Satisfied PS2 customers will more than likely transfer to the PS3.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I agree the Xbox brand name isn't as strong as Sony's Playstation brand name. Does this mean it will remain as such? No.

And it's not just Halo that the Xbox franchise is bringing to the table in terms of gamers and casuals. Halo is just a heavy player nowadays.

I don't think the markets between the Wii and PS3 are as different as you probably do.

the-very-best

Quick question: what's a "non-gamer" once he/she starts gaming?

You can keep giving out of market examples, but the simple fact of the matter is our market isn't that predictable. Market carry over already failed a very well known company at least once in our market. Brand name is nice, but it's not a definitive basis of success.

If history has taught us anything, it's that the success of a previous console doesn't equate to it's predecessor being as successful.

N64 for example.

People will buy a console for games and price, not brand loyalty.

Donkey_Puncher

I think the wii has replaced the playstation as the "gaming console"sonicare

[QUOTE="Sensui1986"]Lots of people will just buy the PS3 because it bears the name of "Playstation", instead of just looking up information and then choose to buy a console.-Sir-Poof-

Maybe thats because for the past 2 gens it was a guarantee that u were gonna get amazing games.with the PS brand.

Quick question: what's a "non-gamer" once he/she starts gaming?

You can keep giving out of market examples, but the simple fact of the matter is our market isn't that predictable. Market carry over already failed a very well known company at least once in our market. Brand name is nice, but it's not a definitive basis of success.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I call losing DQIX to the DS a pretty heavy blow for the eastern markets and Sony.

the-very-best

Not a huge factor? Sony loses a huge eastern franchise from the PS namebrand and it's not a factor? I don't care that it's on a handheld, that doesn't diminsh the fact it's no longer found on a PS product.

DQ trumps FF in Japan BTW.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]I think the wii has replaced the playstation as the "gaming console"shsonline

It's what everyone is talking about.  When "casual" gamers around me talk about gaming, they always talk about the wii.

Not a huge factor? Sony loses a huge eastern franchise from the PS namebrand and it's not a factor? I don't care that it's on a handheld, that doesn't diminsh the fact it's no longer found on a PS product.

DQ trumps FF in Japan BTW.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Quick question: what's a "non-gamer" once he/she starts gaming?

You can keep giving out of market examples, but the simple fact of the matter is our market isn't that predictable. Market carry over already failed a very well known company at least once in our market. Brand name is nice, but it's not a definitive basis of success.

the-very-best

I know, my question was really rhetorical. The "non-gamer" people refer to here is essentially the casual gamer once they start gaming. The only difference is, going back to how this market is dynamic, that these new casuals are entering gaming a little different than in the past (seeing a sports title for instance).

"Casuals" don't always have to like the same games, nor does the limit of "popular" games always need to remain the same. Games like Wii Sports have the ability (if they haven't already) to be the latest "popular". See I don't shoe horn casuals all under the same roof, nor do i shoe horn the idea that only this group of games are what do/will attract casuals.

I'm just repeating something most people already know but it seems to be an overlooked point that hardcore gamers/casuals who were/are happy with their PS2 will more than likely make the transfer to the PS3 in 2 years or so.

SW is a little surprising to me because most people in here already own a current gen (PS3, 360, Wii) console yet traditionally consumers wait around 2 years before buying a new console.

In 2 years the PS3 will already have all the major series that made the PS2 so successful.

"But that's waiting". No. I'm not arguing that the console will be worth the purchase in 2 years. I'm saying that's when PS3 will win/start to obviously win the console war.

Just want to point that out because many seem to overlook that. Anyway, what do you think about it?
the-very-best

I know, my question was really rhetorical. The "non-gamer" people refer to here is essentially the casual gamer once they start gaming. The only difference is, going back to how this market is dynamic, that these new casuals are entering gaming a little different than in the past (seeing a sports title for instance).

"Casuals" don't always have to like the same games, nor does the limit of "popular" games always need to remain the same. Games like Wii Sports have the ability (if they haven't already) to be the latest "popular". See I don't shoe horn casuals all under the same roof, nor do i shoe horn the idea that only this group of games are what do/will attract casuals.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Not a huge factor? Sony loses a huge eastern franchise from the PS namebrand and it's not a factor? I don't care that it's on a handheld, that doesn't diminsh the fact it's no longer found on a PS product.

