Upgraded tech affects more than just graphics.If graphics didn't matter, no one would buy any next gen consoles. Graphics do matter, because that's the only reason new consoles come out. Update in tech.
organic_machine
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The ps3 has the best console graphics, just live with it.There are many good looking games, no one will ever agree which is the best looking and honestly, who cares. If it looks nice and is fun to play, sweet, go play it. But honestly, how many "CONSOLE GRAPHICS KING" or "UNCHARTED 2 CONSOLE GRAPHICS KING" threads can we possibly get. The horse is officially beaten, dead, in chunks, rotting and smelly. Stop.
How about Uncharted 2 will be awesome because of the actual GAMEPLAY, story, added MP, firefight/horde like mode, etc. Well I have said my piece, not that it will stop any of these threads since Im sure 10 of them are brewing at the moment.
h575309
Well, i think graphics are very important in game.. Graphics are usually the wow factor in the game which impresses alot of people.. If you think about graphics can also make the gameplay of a game even better, just like the icing on a cake, just makes the cake more delicious (even tho i hate cakes) ..
[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]It's funny how since PS3 has had the edge in graphics Lemmings want to take it out as a factor and say only gameplay matters as much as sheep. :Dmitu123Console wise, yes, against PC, that's another story. It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :D
[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]It's funny how since PS3 has had the edge in graphics Lemmings want to take it out as a factor and say only gameplay matters as much as sheep. :DNerkconConsole wise, yes, against PC, that's another story. It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :D Seeing as how art style is totally subjective, and that inferior hardware is inferior hardware, they win.
[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]It's funny how since PS3 has had the edge in graphics Lemmings want to take it out as a factor and say only gameplay matters as much as sheep. :DNerkconConsole wise, yes, against PC, that's another story. It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :D That's System Wars for ya!:P
Do you seriously think graphics is the only thing that improves with more powerful hardware?If graphics didn't matter, no one would buy any next gen consoles. Graphics do matter, because that's the only reason new consoles come out. Update in tech.
organic_machine
[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Console wise, yes, against PC, that's another story.pyromaniac223It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :D Seeing as how art style is totally subjective, and that inferior hardware is inferior hardware, they win. You're exact what I'm talking about. When fanboys do talk about gameplay the losing sides says "b-b-but it's subjective! :cry:" And now we have something better more debatable to talk about (console graphics) the losing sides (lemmings) want to hide behind hermits and cry "B-b-but it's gameplay that matters! :cry:" and that is how you got this thread here. And with superior hardware, PC has no excuse not to have better graphics. I don't want to hear anything about PC graphics until I see better looking games that run on console specs hardware. Being able to make good looking games without hardware shows better talent.
[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]It's funny how since PS3 has had the edge in graphics Lemmings want to take it out as a factor and say only gameplay matters as much as sheep. :DNerkconConsole wise, yes, against PC, that's another story. It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :D
Right like Zeno Clash and its horrible artistic design?
It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :D[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Console wise, yes, against PC, that's another story.spinecaton
Right like Zeno Clash and its horrible artistic design?
It is, actually. The people look weird, and it's set in a prehistoric wild west mix (which of both I dislike). Nut like someone else said. You can't really argue something that's pure opinion (art style and game play), but you can argue about which graphics are more advance technical wise.However, you'll notice the threads us PC guys post those pictures in are ones made by consolites (usually cows) challenging Crysis to begin with (i.e. "Killzone 2 looks better than Crysis"). We're just there to keep them in line and keep the record straight.[QUOTE="spinecaton"]
PC guys are to blame aswell with the Crysis picture dump threads where they show 50 pictures of environments, faces over and over again. I believe they sort of started it all but Geow helped fuel the fire; and they fueled it with a 10 gallon tank of gas.
xDimMaK
How would you know since Crysis came out in 07 and your account was made in 08? Before Crysis came out there were plenty of threads made by plenty of PC fanboys making threads. It wasn't until after is when people started comparing it to Crysis with every thread.
There are many good looking games, no one will ever agree which is the best looking and honestly, who cares. If it looks nice and is fun to play, sweet, go play it. But honestly, how many "CONSOLE GRAPHICS KING" or "UNCHARTED 2 CONSOLE GRAPHICS KING" threads can we possibly get. The horse is officially beaten, dead, in chunks, rotting and smelly. Stop.
How about Uncharted 2 will be awesome because of the actual GAMEPLAY, story, added MP, firefight/horde like mode, etc. Well I have said my piece, not that it will stop any of these threads since Im sure 10 of them are brewing at the moment.
