SCEE to lay off game studio personnel...

Wow, I guess Microsoft and Nintendo never laid anyone off?

What I find hiliarous is Nintendo made cuts in staff over a year ago........everyone said they were falling apart, they have no where to go but down.  Where do they stand right now?

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"]

A profit when a business expected almost 20% more IS a loss in there books. Why? Because investors see it as a failing in the company, lose interests, and and the stock price lowers. That is a loss. Read the full article please.

dumfart66

Um, no it's not. A loss is when your receivables are less than your expenditures. This is basic business. Posting a loss is simple, you either file one with the SEC or you do not. Unless of course you're Enron.

A loss can have many different meanings in business. If you expect to make 20% more then you did, its considered a loss. If your stock prices fall, it is considered a loss. You are still LOSSING 20% of that profit, and no company restructures if it is making a good profit, thats not good business. Good business is adapting yes, but not completly restructuring.

 Legally they cannot have "different meanings".  Jesus I'd love to see where you went to business school.   I went to McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas at Austin.  What you said would never uttered by a professor there in a million years.   When posting a profit or loss in your SEC filings it is either one or the other.  Black or white. It is not up for speculation or interpretation.

By the way, Microsoft and other heavyweights such as Southwest Airlines have lowered earnings forecasts for several occassion over the years.  You'd have a hard time convincing anyone they posted a loss. Unreal. 

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Sony is falling appart from the inside out.

The titanic is starting to sink folks.

FatalDomain

Amazing. Are you familiar with the term streamlining? Microsoft laid off 214 people just last june. Are they sinking as well?

link? i'd love to read how they were laid off from the xbox360's side of the building, like SCEE is to sony...;)

Here you go

In 2004, Microsoft laid off 76 people in the Xbox unit. In 2003, the company cut more than 150 Microsoft Consulting Services employees from the payroll.

Microsoft's fiscal 2006 ends on June 30. On June 28, Microsoft made some internal tweaks to its channel and Microsoft Business Solutions units, moving its Small and Mid-market Solutions and Partners (SMS&P) group to report to Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner. As part of the move, former SMS&P head Orlando Ayala is moving to the emerging markets group.

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Are you trying to claim ownage from what happened in 2004 with the OG Xbox1 ?!?!? I hope you read that carefully because the layoffs in 2006 has nothing to do with the Xbox division. The article regarding Sony is recent news that could have effects on current products not old news affecting a console soon to lose its support.

Game On...

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I know Sony will say it has nothing to do about PS3 or money but people do not get laid off when things are going good.Javy03

People get layed off in companies all the time for various reasons.  Right now Sony has a whole 6 years of data from last gen. to look at what branches make money and what branches bring little to the company.  You think nobody loses jobs with MS or Nintendo, of course they do.  Thats buisness you limit expenses BEFORE it becomes a problem, not after.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

4. if the ps3 was as successful as you claim it will be, sony wouldh't have to worry about money...;) ramey70

So why did Microsoft fire anyone? Why did Exxon Mobil let almost 500 people go?

comparing one arm (SCEE) to full entities like MS (with many, many arms) or Exxon (also with many arms) really speaks volumes.

look you just don't understand the topic.

move on. ;)

In the comment I directly addressed, you mentioned Sony, not SCEE.  In addition I also posted that Microsoft's Windows arm fired people.  Is it losing money?  The people fired from Exxon Mobil were part of the exploration arm.  You'll be hard pressed to find anyone thinking that they are having trouble on that front.

okay, i'll make it easy for you:  ALL posts going forward are about SCEE..

does that help you? 

SCEE is laying off at a time when sony and their loyal fanboy base is predicting nothing but good news for the ps3 in the future.

something doesn't line up.. i'll leave you to do the math...;)

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

4. if the ps3 was as successful as you claim it will be, sony wouldh't have to worry about money...;) tango90101

So why did Microsoft fire anyone? Why did Exxon Mobil let almost 500 people go?

comparing one arm (SCEE) to full entities like MS (with many, many arms) or Exxon (also with many arms) really speaks volumes.

look you just don't understand the topic.

move on. ;)

In the comment I directly addressed, you mentioned Sony, not SCEE. In addition I also posted that Microsoft's Windows arm fired people. Is it losing money? The people fired from Exxon Mobil were part of the exploration arm. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone thinking that they are having trouble on that front.

okay, i'll make it easy for you: ALL posts going forward are about SCEE..

does that help you?