DQ trumps FF in Japan BTW.

the-very-best

It should be a concern regardless. It's a lost game regardless of where it went (and the Wii is a getting a DQ game, just to make sure we're on the same page). Level 5 doesn't determine where DQ games, the publisher and IP owner, SE, determines those kind of choices.

And keep in mind DQ, FF etc could all leave the PS namebrand (just going of your "Keep in mind DQ may still go to PS3 eventually" statement).

It would be bigger for the Wii if it was going there, however, it's still lost from Sony's library either way.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I know, my question was really rhetorical. The "non-gamer" people refer to here is essentially the casual gamer once they start gaming. The only difference is, going back to how this market is dynamic, that these new casuals are entering gaming a little different than in the past (seeing a sports title for instance).

"Casuals" don't always have to like the same games, nor does the limit of "popular" games always need to remain the same. Games like Wii Sports have the ability (if they haven't already) to be the latest "popular". See I don't shoe horn casuals all under the same roof, nor do i shoe horn the idea that only this group of games are what do/will attract casuals.

the-very-best

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Not a huge factor? Sony loses a huge eastern franchise from the PS namebrand and it's not a factor? I don't care that it's on a handheld, that doesn't diminsh the fact it's no longer found on a PS product.

DQ trumps FF in Japan BTW.

-RPGamer-

It should be a concern regardless. It's a lost game regardless of where it went (and the Wii is a getting a DQ game, just to make sure we're on the same page). Level 5 doesn't determine where DQ games, the publisher and IP owner, SE, determines those kind of choices.

And keep in mind DQ, FF etc could all leave the PS namebrand (just going of your "Keep in mind DQ may still go to PS3 eventually" statement).

It would be bigger for the Wii if it was going there, however, it's still lost from Sony's library either way.

I would edit the "forbidden" on my last post, but seeing as how GS can't seem to fix this simplistic errors I guess I won't... starting to think the 'G' stands for "glitch" when I'm on here. :|-RPGamer-

It should be a concern regardless. It's a lost game regardless of where it went (and the Wii is a getting a DQ game, just to make sure we're on the same page). Level 5 doesn't determine where DQ games, the publisher and IP owner, SE, determines those kind of choices.

And keep in mind DQ, FF etc could all leave the PS namebrand (just going of your "Keep in mind DQ may still go to PS3 eventually" statement).

It would be bigger for the Wii if it was going there, however, it's still lost from Sony's library either way.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"] The only difference is the type of games they play, the actual forbidden. Like I don't differentiate between a hardcore gamer that prefers FPS, and a hardcore gamer that prefers RPG. They're both hardcore gamers they just have different preferences. the-very-best

Is there any actual data on the age range for GTA games?

Further more I've watched casuals like my wife, or my friend's wife, or even my father-in-law play something like Wii Sports for hours. I mean we can generalize all day but it shows nothing.

I'm going to stand by that they're essentially the same they just have slightly different preferences.

Is there any actual data on the age range for GTA games?

Further more I've watched casuals like my wife, or my friend's wife, or even my father-in-law play something like Wii Sports for hours. I mean we can generalize all day but it shows nothing.

I'm going to stand by that they're essentially the same they just have slightly different preferences.

-RPGamer-

I If I bought a Wii or Xbox360, I would miss out on enjoying many of my favorite games. Sure, some of my favorites will also be on the 360, but all of them will be on the PS3. I'll spend the extra cash if thats what it takes to play the games I like. MgunHunter

I actually fit the kind of person the TC is talking about. I have owned both a PS1 and PS2, and at first the PS3 was the obvious choice. Of course, with the $600 price tag I had to think a little, and I simply have decided to wait and see how the PS3 turns out. The reason for waiting is not simply because its a Playstation, but its because the series I know and love are on the Playstation. MGS, Ace Combat, ZOE, Ratchet and Clank, Armored Core, Gran Turismo, and some other of my favorite series are the reason for buying a PS3. If I bought a Wii or Xbox360, I would miss out on enjoying many of my favorite games. Sure, some of my favorites will also be on the 360, but all of them will be on the PS3. I'll spend the extra cash if thats what it takes to play the games I like. MgunHunter

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

It should be a concern regardless. It's a lost game regardless of where it went (and the Wii is a getting a DQ game, just to make sure we're on the same page). Level 5 doesn't determine where DQ games, the publisher and IP owner, SE, determines those kind of choices.

