SC: Conviction is not a stealth / good game (list of reasons why)

These claims of "redefining" the stealth genre is just bull crap. If this is what stealth games are going to be in the future, I am NEVER buying one again. It's pathetic... and here is my list.

1. Regenerating health for the first time in a SC game
2. Can't hide bodies
3. No sound meter
4. No light meter
5. Because no light meter, dynamic shadow cover is gone, so it's either they see you, or they don't.
6. Whistling has been removed
7. Silhouette shows your last known location, basically showing you where you shouldn't be
8. You only have on suppressed gun (if you didn't order the Gamestop pre-order)
9. No more stalking animations
10. On that note, no more sneaking animations at all
11. No more knife
12. Only one speed of moving while crouching - briskly
13. No more interrogating of random characters, but only of "key" characters to progress story
14. No more "codec" convos with your support team
15. Which means... Team Banter is gone.
16. Encourages shooting and killing everything (Mark and Execute is the most obvious example)
17. No more whitty humor from Sam
18. 5 hour single campaign
19. One entire mission from the campaign is a flashback to Iraq, meaning no stealth at all
20. Spy vs Merc is gone

What kind of games are we promoting these days? SC was one of my favorite franchises, and this happens? Tell me what you think.

Im gonna go ahead and counter everything you said with one sentence.

You havent played the game yet.

Im gonna go ahead and counter everything you said with one sentence.

You havent played the game yet.

Fizzman

I think people should accept the changes and move on. If you can not accept them then do not buy the game. I am upset with the removal of a few things, but it seems to be a solid game from what I am hearing.millerlight89

And yet, it still almost as stealth as MGS4. Both terrible games, one however won't be terribly overrated.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Im gonna go ahead and counter everything you said with one sentence.

You havent played the game yet.

zero_snake99

becuase you already have a copy of the game amirite?

the only valid sensible and unidiotic claim on that list is number 20.

And yet, it still almost as stealth as MGS4. Both terrible games, one however won't be terribly overrated.

-Snooze-

I think people should accept the changes and move on. If you can not accept them then do not buy the game. I am upset with the removal of a few things, but it seems to be a solid game from what I am hearing.millerlight89

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

And yet, it still almost as stealth as MGS4. Both terrible games, one however won't be terribly overrated.

millerlight89

Fair enough. One is a terrible game terribly overrated. The other is a game with a terrible demo.

becuase you already have a copy of the game amirite?

the only valid sensible and unidiotic claim on that list is number 20.

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

And yet, it still almost as stealth as MGS4. Both terrible games, one however won't be terribly overrated.

-Snooze-

Fair enough. One is a terrible game terribly overrated. The other is a game with a terrible demo.

To say MGS4 is crap just blows my mind. That game is SO GOOD. One of the best experiences I've had this generation (by the way, MGS4 doesn't advertise as a stealth game. The stealth is just an added bonus)

To say MGS4 is crap just blows my mind. That game is SO GOOD. One of the best experiences I've had this generation (by the way, MGS4 doesn't advertise as a stealth game. The stealth is just an added bonus)

Infinite_Access

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Glad to see you have played and came up with a conclusion.millerlight89

Fair enough. One is a terrible game terribly overrated. The other is a game with a terrible demo.

Don't take my opinion on it. I exagerrate a lot. Plus im a hardcore Splinter Cell fanboy. Any deviation from the norm makes me cry.

These claims of "redefining" the stealth genre is just bull crap. If this is what stealth games are going to be in the future, I am NEVER buying one again. It's pathetic... and here is my list.

1. Regenerating health for the first time in a SC game Double Agent
2. Can't hide bodies Doesn't fit with new gameplay tbh
3. No sound meter Not necessary, silent crouch
4. No light meter Black and white system
5. Because no light meter, dynamic shadow cover is gone, so it's either they see you, or they don't. Fair point, I don't like this.
6. Whistling has been removed Sticky cam music, whistling wasn't ever realistic
7. Silhouette shows your last known location, basically showing you where you shouldn't be It's to help newbs who get detected
8. You only have on suppressed gun (if you didn't order the Gamestop pre-order) Shotgun is not only supressed gun.
9. No more stalking animations Yes there is, go right behind an enemy and Sam will change his stance.
10. On that note, no more sneaking animations at all ^
11. No more knife Not necessary, it's superflous with the awesome Krav Maga takedowns.
12. Only one speed of moving while crouching - briskly yep
13. No more interrogating of random characters, but only of "key" characters to progress story yep, but it's much more cinematic and fun.
14. No more "codec" convos with your support team This isn't MGS, what are you talking about?
15. Which means... Team Banter is gone. Huh?
16. Encourages shooting and killing everything (Mark and Execute is the most obvious example) Yep, sam is pissed he doesn't care.
17. No more whitty humor from Sam Just not true.
18. 5 hour single campaign Hmm, when did you play?
19. One entire mission from the campaign is a flashback to Iraq, meaning no stealth at all Diversity.
20. Spy vs Merc is gone Never played it, but fair enough.

