SCEE's David Reeves Calls Out Microsoft Says they make "shoddy machines

He says 33% you say 30%. He says 10% for DRE you say they still have yet to give any hard numbers. This is exactly what I am talking about.Blackbond

I said "30 odd percent" meaning more than 30%. I believe that the original number reported by the console retailers was 34%.

One thing I can be relatively sure about is that if the retailers didn't feel the need to report the DRE error as much as RROD, then that's more evident that it wasn't as severe or worse than RROD. What makes me consider DRE so negligible is the distinct lack of an internet frenzy that RROD caused; hundreds if not thousands of people were up in arms about their broken 360s. Cases involving DRE were only mentioned in places as obscure as SW.

Isn't SCEA Sony...Toriko42

SCEA stands for Sony Computer Entertainment America. The executive who is being quoted is from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe hence SCEE.

the 360 does have the worst hardware of this gen.

xbox 360 has been 3 years on the market and ms still cant fix the problem. PS2 had the DRE problem but it was fixed the 1st yearDontBeHatin1983

It's what they should have been saying along time ago. They should have been saying that they have a more reliable product than MS. Instead they did nothing and they are paying for it. They should have taken advantage of MS's problems and gone for the jugular.heretrix

I agree. Sony is being rather generous to MS but not exploiting this issue further and making it more public.

xbox 360 has been 3 years on the market and ms still cant fix the problem. PS2 had the DRE problem but it was fixed the 1st yearDontBeHatin1983

xbox 360 has been 3 years on the market and ms still cant fix the problem. PS2 had the DRE problem but it was fixed the 1st yearDontBeHatin1983

Sony shouldn't be talking about shoddy hardware, DRE much? munu9

[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]xbox 360 has been 3 years on the market and ms still cant fix the problem. PS2 had the DRE problem but it was fixed the 1st yearnavyguy21

ironic...didn't the playstation 2 have disc read errors?

talk about the a bald man calling another man bald...

[QUOTE="heretrix"]It's what they should have been saying along time ago. They should have been saying that they have a more reliable product than MS. Instead they did nothing and they are paying for it. They should have taken advantage of MS's problems and gone for the jugular.Espada12

I agree. Sony is being rather generous to MS but not exploiting this issue further and making it more public.

Sony shouldn't be talking about shoddy hardware, DRE much? munu9

[QUOTE="munu9"]Sony shouldn't be talking about shoddy hardware, DRE much? Blackfriend8

ironic...didn't the playstation 2 have disc read errors?

talk about the a bald man calling another man bald...

[QUOTE="Blackfriend8"][QUOTE="munu9"]Sony shouldn't be talking about shoddy hardware, DRE much? PrinceofSarcasm

[QUOTE="Blackfriend8"][QUOTE="munu9"]Sony shouldn't be talking about shoddy hardware, DRE much? PrinceofSarcasm

"it's a cow defense against DRE so they over blow RROD and undermine? more like dismiss DRE"...

The same game can be played...Both are horrible for the industry...

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]It's what they should have been saying along time ago. They should have been saying that they have a more reliable product than MS. Instead they did nothing and they are paying for it. They should have taken advantage of MS's problems and gone for the jugular.heretrix

I agree. Sony is being rather generous to MS but not exploiting this issue further and making it more public.

Yea I agree, I don't really understand what thier strategy here is? Oh rather if it's arrogance. I.e We are sony with the PLAYSTATION, we do not need to do much for our console to sell sort of deal.

The first and second Playstations had well known Hardware problems nobody is overblowing anything. It was substantial enough to get them sued successfully.I went through 2 of the original Playstations. I never had issues with the second though.heretrix

The only place in which DRE is well known is in forums like SW. People here will say otherwise to assign more credence to their claims, but it's simply not true. It's especially ridiculous to compare the size of the DRE problem to the RROD--especially when it's used as a means of fighting off critique about another error.

People being brought to court for a particular matter does not actually prove that said matter wasn't frivolous. Big corporations get sued all the time, but that doesn't necessarily mean one was warranted according to the claims made by plaintiffs.

I can also say that my launch PS2 still works.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.WilliamRLBaker

all i was saying was the RROD is a worse issue.

considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatst1ka

What? I still have a ps1 that works perfect. It's worked perfect since way back in mid 90s when the ps1 dropped to $150.00. I got several friends with a launch ps2 that never had the laser issue or anything and they work perfect. How many of your friends with a launch xbox 360 still works; I bet its less than you can count with one hand.

The unoffical xbox 360 failure rate is supposedly in the 30% area. Did you know video card and motherboard manufacturers such as asus, msi, xfx, evga, bfg, visiontek, sapphire, etc.. have a typical failure rate of around .3-.5%. Console failure rates are already shi* when compared to computer hardware failure rates.

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=st31500341as-barracuda-7200-11-sata-32mb-c-1.5tb-hd&vgnextoid=511a8cf6a794b110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=47f281f8c0f43110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&reqPage=Model (under tech specs)

Bam look at that a seagate drive and annual failure rate is .34%. That is a hard drive with multiple platters spinning at 7200rpm and has a way less failure rate than any fking console. My god most of you people don't know wtf you're talking about.

I cannot take anything Sony says or does seriously after what they did to SWG.

I ultimately swore an oath to not buy anything sony or sony-related... call me a fanboy if you must....

Dead-Memories

Yet after ultima online basically came everquest. Verant and sony pretty much changed the face of mmorpgs with everquest.

I won't call you a fan boy but rather a little too grudge holding. You know that time at some point in your life when you got a little burned by a pan or pot on a stove? You still use pots and pans to this day correct?

