Seriously, how is Sony or Nintendo going to compete with XBL next gen?

[QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"][QUOTE="Scottydooo"][QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEhd28guy_basic

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE

Yeah, playing WoW and Everquest 2 are free! Cool, lets all play WoW all day long with no fees!

That's 2 games. In order to play anything on Xbox Live it will cost you

it moots the point all pc gaming online is free....

that's nice... but still not free as stated earlier...

You're saying that pc online gaming isn't free for the end user?

i'm saying not all pc gaming online is free... try to keep up or find a new thread more your speed...:)

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

The fact is that if anything is going to kill XBL it is going to be Microsoft themselves. They have full control over it and they profit off of it. Meanwhile developers get little to nothing out of the deal. I predict that if other consoles can gain enough of a percentage of their user base, developers will focus more on them. Developers don't like that the PS2 online is unreliable in terms of who will buy into it. However, they love the fact that they have full control over their own product...something XBL doesn't exactly offer.

Having said that, right now the user base for online shows no signs of breaking through that %10 point. So to argue that nobody else can compete is like going back in time to the 80s and asking Sega to compete with the Power Glove. It's stupid and not worth the time at this point.

adrian1480

actually every one of those maps are now available for FREE via xbox live download...

nice self ownage...:lol:

[QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="____SHERMIT____"]I dont know they could try having it be FREE

FREE > PAY FOR ONLINE

in a hearbeat
____SHERMIT____

[QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"]

The fact is that if anything is going to kill XBL it is going to be Microsoft themselves. They have full control over it and they profit off of it. Meanwhile developers get little to nothing out of the deal. I predict that if other consoles can gain enough of a percentage of their user base, developers will focus more on them. Developers don't like that the PS2 online is unreliable in terms of who will buy into it. However, they love the fact that they have full control over their own product...something XBL doesn't exactly offer.

Having said that, right now the user base for online shows no signs of breaking through that %10 point. So to argue that nobody else can compete is like going back in time to the 80s and asking Sega to compete with the Power Glove. It's stupid and not worth the time at this point.

hd28guy_basic

actually every one of those maps are now available for FREE via xbox live download...

nice self ownage...:lol:

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

I think microsoft´s focus on online its gonna make single player games more shorth and unpolished...... and also the nintendo strategy seems very appealing to me... but thats just me... maybe im crazyGabino_basic

[QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"][QUOTE="Scottydooo"][QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEJeffGenocideX

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE

Yeah, playing WoW and Everquest 2 are free! Cool, lets all play WoW all day long with no fees!

That's 2 games. In order to play anything on Xbox Live it will cost you

it moots the point all pc gaming online is free....

that's nice... but still not free as stated earlier...

You're saying that pc online gaming isn't free for the end user?

i'm saying not all pc gaming online is free... try to keep up or find a new thread more your speed...:)

[QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"][QUOTE="UssjTrunks"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"][QUOTE="Scottydooo"][QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEhd28guy_basic

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE

Yeah, playing WoW and Everquest 2 are free! Cool, lets all play WoW all day long with no fees!

That's 2 games. In order to play anything on Xbox Live it will cost you

it moots the point all pc gaming online is free....

that's nice... but still not free as stated earlier...

You're saying that pc online gaming isn't free for the end user?

i'm saying not all pc gaming online is free... try to keep up or find a new thread more your speed...:)

Xbox users will have to pay for XBL and then an additional cost for MMO games or even non-MMO games like Phantasy Star (that's more like Guild Wars than a MMO)

[QUOTE="AntiType"][QUOTE="Dr_Drooom"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]By making it FREEMurkOfOnyx

Free = you get what you pay for = crap

Free PC Online > X-Box LIVE

Pwned.

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

onslaught460

Xbox users will have to pay for XBL and then an additional cost for MMO games or even non-MMO games like Phantasy Star (that's more like Guild Wars than a MMO)

ViolentPressure

[QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

adrian1480

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.JeffGenocideX

[QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

adrian1480

[QUOTE="Gabino_basic"]I think microsoft´s focus on online its gonna make single player games more shorth and unpolished...... and also the nintendo strategy seems very appealing to me... but thats just me... maybe im crazy____SHERMIT____

[QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

onslaught460

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.VILE_VIVI

[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.VILE_VIVI

[QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

onslaught460

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.VILE_VIVI

[QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.adrian1480

[QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

VoodooHak

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

Yeah, but........It's not like a MMORPG where all the money goes to one game. It's $50 a year for a whole crapload of games. I would really like to see how M$ or the Devs are making a profit off that.....