And keep in mind DQ, FF etc could all leave the PS namebrand (just going of your "Keep in mind DQ may still go to PS3 eventually" statement).

It would be bigger for the Wii if it was going there, however, it's still lost from Sony's library either way.

the-very-best

I'm not saying they're "doomed" anywhere.

But each blow hurts. Another blow would be something like the Xbox 360. Yeah it's slow over there, right? Right. Yet it keeps getting this new support (new for the Xbox brand) in the form of RPGs. So a game like BD spiked sales but it didn't send the Xbox 360 flying off the shelves compared to it's competitors. What happens when more and more of these titles release and if the trend of spikes continues? You end up with a market in the region that stands a much better chance. The Xbox 360's RPG line up is a small blow that could be pretty heavy depending on what time shows us.

The Wii and/or Xbox 360 could create such a large series.

I don't know they've never tried (mine at least). This is going back to preference. You're not as likely to see a hardcore gamer that likes FPS play a RPG. Same thing here, just different style of gamer imho.

It's not so much I don't believe you, in fact I do, but I typically like numbers. :)

(sorry I didn't quote, damn glitches)

I'm not saying they're "doomed" anywhere.

But each blow hurts. Another blow would be something like the Xbox 360. Yeah it's slow over there, right? Right. Yet it keeps getting this new support (new for the Xbox brand) in the form of RPGs. So a game like BD spiked sales but it didn't send the Xbox 360 flying off the shelves compared to it's competitors. What happens when more and more of these titles release and if the trend of spikes continues? You end up with a market in the region that stands a much better chance. The Xbox 360's RPG line up is a small blow that could be pretty heavy depending on what time shows us.

The Wii and/or Xbox 360 could create such a large series.

-RPGamer-

Well that is faulty thinking in my opinion becuase they may buy Ps3, but they will have bought a 360 or a Wii. What this does is the following:

Satisfied gamecube customers will by a wii cause it is hot RIGHT now.

Satisfied X-box gamers will by a 360 cause it's hot right now.

These gamers will NOT by a Ps3 for the most part

The satisfied Ps2 gamer will get one and one of the other two for now.

So with that logic the Ps3 will get Less cause some for the satasfied Ps2 people will be happy with their Wii or 360 and decide to not get a Ps3. and the other two systems will only gain MAJOR ground.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I'm not saying they're "doomed" anywhere.

But each blow hurts. Another blow would be something like the Xbox 360. Yeah it's slow over there, right? Right. Yet it keeps getting this new support (new for the Xbox brand) in the form of RPGs. So a game like BD spiked sales but it didn't send the Xbox 360 flying off the shelves compared to it's competitors. What happens when more and more of these titles release and if the trend of spikes continues? You end up with a market in the region that stands a much better chance. The Xbox 360's RPG line up is a small blow that could be pretty heavy depending on what time shows us.

The Wii and/or Xbox 360 could create such a large series.

the-very-best

Yes, I agree so could the PS3.

I don't know they've never tried (mine at least). This is going back to preference. You're not as likely to see a hardcore gamer that likes FPS play a RPG. Same thing here, just different style of gamer imho.

It's not so much I don't believe you, in fact I do, but I typically like numbers. :)

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="MgunHunter"] If I bought a Wii or Xbox360, I would miss out on enjoying many of my favorite games. Sure, some of my favorites will also be on the 360, but all of them will be on the PS3. I'll spend the extra cash if thats what it takes to play the games I like. Magical_Zebra

I'm just repeating something most people already know but it seems to be an overlooked point that hardcore gamers/casuals who were/are happy with their PS2 will more than likely make the transfer to the PS3 in 2 years or so.