What if the majority on this site were bashing pots and pans? I'd bet you'd hop on the bandwagon and say pots and pans are garbage cause the majority says so. Even though the pot/pan that burned you changed the way pots and pans were used.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatsh0vet

What? I still have a ps1 that works perfect. It's worked perfect since way back in mid 90s when the ps1 dropped to $150.00. I got several friends with a launch ps2 that never had the laser issue or anything and they work perfect. How many of your friends with a launch xbox 360 still works; I bet its less than you can count with one hand.

The unoffical xbox 360 failure rate is supposedly in the 30% area. Did you know video card and motherboard manufacturers such as asus, msi, xfx, evga, bfg, visiontek, sapphire, etc.. have a typical failure rate of around .3-.5%. Console failure rates are already shi* when compared to computer hardware failure rates.

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=st31500341as-barracuda-7200-11-sata-32mb-c-1.5tb-hd&vgnextoid=511a8cf6a794b110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=47f281f8c0f43110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&reqPage=Model (under tech specs)

Bam look at that a seagate drive and annual failure rate is .34%. That is a hard drive with multiple platters spinning at 7200rpm and has a way less failure rate than any fking console. My god most of you people don't know wtf you're talking about.

great and i have a pre-falcon 360 model and i never got the RROD, does that mean there is no RROD?

the PS2's failure rate most likely wasn't as bad as the RROD but it was enough to get sony sued for it and it was enough for me to have gone trough 3 PS2s

[QUOTE="st1ka"]considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatjfcundiff

My slimline Ps2 broke the other day. There is a massive flaw in the design. My ps2 refused to spin any disc what-so-ever. I only got it last year.

My old slimline ps2 had the same problem. For some reason it just stops spinning discs around. I bought both ps2's brand new, (no mods either).

Sony don't seem to have anywhere to send the console to get it fixed (while out of warranty) so i've had to throw it away!

ironic...didn't the playstation 2 have disc read errors?

talk about the a bald man calling another man bald...

RROD might be worse then Sonys DRE problems, but MS did more with the one Bill hit from the warranty. The real point to be made here is that Sony isn't perferct either, and had huge growth with a console that had problems too.VirtuaCast

Oh come on now! They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. They did it so they wouldn't get sued by a massive class action.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatjfcundiff

considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatst1ka

[QUOTE="sh0vet"]

[QUOTE="st1ka"]considering that the PS1 and the PS2 were probably the most unreliable consoles of their time i'm not sure if Mr. Reeves here should have said thatst1ka

What? I still have a ps1 that works perfect. It's worked perfect since way back in mid 90s when the ps1 dropped to $150.00. I got several friends with a launch ps2 that never had the laser issue or anything and they work perfect. How many of your friends with a launch xbox 360 still works; I bet its less than you can count with one hand.

The unoffical xbox 360 failure rate is supposedly in the 30% area. Did you know video card and motherboard manufacturers such as asus, msi, xfx, evga, bfg, visiontek, sapphire, etc.. have a typical failure rate of around .3-.5%. Console failure rates are already shi* when compared to computer hardware failure rates.

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=st31500341as-barracuda-7200-11-sata-32mb-c-1.5tb-hd&vgnextoid=511a8cf6a794b110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=47f281f8c0f43110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&reqPage=Model (under tech specs)

Bam look at that a seagate drive and annual failure rate is .34%. That is a hard drive with multiple platters spinning at 7200rpm and has a way less failure rate than any fking console. My god most of you people don't know wtf you're talking about.

great and i have a pre-falcon 360 model and i never got the RROD, does that mean there is no RROD?

the PS2's failure rate most likely wasn't as bad as the RROD but it was enough to get sony sued for it and it was enough for me to have gone trough 3 PS2s

microsoft got sued for dre,rrod,and disk scrathing.http://gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues there are people who went through 3 360's because the rrod and dre.Sony is learning from there errors

microsoft got sued for dre,rrod,and disk scrathing.http://gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues there are people who went through 3 360's because the rrod and dre.Sony is learning from there errors

Afro_Samurai1

yes it is, but it does not change the past, which why Reeves' remark was hypocritical

also microsoft was not sued, the hearing is still taking place, sony on the other hand was sucessfully sued

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Sony grew the market last generation with shoddy hardware. Seems like a sore loser to me.Eyezonmii

[QUOTE="Afro_Samurai1"]

microsoft got sued for dre,rrod,and disk scrathing.http://gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues there are people who went through 3 360's because the rrod and dre.Sony is learning from there errors

st1ka

yes it is, but it does not change the past, which why Reeves' remark was hypocritical

also microsoft was not sued, the hearing is still taking place, sony on the other hand was sucessfully sued

there being sued that is the point,the present situation shows that the ps3 is more reliable than the 360

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Afro_Samurai1"]

microsoft got sued for dre,rrod,and disk scrathing.http://gizmodo.com/5064742/microsoft-sued-over-xbox-360-rrod-issues there are people who went through 3 360's because the rrod and dre.Sony is learning from there errors

Afro_Samurai1

yes it is, but it does not change the past, which why Reeves' remark was hypocritical

also microsoft was not sued, the hearing is still taking place, sony on the other hand was sucessfully sued

there being sued that is the point,the present situation shows that the ps3 is more reliable than the 360

nobody is doubting that the PS3 is more reliable than the 360, this was never the issue. The issue is of all people sony are the last ones who should lecture microsoft on reliability

and as for being sued, anyone can file a sue complaint, it's winning said complaint that's tricky