SCEE's David Reeves Calls Out Microsoft Says they make "shoddy machines

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#1 Maxyboy13
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When asked about plans for the future by Mcvuk.com, SCEE's David Reeves had these words

"We also grow the market through new products – some work, some don't, that's just the Sony way. And on that point, another thing we have committed to for supporting market growth is putting out quality hardware – you don't grow the market by putting out shoddy machines. So we try to make sure that PS3s have a failure rate of just two to three per cent, which is very low by industry standards."

So what do you think about Reeves words? Is he being a tad cocky?

via http://kotaku.com/5114358/reeves-you-dont-grow-the-market-by-putting-out-shoddy-machines

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#2 munu9
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Sony shouldn't be talking about shoddy hardware, DRE much?
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#3 locopatho
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He didn't mention MS at all....
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#4 st1ka
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considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said that
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#5 one_on_one
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Is David Reeves the Sony version of Microsoft's Greensburg or whatever his name is?

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#6 st1ka
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Is David Reeves the Sony version of Microsoft's Greensburg or whatever his name is?

one_on_one

i miss the good ol' Phill Harrison vs Peter Moore times

those 2 were always good for a laugh

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#7 BioShockOwnz
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Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.
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#8 Maxyboy13
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[QUOTE="one_on_one"]

Is David Reeves the Sony version of Microsoft's Greensburg or whatever his name is?

st1ka

i miss the good ol' Phill Harrison vs Peter Moore times

those 2 were always good for a laugh

You could get them to fight again if you somehow managed to get Atari to challenge EA Sports. Any suggestions?:P

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#9 Eyezonmii
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Nice one, with the over done title...maybe you should post the entire article...Sony praises both Nintendo and MS in a positive way.
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#10 wooooode
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Nintendo's has always been under 1% so 2 or 3% still sounds to high. But yeah I will take that over 30% anytime.
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#11 Eyezonmii
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Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.BioShockOwnz
Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over.
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#12 FerdMertz
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Talk about hypocrisy.............I won't be forgetting the 4 PS2's I went through anytime soon. They have alot of nerve even mentioning the whole RROD thing after the DRE bit..........at least MS did something about it by extending the warraty 3 years, pretty stand up stuff if you ask me. If my memory serves me correct Sony's solution to the DRE was "what DRE?"
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Talk about hypocrisy.............I won't be forgetting the 4 PS2's I went through anytime soon. They have alot of nerve even mentioning the whole RROD thing after the DRE bit..........at least MS did something about it by extending the warraty 3 years, pretty stand up stuff if you ask me. If my memory serves me correct Sony's solution to the DRE was "what DRE?"FerdMertz
my 360 suffers DRE, MS didn't offer me any solution.. then again my hdd also died so i can relate to being disappointed with shoddy hardware
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considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatst1ka
PS1 was unreliable? I still have my PS1 from 1997 and it still works like a charm.
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#15 XenogearsMaster
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Yup, 360 is a shoddy machine.
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#16 W1NGMAN-
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Where does he mention the 360?
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#17 Silent-Hal
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[QUOTE="st1ka"]considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatjfcundiff
PS1 was unreliable? I still have my PS1 from 1997 and it still works like a charm.

I managed to get through about 3 different PS1s before getting a PS2. My original fat PS2 however has been running for over 7 years and still works fine :P.
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#18 alextheman123
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All I know is that my LAUNCH PS1 still works perfectly fine, as well as my 4 year PS2 slim. Also the problems 360 has had in its life cycle is far worse then any issues PS1 or PS2 ever had.
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Jeesh my Shoddy Xbox 360 is holding up fine after almost 3 years. My first PSX lived a little bit longer than it's first year.
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Talk about hypocrisy.............I won't be forgetting the 4 PS2's I went through anytime soon. They have alot of nerve even mentioning the whole RROD thing after the DRE bit..........at least MS did something about it by extending the warraty 3 years, pretty stand up stuff if you ask me. If my memory serves me correct Sony's solution to the DRE was "what DRE?"FerdMertz
Just curious, how many of those four (if any) were actually covered by Sony? Everyone up until recent has been covered by the MS three year.
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#21 WAIW
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If the past decade is anything to go by, gamers love to buy faulty video game hardware.
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#22 Zhengi
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He must have forgotten about the PS2 DREs.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.Eyezonmii
Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over.

based upon opinion or fact? cause i say that DRE was just as bad.
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[QUOTE="FerdMertz"]Talk about hypocrisy.............I won't be forgetting the 4 PS2's I went through anytime soon. They have alot of nerve even mentioning the whole RROD thing after the DRE bit..........at least MS did something about it by extending the warraty 3 years, pretty stand up stuff if you ask me. If my memory serves me correct Sony's solution to the DRE was "what DRE?"phoonbaba098
Just curious, how many of those four (if any) were actually covered by Sony? Everyone up until recent has been covered by the MS three year.