SW is a little surprising to me because most people in here already own a current gen (PS3, 360, Wii) console yet traditionally consumers wait around 2 years before buying a new console.

In 2 years the PS3 will already have all the major series that made the PS2 so successful.

"But that's waiting". No. I'm not arguing that the console will be worth the purchase in 2 years. I'm saying that's when PS3 will win/start to obviously win the console war.

Just want to point that out because many seem to overlook that. Anyway, what do you think about it?
the-very-best

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I don't know they've never tried (mine at least). This is going back to preference. You're not as likely to see a hardcore gamer that likes FPS play a RPG. Same thing here, just different style of gamer imho.

It's not so much I don't believe you, in fact I do, but I typically like numbers. :)

the-very-best

LOL, it's alright to agree to disagree then. :)

If history has taught us anything, it's that the success of a previous console doesn't equate to it's predecessor being as successful.

N64 for example.

People will buy a console for games and price, not brand loyalty.

Donkey_Puncher

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I'm not saying they're "doomed" anywhere.

But each blow hurts. Another blow would be something like the Xbox 360. Yeah it's slow over there, right? Right. Yet it keeps getting this new support (new for the Xbox brand) in the form of RPGs. So a game like BD spiked sales but it didn't send the Xbox 360 flying off the shelves compared to it's competitors. What happens when more and more of these titles release and if the trend of spikes continues? You end up with a market in the region that stands a much better chance. The Xbox 360's RPG line up is a small blow that could be pretty heavy depending on what time shows us.

The Wii and/or Xbox 360 could create such a large series.

-RPGamer-

Yes, I agree so could the PS3.

well no point in looking into the future, and making assumptions of what is going to happen. for consoles its whats going on right now. if a console does not deliver from day one, its not a great buy. and well yes the ps3 will grow in sales when theres a price drop. and right now the only thing thats stopping ppl from buying a ps3 is the price. and the lack of games. SunLord592

How many people bought Sega Genesis bought Saturn? Bought Dreamcast?

SNES the godliest console to grace this earth, how many did N64 have again?

It may or may not happen.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I'm not saying they're "doomed" anywhere.

But each blow hurts. Another blow would be something like the Xbox 360. Yeah it's slow over there, right? Right. Yet it keeps getting this new support (new for the Xbox brand) in the form of RPGs. So a game like BD spiked sales but it didn't send the Xbox 360 flying off the shelves compared to it's competitors. What happens when more and more of these titles release and if the trend of spikes continues? You end up with a market in the region that stands a much better chance. The Xbox 360's RPG line up is a small blow that could be pretty heavy depending on what time shows us.

The Wii and/or Xbox 360 could create such a large series.

iwishiwasrich

Yes, I agree so could the PS3.

All you need for just about any JRPG is a dpad/analog, a button to accept, a button to decline, and a button to enter a menu system. :|

How you figured the Xbox 360 controller was now designed to handle an RPG is beyond me.

You'd think that most SNES owners would get a N64....but alas.goblaa

Odd.

I own over 100 games for the PSX and PS2 each, and I have sadly have no interest in the PS3 until mid 2008 some time. I don't think the transfer consumer idea is fully supported. Nintendo is a great example of this concept not working.

With this mentality one would essentially be saying Sony will always be on top, which is rather foolish IMHO.

-RPGamer-

I actually fit the kind of person the TC is talking about. I have owned both a PS1 and PS2, and at first the PS3 was the obvious choice. Of course, with the $600 price tag I had to think a little, and I simply have decided to wait and see how the PS3 turns out. The reason for waiting is not simply because its a Playstation, but its because the series I know and love are on the Playstation. MGS, Ace Combat, ZOE, Ratchet and Clank, Armored Core, Gran Turismo, and some other of my favorite series are the reason for buying a PS3. If I bought a Wii or Xbox360, I would miss out on enjoying many of my favorite games. Sure, some of my favorites will also be on the 360, but all of them will be on the PS3. I'll spend the extra cash if thats what it takes to play the games I like. MgunHunter