Seven. SEVEN!?!?!?!?!? HOW????????????

I just got the latest edition of Official Playstation Mag UK, and when I got to the reviews section, I found something that horrified me. They did - they gave Heavenly Sword a 7.

Now, I don't blame the magazine here, that's not what this topic's about. What I want to know is, after five years in development, FIVE ****ING YEARS, how the heck did it get a 7? According to OPM, it took them 5 and a half hours to complete. How does a developer actually manage to make an hour and six minutes of gameplay a YEAR? HOW DID THEY DO IT???? This shouldn't be possible, I just don't understand.

Don't post fanboy comments, please, like "It's the CELL and the PS3 being hard to develop for", because it isn't. How else would Ubisoft say that the CELL isn't any harder, and how else would we get games like Motorstorm and Resistance if far, far less than 5 years? No, it's just beyond me how they managed.

OPM also gave Lair a 6, which actually seems pretty unfair, if you read the review. But on a brighter note, they gave Warhawk a 9 and Singstar PS3 a 9 as well, so it wasn't all depressing reading.

And if you're interested, Stranglehold got an 8. It's supposed to be the world's first review or something.

Cuse heavenly sword isnt that great...... how it took them so long..... its the cell thats so hard to program on

I just got the latest edition of Official Playstation Mag UK, and when I got to the reviews section, I found something that horrified me. They did - they gave Heavenly Sword a 7.

Now, I don't blame the magazine here, that's not what this topic's about. What I want to know is, after five years in development, FIVE ****ING YEARS, how the heck did it get a 7? According to OPM, it took them 5 and a half hours to complete. How does a developer actually manage to make an hour and six minutes of gameplay a YEAR? HOW DID THEY DO IT???? This shouldn't be possible, I just don't understand.

Don't post fanboy comments, please, like "It's the CELL and the PS3 being hard to develop for", because it isn't. How else would Ubisoft say that the CELL isn't any harder, and how else would we get games like Motorstorm and Resistance if far, far less than 5 years? No, it's just beyond me how they managed.

OPM also gave Lair a 6, which actually seems pretty unfair, if you read the review. But on a brighter note, they gave Warhawk a 9 and Singstar PS3 a 9 as well, so it wasn't all depressing reading.

And if you're interested, Stranglehold got an 8. It's supposed to be the world's first review or something.

ShmenonPie

uh....have you seen what other sites gave lair? Try 4.5

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

Cuse heavenly sword isnt that great...... how it took them so long..... its the cell thats so hard to program on

bamafan1434

READ THE ORIGINAL POST!!! ALL OF IT!!! I said specifically that I didn't want Fanboys in here blaming the cell, as it isn't the CELL, it's the developers, if it was the CELL, then how would we get great games in short time? So please, no more ignorance and fanboys.

DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?Koolsen

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?HarlockJC

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

Who knows what going on with the Playstation mags, PSM gave Warhawk a 6.5 and it's a great game, maybe a little pricey for what you get but still that review was way off.

Stranglehold will be big fun though, I have played through the 360 demo about a dozen times so far.

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[QUOTE="Koolsen"]DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?Koolsen

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

Well then who needs good game play has long has the hair looks ok.

Hair > Gameplay

You know all these major hits that I was looking forward to are all just turning into crap...what is going onHarlockJC

Well, Warhawk and Singstar are good, they got high scores, but HS and Lair are flops. Yes, Lems, I said it, Heavenly Sword and Lair are FLOPS!!!!!

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

dracula_16

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

The game was pretty much vaporware between 2003 and 2004. After the developer "Just Add Monters" had finished Kung Fu Chaos on the original Xbox, they were acquired by the studio "Ninja Theory". Ninja Theory had the ideas and artwork for Heavenly Sword, which they then took to Microsoft. Microsoft declined, so Ninja Theory went to Sony instead. Sony granted the game the green light and it became an exclusive to the PS3. This is why there's still a Heavenly Sword gamepage on TeamXbox, since it was once in development for the Xbox 360 too. Development only *properly* started in 2004, so it really took three years to develop, not five. Andy Serkis and Peter Jackson's WETA studio, both of LOTR and King Kong fame, also joined the project half-way through, which probably explains the game's delay.

c wat happens when you are a graphic whore.

[QUOTE="Koolsen"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?HarlockJC

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

Well then who needs good game play has long has the hair looks ok.

Hair > Gameplay

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You know all these major hits that I was looking forward to are all just turning into crap...what is going onShmenonPie

Well, Warhawk and Singstar are good, they got high scores, but HS and Lair are flops. Yes, Lems, I said it, Heavenly Sword and Lair are FLOPS!!!!!

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

dracula_16

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

Too Human would be in the same ballpark, although I really want it to be good. Didn't Kameo take a similar development timeline as well? I thought it started on the N64.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You know all these major hits that I was looking forward to are all just turning into crap...what is going onShmenonPie

Well, Warhawk and Singstar are good, they got high scores, but HS and Lair are flops. Yes, Lems, I said it, Heavenly Sword and Lair are FLOPS!!!!!

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

dracula_16

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

Well then who needs good game play has long has the hair looks ok.

Hair > Gameplay

HarlockJC

In this case, that may be true. But to be honest, the gameplay is supposed to be good, it;s just the lenght and pacing of the game that are bad, it has too many clumps of the same thing, making it repetitive, apparently.

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.ShmenonPie

You're thinking of Too Human, not Mass Effect. So far it has cost Silicon Knights $100 million to make.

