4 already looks, and plays better than Halo 3.

ah

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LOL when you watch that trailer they say specifically that thats Halo2 graphics.
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Halo3 will probably have more sales but quote me on this- MGS4 will score higher on GS then H3, and if it doesn't I will never post in SW again.
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#20 Bansheesdie
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360 fans don't listen. Teh pre-alpha is a BS excuse. And explain what happened to the previous trailers great graphics? Adrian_Cloud
In-engine (E3 '06) showing off what Halo 3 will look like in the end, and a Pre-Alpha build (ViDoc) with no date and proof saying that its pre-alpha.
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#21 jonpeck
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Halo 3 as it is the only thing evry 360 owner is hoping will win it for xbox

 God please be it mediocre i never could enjoy single player.Live was alright

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Simple, which game will dominate the next gen sales?

Us lemmings have to face the facts.  Either Sony paid Kojima a load of money or he's just too stubborn to want to sell more games.  Xbox360 will NOT be getting MGS4.

In my opinion it is the BIGGEST mistake for Kojima not to bring MGS4 to the Xbox360. Sales would be atleast triple to what it would be if it stayed exclusively on PS3. 10 mill install base vs 2.5 mill. And don't BS about how the XBox360 can't handle it because as all multi plat games shows, they mostly look better on the Xbox360.

 

 

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If Sony drops the price of the console the base will grow.
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#23 IMuGGeDSaTaN
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Halo3 will sell more because not only does it more people to sell to but the game is a bigger franchise that more people know about. Alot of people at school know what Halo3 is even if they have never played a videogame.
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#24 rdo
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halo3 will sell over twice as many copies and mgs,  and it dosn't matter than they are both only on one console.  even if mgs were released on the 360,  and even if it came out before halo3,  halo3 would still over double it in sales.  halo3 would out sell mgs if mgs were multi platform.  i think halo3 will sell over 5 million this year.
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[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]You post a Pre-Alpha shot of Halo 3, thus opening the flood gates.

Halo 3 will dominate the sales this year, the only game that has a shot is GTA IV.Adrian_Cloud

Stop with the BS exuses.

btw MGS4 = teh pre-alpha. And still looks miles better than Halo 3. Another thing, explain how the previous halo 3 trailer(not the CG one) looked so much better, then turns to this?

Because Konami focused on the graphics and cutscenes, while Bungie is focusing on the multiplayer first. Besides, if you really think Halo 3 will look like what was shown in the documentary, you are even more naive then I thought. Did you not clearly see many objects and textures unfinished? I mean they actually showed completley untextured things in the video and you think that is representitive on the final game? Bungie has commented plently of times how the graphics keep on getting better with every build.

You need to realise that different companies focus on different things during early development. I should know this as I'm a QA Functionality Tester for an outsourcing company and I see builds of next-gen games come in with graphics changing all the time.

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[QUOTE="jdknight21"]Where on earth did you get the numbers of people young enough to buy M rated games on each system? What a joke.Adrian_Cloud

your pathetic, just complaining about some elses post, because you can't think of anything intelligent. Try and stay on topic, and make an opinion about what the TC asked.

What is so intelligent about posting random demographic #s with no proof to back up your statement?  The topic is sales, and I asked where you got your #s.  The numbers are relevant to sales, far from off-topic.  This is some very poor trolling man.
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]360 fans don't listen. Teh pre-alpha is a BS excuse. And explain what happened to the previous trailers great graphics? Bansheesdie
In-engine (E3 '06) showing off what Halo 3 will look like in the end, and a Pre-Alpha build (ViDoc) with no date and proof saying that its pre-alpha.

1. That in-engine explanation is crap for these reasons...... a)no a.i b)no physics c)not actualy gameplay d)very little enviroment shown e) added effects, since its a cut-scene. I mean you can't really be that gullable. Pre-alpha is a BS excuse when they almost show to different games, and the two games were comparing were both shown in pre-alpha. Metal Gear Solid 4 is undoubtedly superior. As system seller, halo 3 will sell more, i said that in my first post. But when it comes down to it right now, MGS4 is the more complete game.
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#28 IMuGGeDSaTaN
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Halo3 will probably have more sales but quote me on this, MGS4 will score higher on GS then H3.CRUNK3050

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#29 elementz28
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Its hard to say because all PS3 owners right now well get Metal Gear Solid 4.It will sell  1 million really quick...And now that Kojima announced that its exclusive many people is deciding to get the ps3 when MGS4 comes out..
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#30 elementz28
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[QUOTE="CRUNK3050"]Halo3 will probably have more sales but quote me on this, MGS4 will score higher on GS then H3.IMuGGeDSaTaN

Im putting you in my sig.

 

same MGS4 will score higher..Halo 3 is probaly just goin to be another FPS game. 