SCEE is laying off at a time when sony and their loyal fanboy base is predicting nothing but good news for the ps3 in the future.

something doesn't line up.. i'll leave you to do the math...;)

There is plenty of bad news for Sony and the PS3.  But I'm just stating that layoffs can't neccessarily be considered that unless we know all the details.  You have the opinion that any regional layoff is a bad omen. 

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Sony is falling appart from the inside out.

The titanic is starting to sink folks.

Ezgam3r

Amazing. Are you familiar with the term streamlining? Microsoft laid off 214 people just last june. Are they sinking as well?

link? i'd love to read how they were laid off from the xbox360's side of the building, like SCEE is to sony...;)

Here you go

In 2004, Microsoft laid off 76 people in the Xbox unit. In 2003, the company cut more than 150 Microsoft Consulting Services employees from the payroll.

Microsoft's fiscal 2006 ends on June 30. On June 28, Microsoft made some internal tweaks to its channel and Microsoft Business Solutions units, moving its Small and Mid-market Solutions and Partners (SMS&P) group to report to Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner. As part of the move, former SMS&P head Orlando Ayala is moving to the emerging markets group.

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Are you trying to claim ownage from what happened in 2004 with the OG Xbox1 ?!?!? I hope you read that carefully because the layoffs in 2006 has nothing to do with the Xbox division. The article regarding Sony is recent news that could have effects on current products not old news affecting a console soon to lose its support.

Game On...

yes, i'm again "self owned" for not adding a disclaimer for the cows. 

Disclaimer:  This is about this generation's impact...  not on history's...;)

Hope u guys realize The Getway PS3 will proably get delayed because of this.

[QUOTE="dumfart66"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"]

A profit when a business expected almost 20% more IS a loss in there books. Why? Because investors see it as a failing in the company, lose interests, and and the stock price lowers. That is a loss. Read the full article please.

ramey70

Um, no it's not. A loss is when your receivables are less than your expenditures. This is basic business. Posting a loss is simple, you either file one with the SEC or you do not. Unless of course you're Enron.

A loss can have many different meanings in business. If you expect to make 20% more then you did, its considered a loss. If your stock prices fall, it is considered a loss. You are still LOSSING 20% of that profit, and no company restructures if it is making a good profit, thats not good business. Good business is adapting yes, but not completly restructuring.

Legally they cannot have "different meanings". Jesus I'd love to see where you went to business school. I went to McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas at Austin. What you said would never uttered by a professor there in a million years. When posting a profit or loss in your SEC filings it is either one or the other. Black or white. It is not up for speculation or interpretation.

By the way, Microsoft and other heavyweights such as Southwest Airlines have lowered earnings forecasts for several occassion over the years. You'd have a hard time convincing anyone they posted a loss. Unreal.

Hey ramey, nice job owning. 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

4. if the ps3 was as successful as you claim it will be, sony wouldh't have to worry about money...;) ramey70

So why did Microsoft fire anyone? Why did Exxon Mobil let almost 500 people go?

comparing one arm (SCEE) to full entities like MS (with many, many arms) or Exxon (also with many arms) really speaks volumes.

look you just don't understand the topic.

move on. ;)

In the comment I directly addressed, you mentioned Sony, not SCEE. In addition I also posted that Microsoft's Windows arm fired people. Is it losing money? The people fired from Exxon Mobil were part of the exploration arm. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone thinking that they are having trouble on that front.

okay, i'll make it easy for you: ALL posts going forward are about SCEE..

does that help you?

SCEE is laying off at a time when sony and their loyal fanboy base is predicting nothing but good news for the ps3 in the future.

something doesn't line up.. i'll leave you to do the math...;)

There is plenty of bad news for Sony and the PS3.  But I'm just stating that layoffs can't neccessarily be considered that unless we know all the details.  You have the opinion that any regional layoff is a bad omen. 

oh really? 

just how many details EXACTLY would you like? 

good gawd..:roll:

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Sony is falling appart from the inside out.

The titanic is starting to sink folks.

Ezgam3r

Amazing. Are you familiar with the term streamlining? Microsoft laid off 214 people just last june. Are they sinking as well?

link? i'd love to read how they were laid off from the xbox360's side of the building, like SCEE is to sony...;)

Here you go

In 2004, Microsoft laid off 76 people in the Xbox unit. In 2003, the company cut more than 150 Microsoft Consulting Services employees from the payroll.