None of them. The first PS2 I had lasted about 3-4 months. When I called about getting it replaced the said they would fix it for free but wanted to charge me well over $100 for shipping or something. The second and third ones both lasted less than 3 months and I returned them to Wal-Mart where I purchased them. The fourth one lasted about 6-9 months and after I got the DRE a handful of times I took it to Gamespot and traded it in for an Xbox before it got too bad off.

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#25 ps3_owns_360Wii
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nnow this is pretty ironic...
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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.WilliamRLBaker
Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over.

based upon opinion or fact? cause i say that DRE was just as bad.

I agree. Along with the four that I went through every single one of my friends' PS2's crapped out. On the other hand only one of my friends' 360's have went belly up (2x's). I'm sure I could be proven wrong but the internet is alot more common household product now than it was when the PS2 launched. When the 360 had problems it seemed like the whole world ran to the internet to complain about it. If as many people had the internet back then it would have seemed just as bad.

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#27 kyacat
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David is the find one to talk doesn't he remember ps1 and ps2 DRE
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#28 Dead-Memories
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I cannot take anything Sony says or does seriously after what they did to SWG.

I ultimately swore an oath to not buy anything sony or sony-related... call me a fanboy if you must....

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#29 signore
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even the most thick headed xbot lemming cannot deny they have the poorest built of all consoles, and that this statement is 100% true. Not bashing the games, or anything... but come on, the 360 (hardware) is junk.
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#30 DivinitySkate
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.Eyezonmii
Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over.

Yes and the ps2 burned out laser and failed customer support, which costed money and self installment makes the RRoD look like heaven. In response Sony has no ground to stand on Microsoft is one of the most successful company's on the planet while Sony's sales, reputation, and overall appeal has dropped like a rock. Nobody is buying there products (not ps3 other stuff). Microsoft will never go out of business and remains solid even with these bad economic times. Not to mention that if Microsoft wanted to they can exclude there software to Sony's hardware Sony would be dead or cheap without Microsoft supporting there computer business that's the only thing keeping them alive there camera's and tv's, and walkmans are dead.
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#31 DivinitySkate
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even the most thick headed xbot lemming cannot deny they have the poorest built of all consoles, and that this statement is 100% true. Not bashing the games, or anything... but come on, the 360 (hardware) is junk.signore
More like the clamps holding the motherboard straight, or the case design everything in the 360 is great. The RROD is because the case is small and heats the clamp that hold the motherboard and it snaps. You can buy new clamps microsoft are to lazy to do anything though. But the jasper is much smaller and will not fail.
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#32 Gun-Unit
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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.WilliamRLBaker
Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over.

based upon opinion or fact? cause i say that DRE was just as bad.

DRE was only 10% and you could fits it easy,i did with mying.Thats nowheres near the 33% that RROD has.
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#33 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.Eyezonmii
Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over.

Did you start gaming this gen or at the end of last gen?
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#34 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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There's no mention of Microsoft...he's just saying the PS3 is a piece of quality hardware. Of course that's impossible to guarantee.
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#35 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] Lol, too bad the RROD makes DRE look like a push over. Gun-Unit
based upon opinion or fact? cause i say that DRE was just as bad.

DRE was only 10% and you could fits it easy,i did with mying.Thats nowheres near the 33% that RROD has.

Even if your made up numbers were correct that would imply that more DREs occurred then RROD's do to so many more PS2's being on the market. Thats why people say that DRE wasn't common it only happened to X/Y people they don't realize how many systems were out. Too be honest though I am sick of hardware issues in console gaming. I thought only PC gaming was supposed to have hardware issues according to the consolites. Oh and PSP3000 dead pixels as well Sony.
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#36 signore
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is there any way to know if youre getting a jasper 360?
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#37 lawlessx
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so are we supposed to pretend the ps2 didnt have the DRE?

i knew tons of guys that had 2-3 or even more ps2's over the course of it's prime so for them to even say that is ridiculous

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#38 Gun-Unit
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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] based upon opinion or fact? cause i say that DRE was just as bad.Blackbond
DRE was only 10% and you could fits it easy,i did with mying.Thats nowheres near the 33% that RROD has.

Even if your made up numbers were correct that would imply that more DREs occurred then RROD's do to so many more PS2's being on the market. Thats why people say that DRE wasn't common it only happened to X/Y people they don't realize how many systems were out. Too be honest though I am sick of hardware issues in console gaming. I thought only PC gaming was supposed to have hardware issues according to the consolites. Oh and PSP3000 dead pixels as well Sony.

Those numbers been posted on these forums many times in the past its not my fault i been here a long time.You do realize that on a fanbase of 100 million its going to look more common then it actually is .
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#39 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Gun-Unit"] DRE was only 10% and you could fits it easy,i did with mying.Thats nowheres near the 33% that RROD has.Gun-Unit
Even if your made up numbers were correct that would imply that more DREs occurred then RROD's do to so many more PS2's being on the market. Thats why people say that DRE wasn't common it only happened to X/Y people they don't realize how many systems were out. Too be honest though I am sick of hardware issues in console gaming. I thought only PC gaming was supposed to have hardware issues according to the consolites. Oh and PSP3000 dead pixels as well Sony.