What kind of games are we promoting these days? SC was one of my favorite franchises, and this happens? Tell me what you think.

zero_snake99

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Fair enough. One is a terrible game terribly overrated. The other is a game with a terrible demo.

-Snooze-

Don't take my opinion on it. I exagerrate a lot. Plus im a hardcore Splinter Cell fanboy. Any deviation from the norm makes me cry.

LOL wut? :lol:

I stopped reading at the first reason because it's obvious that you don't know much about the SC games.

I finished the game today and I can safely say that it's the worst game in the series without question. Everything has been simplified beyond belief. If they wanted to change the formula so drastically, they should have just made a new IP. This just isn't Splinter Cell anymore. :(

The short singleplayer stopped me from pre-ordering it.

I was hoping for AC2 in modern times. :(

These claims of "redefining" the stealth genre is just bull crap. If this is what stealth games are going to be in the future, I am NEVER buying one again. It's pathetic... and here is my list.

1. Regenerating health for the first time in a SC game
2. Can't hide bodies
3. No sound meter
4. No light meter
5. Because no light meter, dynamic shadow cover is gone, so it's either they see you, or they don't.
6. Whistling has been removed
7. Silhouette shows your last known location, basically showing you where you shouldn't be
8. You only have on suppressed gun (if you didn't order the Gamestop pre-order)
9. No more stalking animations
10. On that note, no more sneaking animations at all
11. No more knife
12. Only one speed of moving while crouching - briskly
13. No more interrogating of random characters, but only of "key" characters to progress story
14. No more "codec" convos with your support team
15. Which means... Team Banter is gone.
16. Encourages shooting and killing everything (Mark and Execute is the most obvious example)
17. No more whitty humor from Sam
18. 5 hour single campaign
19. One entire mission from the campaign is a flashback to Iraq, meaning no stealth at all
20. Spy vs Merc is gone

What kind of games are we promoting these days? SC was one of my favorite franchises, and this happens? Tell me what you think.

zero_snake99

The game "encourages" shooting and killing everything, yet you can still go through being stealthy.

Why would Sam crack one liners when he's pissed off about his daughters death? If someone is in a cheery mood after their daughter dies, something isn't wired right upstairs.

The single campaign is more than five hours. I'm getting tired of people using Hilary saying that, on his third damn playthrough, it took him five hours. Most people can get through a game rather quickly on their third playthrough when you know where to go and what to do. You don't believe me that others have gotten to at least eight hours before finally getting towards the end, just check the forum on Ubisoft's site or a forum like NeoGaf.

I don't really have a problem with the Iraq mission. It helps tell part of the story, I can forgive one mission with NO option for stealth if it helps progress the story.

All of this is just an opinion on why YOU don't think it will be a good game.

The short singleplayer stopped me from pre-ordering it.

I was hoping for AC2 in modern times. :(

UnknownSniper65

An open world light social stealth action adventure? We've known it's not that for quite some time, lol. O_o

I finished the game today and I can safely say that it's the worst game in the series without question. Everything has been simplified beyond belief. If they wanted to change the formula so drastically, they should have just made a new IP. This just isn't Splinter Cell anymore. :(

Sserv

UbiSoft should of stuck to the original concept they had for SC: C IMO.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

The short singleplayer stopped me from pre-ordering it.

I was hoping for AC2 in modern times. :(

SgtKevali

An open world light social stealth action adventure? We've known it's not that for quite some time, lol. O_o

I didn't really pay too much attention to it...just a couple of videos I saw.

UbiSoft should of stuck to the original concept they had for SC: C IMO.

jasonharris48

I think people should accept the changes and move on.millerlight89

When you say move on. Theres nothing to move on to. Everything has been toned down into an action title for the casuals that want their 5 hour adrenaline rush fix.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

UbiSoft should of stuck to the original concept they had for SC: C IMO.

millerlight89

It was social stealth with no L&S.

UbiSoft should of stuck to the original concept they had for SC: C IMO.

jasonharris48

So we could have "hardcore" fans (who have been around for one or two games) complaining about hobo Sam and everything being in broad daylight? I remember back when it looked like that is what they were going to do, just about everyone was saying WTF. Even had me, who is extremely excited for Conviction and more than willing to except change, wondering what they were doing with the series.

So basically you are saying that because it isn't like every other Splinter Cell game it's bad. That's nonsense. You cannot say "These things are what make a game a stealth game" and define that absolutely as a stealth game. Hell, if you did that then MGS isn't a stealth series.

Both MGS 4 and Splinter Cell have ALWAYS been action games with stealth mechanics. Splinter Cell has been more stealth based than MGS (IMO) but as the producers have said MULTIPLE times, Sam Fisher no longer works for Third Echelon and his tactics have changed.

Time for you to get over it.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

UbiSoft should of stuck to the original concept they had for SC: C IMO.

SgtKevali

It was social stealth with no L&S.

So basically you are saying that because it isn't like every other Splinter Cell game it's bad. That's nonsense. You cannot say "These things are what make a game a stealth game" and define that absolutely as a stealth game. Hell, if you did that then MGS isn't a stealth series.

