Sequels that everybody thought were worse that you thought were better.

I'm going with Bioshock 2.

There general consensus seems to be that it paled it comparison to the first, but I couldn't disagree more.Bioshock 2 IMO is clearly superior to the original. The story and villain might not be as strong, but it at least comparable (and the audio logs had more character IMO) and almost everything else is better in Bio2.

I was very impressed with the improvements to the gunplay. Where the first Bioshock's gunplay had a "hit all the standard notes and rely on plasmids to make combat interesting" sort of feel to it (a philosophy which by and large worked but left much room for improvement), Bioshock 2's gunplay is legitimately exciting. The weapons are more interesting and pack more punch; the ability to shoot plasmids and regular weapons at the same time is probably the driving factor in making the action feel more frantic and full of adrenaline. The action simply felt better.

I also thought the level design was much improved. To me, Bioshock 1's areas (besides Fort Frolic), while being brilliant pieces of one of the greatest game environments, felt like the standard tour of Rapture (which is appropriate in the first game). Bioshock 2's areas feel much more "off the beaten path" and have a certain off the beaten path flare to them. They have more "surprises" (i.e. the amusement park) so to say, more locales of interest. I didn't think it was possible for Rapture to look any more interesting than it all ready did, but it really does look more interesting in Bioshock 2 IMO. It is more detailed and has more texture. Touches like the glowing coral and the underwater segments give Bioshock 2's rapture a deeper, richer, and more vibrant beauty than the first game. I feel that the developers especially make better use of color in Bioshock 2.

The Little Sister mechanic was also more interesting in Bioshock 2 as well. I still think they could flesh it out even more, but the adoption mechanic was undoubtedly more interesting than the stark "to harvest or not to harvest" mechanic of the first game. And the fights that took place when the little sisters gathered adam were really intense.

The only complaints I had was the relative lack of new plasmids and the inability to backtrack.

Anyway, what are some so-called inferior sequels that you think are better?

I agree with your points, but I thought the original was just a bit better.

Going to your gun statement, it was great, but it seriously took all the scariness out of enemy "pop-ups" or ambushes since you could kill em' in a matter of seconds.

I just didn't find this one that scary since you were such a force to be reckoned with. Heck, at the end of the game if my drill was fully upgrdades, I could take out a big sister in seconds.

I died like 10 times in the first game. I died once in this game and it was from a careless error.

Gears 2

Splinter cell, thought the first game was awesome you couldn't be reckless you were forced to be stealthy you could not go all gun ho or mission failed! You had to use your brains and actually plan out what you were going to do from the shadows... now all of these squels a major plus in conviction you can go all gun happy not a care in the world, I am assuming its so they can please the casuals but non the less you could treat conviction like cod4 and shoot everyone in plain sight and beat the game... that saddens me. I know its the oppisite of your thread but still...

Now to respond correctly to your thread I am going with super street fighter 4, thought it standed up nicely to sf4

I agree with your points, but I thought the original was just a bit better.

Going to your gun statement, it was great, but it seriously took all the scariness out of enemy "pop-ups" or ambushes since you could kill em' in a matter of seconds.

I just didn't find this one that scary since you were such a force to be reckoned with. Heck, at the end of the game if my drill was fully upgrdades, I could take out a big sister in seconds.

I died like 10 times in the first game. I died once in this game and it was from a careless error.

Squall18

You only died once? What difficult did you play on? I didn't find the game particularly difficult, but I definitely died more than once playing on normal.

You do bring up a fair point though. The game should have been more balanced in that regard. They should have made the enemies more powerful to compensate for the fact that the player was more powerful.

That said, I feel that the extremely high quality of the action mostly makes up for it.

MGS4

Halo2

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Oh I read this thread wrong, I thought these games were worse than everybody who thought werebetter.

Budokai 2 & 3 (old i know)

but budokai 1 was miles better

Counter strike source.

Metal Gear Solid 2. I didn't mind playing as Raiden, it was a nice to change to play as someone relatable (ie a wimp :P) rather than the standard super soldier. Don't get me wrong tho, I'm very glad 3 and 4 let me play as awesome Snake :D

Killzone 2...