*edt* It's kinda like the situation with guild wars. I really don't understand how they can be making money, when they have an mmorpg without a fee. :? I basically don't think that any company can make money off of making multiplayer games, and keep their own servers on the net.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

onslaught460

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

Yeah, but........It's not like a MMORPG where all the money goes to one game. It's $50 a year for a whole crapload of games. I would really like to see how M$ or the Devs are making a profit off that.

[QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.JeffGenocideX

[QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.VoodooHak

[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.VILE_VIVI

nice opinion... too bad that one game doesn't cover as many genres as xbox live games..:)

[QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

VoodooHak

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

Yeah, but........It's not like a MMORPG where all the money goes to one game. It's $50 a year for a whole crapload of games. I would really like to see how M$ or the Devs are making a profit off that.

Peer to peer?......but games like halo exist that are more then one player.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

onslaught460

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

Yeah, but........It's not like a MMORPG where all the money goes to one game. It's $50 a year for a whole crapload of games. I would really like to see how M$ or the Devs are making a profit off that.

Peer to peer?......but games like halo exist that are more then one player.

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.JeffGenocideX

[QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="onslaught460"][QUOTE="adrian1480"][QUOTE="onslaught460"]

One thing that I've really been wondering about. Is the cost of making games online for the developers. They basically have to keep paying microsoft royalties to keep their games on xbox live. If they got the ps3 route. They probably have to pay to keep their servers up, and maintained.

PC gaming doesn't have this problem, problem because gaming servers are left up to the end user to put up...The developer might put up a server here and there, but they don't really have to......basically what I'm saying is. What's the motivation of putting games online for consols? I look at halo 1 and 2. They had great multiplayer for a console game.....but when the game dies out, bungie still has to pay to keep the servers up.

VoodooHak

I'm not 100% sure, but that's how I think it goes. :? However you look at it, someone is paying to keep the servers up.

Yeah, but........It's not like a MMORPG where all the money goes to one game. It's $50 a year for a whole crapload of games. I would really like to see how M$ or the Devs are making a profit off that.

Peer to peer?......but games like halo exist that are more then one player.

WTF? Is that how it is? I've played it so many times at my friends house, and never knew it was like that....... I always thought that MS maintained the servers.

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.Next2003

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.hd28guy_basic

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

WTF? Is that how it is? I've played it so many times at my friends house, and never knew it was like that....... I always thought that MS maintained the servers.

onslaught460

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.hd28guy_basic

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

[QUOTE="Next2003"][QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

[QUOTE="onslaught460"]

WTF? Is that how it is? I've played it so many times at my friends house, and never knew it was like that....... I always thought that MS maintained the servers.

VoodooHak

Well I'm familiar with it. That's pretty much how it is in Need for speed underground. All the races are hosted on the end users ps2. So basically good connection = good race. Now that I got that out of the way.... why is it that lemmins brag about having lag free games, when their infrastructure is the same as ps2????? They just pay to have it all centralized.

[QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"]

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

xbox live gives you instant access to every xbox live enabled game....

having your pc online doesnt' give you access to all pc online titles either... you still have to buy the game...

you still make no sense...

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="Next2003"][QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.JeffGenocideX

[QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"]

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

[QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"]

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.GunmetalXIII

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="hd28guy_basic"]

[QUOTE="GunmetalXIII"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="VILE_VIVI"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]XBL $50a yr > WoW $14.99 a month.hd28guy_basic

wtf...

you pay $50 for the service of xbox live.. all xbox live enabled games can be played for free...

unless you think it's $50 for halo2, another $50 crimson skies, another $50 for ghost recon, etc, etc, etc..

silly...:lol:

xbox live gives you instant access to every xbox live enabled game....

having your pc online doesnt' give you access to all pc online titles either... you still have to buy the game...

you still make no sense...