The ps3 has the best console graphics, just live with it. If this were true, I would since I own a ps3. theyre pretty much equal graphically, with ps3 exclusives looking a little better and 360 multiplats looking a little better.You're exact what I'm talking about. When fanboys do talk about gameplay the losing sides says "b-b-but it's subjective! :cry:" And now we have something better more debatable to talk about (console graphics) the losing sides (lemmings) want to hide behind hermits and cry "B-b-but it's gameplay that matters! :cry:" and that is how you got this thread here. And with superior hardware, PC has no excuse not to have better graphics. I don't want to hear anything about PC graphics until I see better looking games that run on console specs hardware. Being able to make good looking games without hardware shows better talent.[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Seeing as how art style is totally subjective, and that inferior hardware is inferior hardware, they win.Hanass
YOU, consolites, mostly Cows, are the ones bringing up this bullsh*t claiming that X game on console looks better than Crysis. Just stop acting as though it's our fault. You're saying that we can't bring those cows back on Earth because "PC has better hardware". That makes zero sense. Your post is extremely hypocritical if you ask me.
It's like punching a guy in the face, and then crying "bully!" after that because he broke your nose...
If you think a bunch of fakeboys (I hope they're fakeboys, anyway...) saying stuff you know aren't true is as bad as 'punching' you in the face then maybe you should seek some help. ;) And how does it not make sense? They alsiodo represent all 'consolelites'. Take for example me; I hate Killzone and Halo for bring a PC genre to consoles. And only a hermits are so stuck up that they would but 3 large groups of people under 1 insult and regard everyone who even 'dares' like a console more than PC gaming as a 'lite'.[QUOTE="Hanass"]
[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] You're exact what I'm talking about. When fanboys do talk about gameplay the losing sides says "b-b-but it's subjective! :cry:" And now we have something better more debatable to talk about (console graphics) the losing sides (lemmings) want to hide behind hermits and cry "B-b-but it's gameplay that matters! :cry:" and that is how you got this thread here. And with superior hardware, PC has no excuse not to have better graphics. I don't want to hear anything about PC graphics until I see better looking games that run on console specs hardware. Being able to make good looking games without hardware shows better talent.Nerkcon
YOU, consolites, mostly Cows, are the ones bringing up this bullsh*t claiming that X game on console looks better than Crysis. Just stop acting as though it's our fault. You're saying that we can't bring those cows back on Earth because "PC has better hardware". That makes zero sense. Your post is extremely hypocritical if you ask me.
It's like punching a guy in the face, and then crying "bully!" after that because he broke your nose...
If you think a bunch of fakeboys (I hope they're fakeboys, anyway...) saying stuff you know aren't true is as bad as 'punching' you in the face then maybe you should seek some help. ;) And how does it not make sense? They alsiodo represent all 'consolelites'. Take for example me; I hate Killzone and Halo for bring a PC genre to consoles. And only a hermits are so stuck up that they would but 3 large groups of people under 1 insult and regard everyone who even 'dares' like a console more than PC gaming as a 'lite'.Wow, another hypocritical post? Amazing...
YOU (I think I should make this word bigger because you seem to ignore it) are the crybaby who is complaining, NOT ME. So stop saying that I need help. Geez, it's not hard to understand. WE DON'T CARE. YOU DO. Cows are always the ones who start graphics debates, and then they come crying (like now) because they get owned.
If you think a bunch of fakeboys (I hope they're fakeboys, anyway...) saying stuff you know aren't true is as bad as 'punching' you in the face then maybe you should seek some help. ;) And how does it not make sense? They alsiodo represent all 'consolelites'. Take for example me; I hate Killzone and Halo for bring a PC genre to consoles. And only a hermits are so stuck up that they would but 3 large groups of people under 1 insult and regard everyone who even 'dares' like a console more than PC gaming as a 'lite'.[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]
[QUOTE="Hanass"]
YOU, consolites, mostly Cows, are the ones bringing up this bullsh*t claiming that X game on console looks better than Crysis. Just stop acting as though it's our fault. You're saying that we can't bring those cows back on Earth because "PC has better hardware". That makes zero sense. Your post is extremely hypocritical if you ask me.
It's like punching a guy in the face, and then crying "bully!" after that because he broke your nose...
Hanass
Wow, another hypocritical post? Amazing...
YOU (I think I should make this word bigger because you seem to ignore it) are the crybaby who is complaining, NOT ME. So stop saying that I need help. Geez, it's not hard to understand. WE DON'T CARE. YOU DO. Cows are always the ones who start graphics debates, and then they come crying (like now) because they get owned.