Those numbers been posted on these forums many times in the past its not my fault i been here a long time.You do realize that on a fanbase of 100 million its going to look more common then it actually is .

And because they've been posted on a forum infested with fanboys they must be true numbers right? I'd need to see this link with these numbers on RROD and DRE but they really don't interest me anyways. All the numbers are pretty much fabrications of fanboys. Point is DRE was an issue and to say that it wasn't comparable to RROD is luda. They both suck.. If its one thing nintendo can actually do right its reliability. How do companies that make electronics get beat by nintendo in reliability?
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shoddy at least microsofts games are good selling and not announced years ahead of time like sony
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#41 Pariah_001
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The 30 odd percent number wasn't simply posted by "fanboys." It was based on accumulated sales info from numerous retailers.

DRE has still yet to be given any truly hard numbers from retailers, but lord knows people aren't being forced to ship massive amounts of PS2s back and forth from Sony like Microsoft has to do with the 360s.

Of course that won't keep the Microsoft faithful from claiming that a lawsuit against Sony proves that DRE was somehow worse than RROD.

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#42 67gt500
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Newsflash everyone!!! A Sony exec has revealed that xbox360's are notoriously unreliable!!
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#43 Blackbond
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The 30 odd percent number wasn't simply posted by "fanboys." It was based on accumulated sales info from numerous retailers.

DRE has still yet to be given any truly hard numbers from retailers, but lord knows people aren't being forced to ship massive amounts of PS2s back and forth from Sony like Microsoft has to do with the 360s.

Of course that won't keep the Microsoft faithful from claiming that a lawsuit against Sony proves that DRE was somehow worse than RROD.

Pariah_001
He says 33% you say 30%. He says 10% for DRE you say they still have yet to give any hard numbers. This is exactly what I am talking about.
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#44 Bravo_Delta
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shoddy at least microsofts games are good selling and not announced years ahead of time like sonynaruto7777

And what does that have to do with the topic currently being discussed.

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#45 campzor
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[QUOTE="st1ka"]considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatjfcundiff
PS1 was unreliable? I still have my PS1 from 1997 and it still works like a charm.

i think all the people that had the problem with the sony consoles seriously cant take care of their machines..... I have all sony products from launch dating bak till the ps1 and they all work perfectly and ive used em like theirs no tomorrow...
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#46 Gun-Unit
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[QUOTE="Gun-Unit"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]Even if your made up numbers were correct that would imply that more DREs occurred then RROD's do to so many more PS2's being on the market. Thats why people say that DRE wasn't common it only happened to X/Y people they don't realize how many systems were out. Too be honest though I am sick of hardware issues in console gaming. I thought only PC gaming was supposed to have hardware issues according to the consolites. Oh and PSP3000 dead pixels as well Sony.Blackbond
Those numbers been posted on these forums many times in the past its not my fault i been here a long time.You do realize that on a fanbase of 100 million its going to look more common then it actually is .

And because they've been posted on a forum infested with fanboys they must be true numbers right? I'd need to see this link with these numbers on RROD and DRE but they really don't interest me anyways. All the numbers are pretty much fabrications of fanboys. Point is DRE was an issue and to say that it wasn't comparable to RROD is luda. They both suck.. If its one thing nintendo can actually do right its reliability. How do companies that make electronics get beat by nintendo in reliability?

I don't feel like digging up information from 2002-2003,you don't have to believe it if you don't wanna but its pretty much known RROD is worse then DRe by far even i went through more Xbox360's.Atlest DRE i could fixes on my own.Even IGN have a guide to fixing it,so it is in no way anywheres near as bad as RROD.Of course it sucks and and break down rates should not have gotten as high as DRE let alone RROD.
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#47 Toriko42
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Isn't SCEA Sony...
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#48 Dante2710
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i dont see the 360 being mentioned :?
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#49 handofthedragon
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:lol:

When asked about plans for the future by Mcvuk.com, SCEE's David Reeves had these words

"We also grow the market through new products – some work, some don't, that's just the Sony way. And on that point, another thing we have committed to for supporting market growth is putting out quality hardware – you don't grow the market by putting out shoddy machines. So we try to make sure that PS3s have a failure rate of just two to three per cent, which is very low by industry standards."

So what do you think about Reeves words? Is he being a tad cocky?

via http://kotaku.com/5114358/reeves-you-dont-grow-the-market-by-putting-out-shoddy-machines

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I don't see how he could be cocky given the current state of the PS3.:lol:
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#50 lawlessx
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i dont see the 360 being mentioned :?Dante2710
oh come on... even if he didn't directly mention it..it 's pretty clear he was talking about the 360