Microsoft's fiscal 2006 ends on June 30. On June 28, Microsoft made some internal tweaks to its channel and Microsoft Business Solutions units, moving its Small and Mid-market Solutions and Partners (SMS&P) group to report to Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner. As part of the move, former SMS&P head Orlando Ayala is moving to the emerging markets group.

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Are you trying to claim ownage from what happened in 2004 with the OG Xbox1 ?!?!? I hope you read that carefully because the layoffs in 2006 has nothing to do with the Xbox division. The article regarding Sony is recent news that could have effects on current products not old news affecting a console soon to lose its support.

Game On...

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Sony is falling appart from the inside out.

The titanic is starting to sink folks.

Eltroz

Amazing. Are you familiar with the term streamlining? Microsoft laid off 214 people just last june. Are they sinking as well?

link? i'd love to read how they were laid off from the xbox360's side of the building, like SCEE is to sony...;)

Here you go

In 2004, Microsoft laid off 76 people in the Xbox unit. In 2003, the company cut more than 150 Microsoft Consulting Services employees from the payroll.

Microsoft's fiscal 2006 ends on June 30. On June 28, Microsoft made some internal tweaks to its channel and Microsoft Business Solutions units, moving its Small and Mid-market Solutions and Partners (SMS&P) group to report to Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner. As part of the move, former SMS&P head Orlando Ayala is moving to the emerging markets group.

------------------------

Are you trying to claim ownage from what happened in 2004 with the OG Xbox1 ?!?!? I hope you read that carefully because the layoffs in 2006 has nothing to do with the Xbox division. The article regarding Sony is recent news that could have effects on current products not old news affecting a console soon to lose its support.

Game On...

WHy dont you show a link to why these people were layed off, or a link to a site that says those jobs werent outsourced to a cheaper country?? You cant, because all the info given is 160 people are fired from this department.  That is not much to jump to conclusions off of logically.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"]

A profit when a business expected almost 20% more IS a loss in there books. Why? Because investors see it as a failing in the company, lose interests, and and the stock price lowers. That is a loss. Read the full article please.

Kalias

Um, no it's not. A loss is when your receivables are less than your expenditures. This is basic business. Posting a loss is simple, you either file one with the SEC or you do not. Unless of course you're Enron.

A loss can have many different meanings in business. If you expect to make 20% more then you did, its considered a loss. If your stock prices fall, it is considered a loss. You are still LOSSING 20% of that profit, and no company restructures if it is making a good profit, thats not good business. Good business is adapting yes, but not completly restructuring.

Legally they cannot have "different meanings". Jesus I'd love to see where you went to business school. I went to McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas at Austin. What you said would never uttered by a professor there in a million years. When posting a profit or loss in your SEC filings it is either one or the other. Black or white. It is not up for speculation or interpretation.

By the way, Microsoft and other heavyweights such as Southwest Airlines have lowered earnings forecasts for several occassion over the years. You'd have a hard time convincing anyone they posted a loss. Unreal.

Hey ramey, nice job owning.

I am not saying by the legal defintion, i am saying what a LOSS is.  If you lose faith in investors and gain a lower stock price, that is a loss.  Are you going to tell me that losing stock price and investor faith is not a loss for a company.  Also, companies do consider it a loss when they do not meet their projections, since most count their chickens before they hatch. 

[QUOTE="dumfart66"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"]

A profit when a business expected almost 20% more IS a loss in there books. Why? Because investors see it as a failing in the company, lose interests, and and the stock price lowers. That is a loss. Read the full article please.

ramey70

Um, no it's not. A loss is when your receivables are less than your expenditures. This is basic business. Posting a loss is simple, you either file one with the SEC or you do not. Unless of course you're Enron.

A loss can have many different meanings in business. If you expect to make 20% more then you did, its considered a loss. If your stock prices fall, it is considered a loss. You are still LOSSING 20% of that profit, and no company restructures if it is making a good profit, thats not good business. Good business is adapting yes, but not completly restructuring.

 Legally they cannot have "different meanings".  Jesus I'd love to see where you went to business school.   I went to McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas at Austin.  What you said would never uttered by a professor there in a million years.   When posting a profit or loss in your SEC filings it is either one or the other.  Black or white. It is not up for speculation or interpretation.

By the way, Microsoft and other heavyweights such as Southwest Airlines have lowered earnings forecasts for several occassion over the years.  You'd have a hard time convincing anyone they posted a loss. Unreal.