Who's crying? I'm just calling you out of your own games. And no, it is only cows 'now' but when Lemmings had a fighting chance the threads were about "X games looks better on 360! Forza 3 has damage an GT doesn't!" etc. So no, it is not just cows. It's cow and Sony haters trying to change a subject they used to absuse so much that is now back firing on them. And other then the weirdos who think a 7900GT (PS3's GPU) is more powerful than a 8800 GTX are arguing PS3 has better graphics than PC games.The real war in system wars is Cows vs Lemmings, everyone else is ignored. And I'm upset that Lemming are teaming up with sheep and hermits just to attack 1 group.
[QUOTE="Hanass"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] If you think a bunch of fakeboys (I hope they're fakeboys, anyway...) saying stuff you know aren't true is as bad as 'punching' you in the face then maybe you should seek some help. ;) And how does it not make sense? They alsiodo represent all 'consolelites'. Take for example me; I hate Killzone and Halo for bring a PC genre to consoles. And only a hermits are so stuck up that they would but 3 large groups of people under 1 insult and regard everyone who even 'dares' like a console more than PC gaming as a 'lite'.
Nerkcon
Wow, another hypocritical post? Amazing...
YOU (I think I should make this word bigger because you seem to ignore it) are the crybaby who is complaining, NOT ME. So stop saying that I need help. Geez, it's not hard to understand. WE DON'T CARE. YOU DO. Cows are always the ones who start graphics debates, and then they come crying (like now) because they get owned.
Who's crying? I'm just calling you out of your own games. And no, it is only cows 'now' but when Lemmings had a fighting chance the threads were about "X games looks better on 360! Forza 3 has damage an GT doesn't!" etc. So no, it is not just cows. It's cow and Sony haters trying to change a subject they used to absuse so much that is now back firing on them. And other then the weirdos who think a 7900GT (PS3's GPU) is more powerful than a 8800 GTX are arguing PS3 has better graphics than PC games. The real war in system wars is Cows vs Lemmings, everyone else is ignored.I don't really see the relation between this and my post, but you're right, it isn't only the cows who compare graphics. But it's mostly the cows who claim that their games have better graphics than Crysis. In the last, say 2 months, I've only seen 1 thread about "GeoW > Crysis". Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 on the other hand... probably around 15-20 or so.
[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :DNerkconSeeing as how art style is totally subjective, and that inferior hardware is inferior hardware, they win. You're exact what I'm talking about. When fanboys do talk about gameplay the losing sides says "b-b-but it's subjective! :cry:" And now we have something better more debatable to talk about (console graphics) the losing sides (lemmings) want to hide behind hermits and cry "B-b-but it's gameplay that matters! :cry:" and that is how you got this thread here. And with superior hardware, PC has no excuse not to have better graphics. I don't want to hear anything about PC graphics until I see better looking games that run on console specs hardware. Being able to make good looking games without hardware shows better talent. Do you really think lemmings care THAT much about one game that debatably is the best looking game on consoles? And are you implying Im a lemming? I started this thread simply because every time I come on here its Killzone/Crysis/Uncharted/Gears thread about graphics and its getting really old.
I like good graphics; not advanced graphics, there is a difference. Good and advanced can go hand in hand in several cases, but there are some games out there that I am told have high end graphics that look ugly to me.
Killzone 2 and Resident Evil 5 for example, depending on my preferences in graphics of course.
In terms of gaming as a whole this obsession with graphics is quite litterally 'killing gaming', that's no exaggeration. If you think otherwise perhaps you should ask yourself why 3rd party exclusives went from common to rare in the transition from one generation to another, up to $30 million a pop to develop a AAA title will do that.
awww come-on let ppl have their fun, if you were a sony guy last gen you never got to do it so they are just making up for lost time
I dont know why you guys are making this out to be a PS3 vs 360 debate again. Im simply disgusted with the number of threads that are here about it on a daily basis, like all you guys care about are those 4 or 5 games. Honestly, I just want SOLID graphics, they dont need to be amazing. Games like Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead or Halo 3 are examples of games that barely focus on graphics but on gameplay. None of them look bad by any means, but get the job done.
Again, im not saying graphics arent important. Im just sick of the OBSESSION with having the game with the best graphics on your system. How will that matter? Can you claim ownage because you have one more pretty game than another system? Its really pretty silly.