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#31 Bgrngod
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Sticking to the TC's topic here. Halo 3 is going to trounce MGS4 in sales. It may or may not be better, but it will sell more. Halo is clearly MS's #1 franchise and they will throw out a ton of marketting money for it. MGS4 is high on Sony's list, but is certainly not as important to them as Halo is to MS. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a single ad for MGS4 at all when it is released. Halo 3 will be everywhere ad wise.
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="jdknight21"]Where on earth did you get the numbers of people young enough to buy M rated games on each system? What a joke.jdknight21

your pathetic, just complaining about some elses post, because you can't think of anything intelligent. Try and stay on topic, and make an opinion about what the TC asked.

What is so intelligent about posting random demographic #s with no proof to back up your statement? The topic is sales, and I asked where you got your #s. The numbers can = sales, far from off-topic. This is some very poor trolling man.

Conversation ends now. A) I simply based my opinion on what i see, and the games that sell the most. I gaurantee you if most ofthe 360 owners were old enough tobuy gear they would have. GEars sales 4-5 million, 360 owners 9-10.5 million. Just estimate from there. The numbers can equal sales for both games, but i'm not benig biased at all. The majority of poeple who own PS3 are of the more mature audience. The 360 owners are more spread out.
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#33 IMuGGeDSaTaN
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LOL.
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#34 thinicer
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Halo 3 will undoubtably sell more copies and you have to believe that no matter what kind of fanboy you are.
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#35 HarlockJC
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With the MGS movie comming out who knows......I also think that because of the MGS movie being made by Sony is why MGS4 is Sony only
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#36 SmoothMoved
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Halo is a casual gaming series, the third one is bound to sell more than mgs4 . But other than the multi-player people will soon forget about out . While mgs4 will be memborable .
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1. That in-engine explanation is crap for these reasons......
a)no a.i
b)no physics
c)not actualy gameplay
d)very little enviroment shown
e) added effects, since its a cut-scene.

I mean you can't really be that gullable.

Pre-alpha is a BS excuse when they almost show to different games, and the two games were comparing were both shown in pre-alpha. Metal Gear Solid 4 is undoubtedly superior.

As system seller, halo 3 will sell more, i said that in my first post. But when it comes down to it right now, MGS4 is the more complete game. Adrian_Cloud

Bungie was focused on gameplay and AI in their videos and Updates. Konami is focused on graphics.
In the E3 06 Trailer it was more to show off Halo 3 then anything else. You weren't meant to see anything other then the new Chief and the landscapes.

Also, Bungie has said many times that everything in E3 06 Halo 3 Trailer is real, the Chief, the reflection of the Chief's visor, the mountains out in the distance, everything.

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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"]You post a Pre-Alpha shot of Halo 3, thus opening the flood gates.

Halo 3 will dominate the sales this year, the only game that has a shot is GTA IV.jack244


Stop with the BS exuses.

btw MGS4 = teh pre-alpha. And still looks miles better than Halo 3. Another thing, explain how the previous halo 3 trailer(not the CG one) looked so much better, then turns to this?

Because Konami focused on the graphics and cutscenes, while Bungie is focusing on the multiplayer first. Besides, if you really think Halo 3 will look like what was shown in the documentary, you are even more naive then I thought. Did you not clearly see many objects and textures unfinished? I mean they actually showed completley untextured things in the video and you think that is representitive on the final game? Bungie has commented plently of times how the graphics keep on getting better with every build.

You need to realise that different companies focus on different things during early development. I should know this as I'm a QA Functionality Tester for an outsourcing company and I see builds of next-gen games come in with graphics changing all the time.

You realise the pick i had was gameplay. So physics,A.i, cahracter animation all that good stuff, was in-game. They weren't just focusing on graphics. I never said that it would look like the doc, Hopefully it will look like the previous trailer. That 360 fans were hyping, but can't anymore since of the newest screens. Graphics for games usually get better, no doubt Halo 3 will improve. Hideo Kojima said hes more focused on pushing the physchy elements into MGS4, rather than graphics.
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]1. That in-engine explanation is crap for these reasons......
a)no a.i
b)no physics
c)not actualy gameplay
d)very little enviroment shown
e) added effects, since its a cut-scene.

I mean you can't really be that gullable.

Pre-alpha is a BS excuse when they almost show to different games, and the two games were comparing were both shown in pre-alpha. Metal Gear Solid 4 is undoubtedly superior.

As system seller, halo 3 will sell more, i said that in my first post. But when it comes down to it right now, MGS4 is the more complete game. Bansheesdie

Bungie was focused on gameplay and AI in their videos and Updates. Konami is focused on graphics.
In the E3 06 Trailer it was more to show off Halo 3 then anything else. You weren't meant to see anything other then the new Chief and the landscapes. Also, Bungie has said many times that everything in Halo 3 is real, the Chief, the reflection of the Chief's visor, the mountains out in the distance, everything.

 

you obvious never played mgs games..konami focused on graphics..thats laughable..mgs4 gameplay will destory halo 3..