Both MGS 4 and Splinter Cell have ALWAYS been action games with stealth mechanics. Splinter Cell has been more stealth based than MGS (IMO) but as the producers have said MULTIPLE times, Sam Fisher no longer works for Third Echelon and his tactics have changed.

Time for you to get over it.

heretrix

not only that, but both ign and gs have said that SCC is a stealth game

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

So basically you are saying that because it isn't like every other Splinter Cell game it's bad. That's nonsense. You cannot say "These things are what make a game a stealth game" and define that absolutely as a stealth game. Hell, if you did that then MGS isn't a stealth series.

Both MGS 4 and Splinter Cell have ALWAYS been action games with stealth mechanics. Splinter Cell has been more stealth based than MGS (IMO) but as the producers have said MULTIPLE times, Sam Fisher no longer works for Third Echelon and his tactics have changed.

Time for you to get over it.

KarateeeChop

not only that, but both ign and gs have said that SCC is a stealth game

I really liked the social blending idea of the old SS concept, also Hobo Fisher was a much better character than he is now. It was like taking the Assassins creed blending to the next level.Jynxzor

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It took a dude 5 hours to complete on this third playthrough? I don't see the problem.

How long was UC1? UC2? GOW3? Not long games ... All aside from UC2 have less replayablity then SC

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

So basically you are saying that because it isn't like every other Splinter Cell game it's bad. That's nonsense. You cannot say "These things are what make a game a stealth game" and define that absolutely as a stealth game. Hell, if you did that then MGS isn't a stealth series.

Both MGS 4 and Splinter Cell have ALWAYS been action games with stealth mechanics. Splinter Cell has been more stealth based than MGS (IMO) but as the producers have said MULTIPLE times, Sam Fisher no longer works for Third Echelon and his tactics have changed.

Time for you to get over it.

heretrix

not only that, but both ign and gs have said that SCC is a stealth game

yep, that's the best way to play the demo

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

UbiSoft should of stuck to the original concept they had for SC: C IMO.

CMPunk13

So we could have "hardcore" fans (who have been around for one or two games) complaining about hobo Sam and everything being in broad daylight? I remember back when it looked like that is what they were going to do, just about everyone was saying WTF. Even had me, who is extremely excited for Conviction and more than willing to except change, wondering what they were doing with the series.

I like the idea of the new stealth system, i'm just not happy that some things from the old one didn't survive the change.

Stealth isn't just about creeping about. A Tiger is stealthy, and yet when it wants to, much like Sam it can tear people apart.

Previously SC games used stealth as THE main element, the only way to succeed. The new SC used stealth as an additional element to action game.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

These claims of "redefining" the stealth genre is just bull crap. If this is what stealth games are going to be in the future, I am NEVER buying one again. It's pathetic... and here is my list.

1. Regenerating health for the first time in a SC game Double Agent
2. Can't hide bodies Doesn't fit with new gameplay tbh
3. No sound meter Not necessary, silent crouch
4. No light meter Black and white system
5. Because no light meter, dynamic shadow cover is gone, so it's either they see you, or they don't. Fair point, I don't like this.
6. Whistling has been removed Sticky cam music, whistling wasn't ever realistic
7. Silhouette shows your last known location, basically showing you where you shouldn't be It's to help newbs who get detected
8. You only have on suppressed gun (if you didn't order the Gamestop pre-order) Shotgun is not only supressed gun.
9. No more stalking animations Yes there is, go right behind an enemy and Sam will change his stance.
10. On that note, no more sneaking animations at all ^
11. No more knife Not necessary, it's superflous with the awesome Krav Maga takedowns.
12. Only one speed of moving while crouching - briskly yep
13. No more interrogating of random characters, but only of "key" characters to progress story yep, but it's much more cinematic and fun.
14. No more "codec" convos with your support team This isn't MGS, what are you talking about?
15. Which means... Team Banter is gone. Huh?
16. Encourages shooting and killing everything (Mark and Execute is the most obvious example) Yep, sam is pissed he doesn't care.
17. No more whitty humor from Sam Just not true.
18. 5 hour single campaign Hmm, when did you play?
19. One entire mission from the campaign is a flashback to Iraq, meaning no stealth at all Diversity.
20. Spy vs Merc is gone Never played it, but fair enough.

What kind of games are we promoting these days? SC was one of my favorite franchises, and this happens? Tell me what you think.

SgtKevali

Why does everyone think that if something changes or evolves, it has to be for the worst. Sure a lot of gameplay elements you're used to have been tossed out, but that's not to say plenty of new mechanics have been added in their place, or that the absence of the old mechanics somehow makes the game worse. So what if you can't hide bodies, is that really what made Splinter Cell fun for you? Do you really want stealth games to be Chaos Theory for the rest of time? Probably not. That would get old after a while. The SC series (and perhaps the stealth game genre as a whole) is evolving, and while I can't speak for the quality of Conviction, the evolution of the series as a whole doesn't make Conviction inherently bad.

No Spies vs. Mercs sucks big time, though.