[QUOTE="cowgriller"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"] Next gen consoles should be next gen because they are moving gaming forward. Not about making the same game we played last gen with better graphics. HarlockJC
the highlighted isn't quite true. look at the chronicles of riddick. also, all 3 console makers (except nintendo this gen) market the latest console by showing off the new graphics first, then they talk about new features and hardware.
Graphics is what many companies use to show off a system, but not want changed the games. Every gen we have had advancements on how we play the games though controller changes and overall power of the console. Before Natal, Wiimote and Sony's motion controller we had not really moved forward towards more interactive gaming. The say we played the game had not changed. Look at Halo which besides the graphics played the same way Halo 2 played. That is not to say Halo 3 is a bad game, but past graphics you could almost play the same game on the Xbox.the gameplay really hasn't changed from generation to generation because the devs would rather up the graphics rather than doing anything interesting or innovative. graphics are also the easiest thing to change. some devs nowadays are starting to change the core gameplay, not through controllers or cameras, but rather through the games interactions. things like destructible environments, though they've been around since last gen, are getting more of a push like what is seen in battlefield bad company, and the force unleashed. more devs are going more indepth and are making more realistic physics calculations in games. weather and lighting are becoming more dynamic, and in the case of alan wake, both play a major role in the actual gameplay, not just making the game look different.
if the devs prefer to focus on using different types of controls or cameras rather than changing the core gameplay, then were stuck in the same boat. better graphics with 20 year old gameplay, just with different controls.
the funny part is that even the people who come here and say that the graphics talk must stop
actully do care about graphics. and i think we should care about graphics.
but we shouldnt confuse a good looking game with an actully fun game to play.
but sadly thats what happens here, people confuse graphics with quality
how eals do you think some people actully confused the term "for a wii game it looks good"
with "for a wii game its actully good", then they started making stupid topics about diffrent standards
"wow a game with bad graphics got 8.0!? what that isnt possible, that must be due to the diffrent standards!"
Thank u for writing this thread because i keep telling people its not about the graphics its about how good the game is..
It's not the gamers' fault that the developers ram this material down our throat though. When you can't play it, screenshots/videos are the first impressions they focus on.There are many good looking games, no one will ever agree which is the best looking and honestly, who cares. If it looks nice and is fun to play, sweet, go play it. But honestly, how many "CONSOLE GRAPHICS KING" or "UNCHARTED 2 CONSOLE GRAPHICS KING" threads can we possibly get. The horse is officially beaten, dead, in chunks, rotting and smelly. Stop.
How about Uncharted 2 will be awesome because of the actual GAMEPLAY, story, added MP, firefight/horde like mode, etc. Well I have said my piece, not that it will stop any of these threads since Im sure 10 of them are brewing at the moment.
h575309
Graphics King threads are here because graphics is probably the least subjective part of gaming and people like to compare. Not to mention the fact that most of the gaming talk is about games that aren't released which means gameplay talk is out. I think your a little late when it comes to crying about the graphics king threads. Its been here for a while and we can thank GEOW and their fanboys for creating the whole graphics king debate.Javy03
Graphics are actually one of the most subjective parts of gaming. In many cases, it gets about as subjective as judging physical attractiveness.
Also, graphics threads are generally among the most ridiculous on SW.
They go like this:
Cow: Uncharted 2 is the greatest looking game ever.
Lemming: I think Gears 2 looks better.
Cow: Hell no. Are you blind?
Lemmings: I think Gears 2looks better because of [insert reason]
Cow: Nuh-uh.
Lemming: Yeah-huh.
Cow: Nuh-uh.
Lemming: Yeah-huh.
Rinse and repeat.
[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] It's also funny how hermits only want to get into the fight because they know they'll win as long as they don't add art style as a factor, or the factor console developers have to work with inferior hardware! :DNerkconSeeing as how art style is totally subjective, and that inferior hardware is inferior hardware, they win. You're exact what I'm talking about. When fanboys do talk about gameplay the losing sides says "b-b-but it's subjective! :cry:" And now we have something better more debatable to talk about (console graphics) the losing sides (lemmings) want to hide behind hermits and cry "B-b-but it's gameplay that matters! :cry:" and that is how you got this thread here. And with superior hardware, PC has no excuse not to have better graphics. I don't want to hear anything about PC graphics until I see better looking games that run on console specs hardware. Being able to make good looking games without hardware shows better talent.
You do realize why exactly art style is subjective,right? Right?
I'm constantly floored by the inability of some people on SW to seperate the realms of sbjecivity or sobjectivity.
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