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[QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]1. That in-engine explanation is crap for these reasons...... a)no a.i b)no physics c)not actualy gameplay d)very little enviroment shown e) added effects, since its a cut-scene. I mean you can't really be that gullable. Pre-alpha is a BS excuse when they almost show to different games, and the two games were comparing were both shown in pre-alpha. Metal Gear Solid 4 is undoubtedly superior. As system seller, halo 3 will sell more, i said that in my first post. But when it comes down to it right now, MGS4 is the more complete game.

Bungie was focused on gameplay and AI in their videos and Updates. Konami is focused on graphics. In the E3 06 Trailer it was more to show off Halo 3 then anything else. You weren't meant to see anything other then the new Chief and the landscapes. Also, Bungie has said many times that everything in Halo 3 is real, the Chief, the reflection of the Chief's visor, the mountains out in the distance, everything.

The funny thing is that both you and Jack are saying the same crap. So i'll just post the same comment. You realise the pic i had was gameplay. So physics,A.i, cahracter animation all that good stuff, was in-game. They weren't just focusing on graphics. I never said that it would look like the doc, Hopefully it will look like the previous trailer. That 360 fans were hyping, but can't anymore since of the newest screens. Graphics for games usually get better, no doubt Halo 3 will improve. Hideo Kojima said hes more focused on pushing the physchy elements into MGS4, rather than graphics. Thats great that everything was said to be real, but once the gameplay starts, they will like every other developing company have to sacrifice certain elements for frame-rate, animation and that nice stuff. Its not even an argument. Halo 3 will sell more, but MGS4 is already the more complete game.
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#42 blackace
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Halo 3 will outsell MGS4. The PS3 isn't going to sell 9 million PS3 by the end of the year. They will probably sell about 2 million more in the U.S. and about 1 million more everywhere else. So maybe between 3-4 more + the 2.5 million they've already sold. So just over 6.5 million I'd say. That's more realistic. XBox 360 should be over 15 million by the end of the year and the Wii will probably be around 12-13 million if it sales continue at their current pace.
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you obvious never played mgs games..konami focused on graphics..thats laughable..mgs4 gameplay will destory halo 3.. elementz28

According to what? MGS 3 scored an 8 in gameplay, and Halo 2 a 10. MGS 2 scored a 9 in Gameplay, and Combat Evolved a 10.

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A) I simply based my opinion on what i see, and the games that sell the most. I gaurantee you if most ofthe 360 owners were old enough tobuy gear they would have. GEars sales 4-5 million, 360 owners 9-10.5 million. Just estimate from there. The numbers can equal sales for both games, but i'm not benig biased at all. The majority of poeple who own PS3 are of the more mature audience. The 360 owners are more spread out. Adrian_Cloud

Yes, the conversation does end because it is nonsense.  You have nothing to back up that the majority of PS3 owners are 'of the more mature audience'.  In fact, with so many M rated games in their line-up you would think the opposite, but I'm not going to claim 'fact' on something that can't be proven.  Halo 3 should sell more than Gears, that is opinion.  Saying the majority of owners are mature age is opinion.  I can do it:  Only spoiled middle upper-cla$$ to upper-cla$$ kids and tech heads own the PS3.  See how I come off, it goes both ways.  Plenty of people of different ages get ahold of M rated games so that point is moot.  Why would you say 2.7 when Gears has outsold that, it negates any #s you gave even if they are out of thin air?

 

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#45 air0123
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Halo 3 - 2.7 million By end of year
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You think Halo will sell worse than Gears of War? 

I won't be surprised if Halo does 2 million in 24 hours, heck maybe even 3 million. When it gets close to the release of Halo 3, there will be no other games that will be talked about. When H3 is actually released, it will be covered on National TV, not just video game sites, there will be gigantic release parties, with thousands of people, and bunches of celebs, because everyone plays Halo. MGS4 will just be released, it will not be an event like H3.
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Halo will sell more, but MGS4 will be the better game
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]The funny thing is that both you and Jack are saying the same crap. So i'll just post the same comment. You realise the pic i had was gameplay. So physics,A.i, cahracter animation all that good stuff, was in-game. They weren't just focusing on graphics. I never said that it would look like the doc, Hopefully it will look like the previous trailer. That 360 fans were hyping, but can't anymore since of the newest screens. Graphics for games usually get better, no doubt Halo 3 will improve. Hideo Kojima said hes more focused on pushing the physchy elements into MGS4, rather than graphics. Thats great that everything was said to be real, but once the gameplay starts, they will like every other developing company have to sacrifice certain elements for frame-rate, animation and that nice stuff. Its not even an argument. Halo 3 will sell more, but MGS4 is already the more complete game.

Bungie releases graphics every week, its just not in picture form. Its in Bungie's Weekly Updates.
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Even though i much prefer MGS to Halo I have to admit that Halo 3 will sell more. Even though i considered Halo 2 a massively overrated game, casuals love it. No matter how good Halo 3 is, there will be hordes and hordes of people buying it.
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#50 BK-Sleeper
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Halo 2 and MGS3 released at the same time. Check out what happened there.DaysAirlines
I didn't know MGS3 was released the same time Halo 2 was. . . .