:P

Gears 2

PAL360

not sure if this works...but L4D2.

they did enough changes to make it a worthy sequel.

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. A lot of people complained it was too tedious, but I enjoyed every second of it. Granted, you did have to collect more stuff, such as 3 temple keys in every dungeon, but they were just implemented naturally into the exploration. I never felt like I was looking actively for the keys, I just encountered them during my exploration of each dungeon.

For the rest, I think Metroid Prime 2 expanded many of the gameplay elements innovated in the first part, such as superior spider ball sequences and even more intense and creative boss fights. I loved every second of it. I actually only first played the game last year, as part of the Metroid Prime Trilogy disc, but it held up very well and is now one of my favourite all-time games.

So many answers i disagree with, but Ill keep my mouth shut.

I got nothing, I literally can't think of anything

Metal Gear Solid 2 was a fantastic game miles away from the first, sure, it was because of the technology, but still, to this day, it remains as one of the better looking games in the PS2 and it was fun to play, not to mention that it have some memorable moments.

Maybe i don't think is better than the first when it comes to the whole experience, but is not nearly as bad as some people claim.

resistance 2 , it was way better than 1 imo, well i've got the second part first and then bought the 1st part as platinum edition but couldnt really enjoy it , the worsecontrols and graphics and lack of coop mulltiplayer (8 players) are the reason

So many answers i disagree with, but Ill keep my mouth shut.

I got nothing, I literally can't think of anything

iBear-

Feel free to disagree with some of the answers here, albeit in a reasonable way.

Final Fantasy X-2.

Now, it is nowhere near better than Final Fantasy X, but I really enjoyed it while it seems everyone else hated it.

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

mitu123

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Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

SpiritOfFire117

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

mitu123

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

mitu123

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

mitu123

and its story wasn't remarkably makeshift like the first.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]People said it was worse than the first? :o

tehsystemwarior

maps overall were worse.

they removed Kayshk Docks, Bespin Platforms and Bespin Cloud city.

Bespin platforms made me rage....then again, I had the PC version, I bet there was a download for that...but I was on dial-up in those days.

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[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]People said it was worse than the first? :o

tehsystemwarior

Battlefront 1 had 2 maps for every planet. they should've stayed true to that considering the space maps didn't change a whole lot.

they had Mos Eisley at least, but they left out Dune Sea, Bespin entirely, Kayshyk Docks etc.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"][QUOTE="mitu123"] A lot of people did.:lol: It's crazy, I put more hours into that than the original too, and I want a 3rd one so bad.

HavocV3

maps overall were worse.

they removed Kayshk Docks, Bespin Platforms and Bespin Cloud city.

Bespin platforms made me rage....then again, I had the PC version, I bet there was a download for that...but I was on dial-up in those days.

Budokai 2 & 3 (old i know)

but budokai 1 was miles better

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"][QUOTE="mitu123"] A lot of people did.:lol: It's crazy, I put more hours into that than the original too, and I want a 3rd one so bad.

mitu123

Battlefront 1 had 2 maps for every planet. they should've stayed true to that considering the space maps didn't change a whole lot.

they had Mos Eisley at least, but they left out Dune Sea, Bespin entirely, Kayshyk Docks etc.

HavocV3

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[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"] The reason 2 was bad was because they changed kashyk. (sorry for double posts)tehsystemwarior

yeah...good point.

they removed prone....I think they gave us summersaults...but backing up in prone with a clone/stormtrooper brought more mindless lulz.

especially when you're playing splitscreen/co-op and the other person is in prone. :lol: good times.

Star Wars Battlefront 2. More modes, units, maps, space battles, new abilities, and people still say it's worse than the 1st.

mitu123

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[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"] The reason 2 was bad was because they changed kashyk. (sorry for double posts)tehsystemwarior

SC:C, F.E.A.R 2, POP reboot, GTA4, L4D2. Probably a lot more than that I just can't remember right now.

KotOR 2 for the most part. Everything is upgraded, just the ending is worse.Parasomniac