Too Human would be in the same ballpark, although I realy want it to be good. Didn't Kameo take a similar development timeline as well? I thought it started on the N64.

mattbbpl

All I know about Kameo was that it was on Xbox 1 at some point, but it could easily have been on N64. It's just that some developers are too ambitious for their own good. Lionhead are a good example, Black and White was not as good as promised, and Fable promised to have trees growing in real time, and actual choices between good and evil. Instead, all it had was 'do this person's bidding or kill them', and in the end, whether you were good or evil, you still had to kill the evil dude at the end. So, I'm not making excuses, but that was probably part of theproblem for Heavenly Sword.

It should have been a film, not a game.

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Too Human would be in the same ballpark, although I realy want it to be good. Didn't Kameo take a similar development timeline as well? I thought it started on the N64.

ShmenonPie

All I know about Kameo was that it was on Xbox 1 at some point, but it could easily have been on N64. It's just that some developers are too ambitious for their own good. Lionhead are a good example, Black and White was not as good as promised, and Fable promised to have trees growing in real time, and actual choices between good and evil. Instead, all it had was 'do this person's bidding or kill them', and in the end, whether you were good or evil, you still had to kill the evil dude at the end. So, I'm not making excuses, but that was probably part of theproblem for Heavenly Sword.

It should have been a film, not a game.

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

ShmenonPie

The game you're trying to refer to is Too Human, but even the devs have put out 2 games in the last 10 years, Eternal Darkness and MGS twin Snakes.

[QUOTE="ShmenonPie"] The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.-Spock-

You're thinking of Too Human, not Mass Effect. So far it has cost Silicon Knights $100 million to make.

Ah, I probably am, but these things confuse me. I can never remember which is which, they're just both "360 games" in my head.

Well isn't it pretty obvious that blu-ray is too small? 6 hours is the most they could fit on the disc. DVD9 FTW.MrEpyx

What? No, it wasn't the disc space, they didn't use a dual layer Blu Ray disc, so they still had an extra 25 Gigabytes to toy around with, so that obviously wasn't the problem. In today's games ,though, DVD9 is too small, as HS would have had to been 3 DVD9's,like Blue Dragon, and nobody likes disc switching.

Another DVD9 woe. Rumour has it that the reason GTA4 was delayed is because it can't all fit on a DVD9, and M$ won't let it be multiple disc, for fear of their bversion being inferior to the PS3 version, so they're holding up release until it can all fit on a DVD9. If it was the PS3 version, then Take Two would probably release the 360 version, as they would get more profit from that, and that would be a good marketing decision, but not such a good one if the PS3's was ready to go, as they wouldn't make as much money, and I'm sure they're contractually obliged to release M$'s first or at the same time as Sony's.

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Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

whocares4peace

The game you're trying to refer to is Too Human, but even the devs have put out 2 games in the last 10 years, Eternal Darkness and MGS twin Snakes.

Yes, it may well be too human, but still, even with two other games released, then it's still a very long time, is 10 years. Insomniac have been doing almost annual releases of games, since the first Ratchet, and they have all been extremely high quality, using their own developed engines and everything, so 2 and a bit games in 10 years is still not impressive.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You know all these major hits that I was looking forward to are all just turning into crap...what is going onShmenonPie

Well, Warhawk and Singstar are good, they got high scores, but HS and Lair are flops. Yes, Lems, I said it, Heavenly Sword and Lair are FLOPS!!!!!

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

dracula_16

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

errm...I don't know where you get your information from but mass effect is not even half way thru a 10 year developement period...I think you have confused too human with mass effect....

Ok let me get this straight. Heavenly Sword has been in development for 5 years and only has 6 hours of gameplay?MassiveKaos

Kind of sad isn't it.

Ok let me get this straight. Heavenly Sword has been in development for 5 years and only has 6 hours of gameplay?MassiveKaos

thats almost an hour gameplay for a year in development :o :) :D

Angry cow alert moooo!!!!! Lol seriously man. Its just a game review. If you don't like the review then ignore it.aznfool07

Yeah, I am an angry Cow, but if I ignored all the reviews that I didn't like, then I would be left with Play's 10/10 review, and that other 9/10 one, so I can't just pretend that the reviews neverexisted, that would be a bit childish.

Ok let me get this straight. Heavenly Sword has been in development for 5 years and only has 6 hours of gameplay?MassiveKaos

5 years = 60 months of development

6 hours = 360 minutes of gameplay

6 minutes of gameplay per month. AMAZING!

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="Koolsen"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?Koolsen

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

Well then who needs good game play has long has the hair looks ok.

Hair > Gameplay

Lol :D

Them marsupials never even stood a chance ....

Developing for PS3 is a living hell developers are forced into dealing with. Even these first party titles with the full force of Sony's financial muscle are cranking out substandard garbage. "Buh teh Cell is stil teh best" give it up already. Its garbage designed to be used as a server for high def video.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You know all these major hits that I was looking forward to are all just turning into crap...what is going onShmenonPie

Well, Warhawk and Singstar are good, they got high scores, but HS and Lair are flops. Yes, Lems, I said it, Heavenly Sword and Lair are FLOPS!!!!!

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

dracula_16

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

That's not Mass Effect, that's Too Human.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]You know all these major hits that I was looking forward to are all just turning into crap...what is going onShmenonPie

Well, Warhawk and Singstar are good, they got high scores, but HS and Lair are flops. Yes, Lems, I said it, Heavenly Sword and Lair are FLOPS!!!!!

They must've been twiddling their thumbs for 4 years and then decided to finally start making the game. To top all of this off, Heavenly Sword has no multiplayer. So what you get is a 6hour button mashing game with no multiplayer...that is flat out robbery.

dracula_16

Isn't it just. I mean, how can you use 5 years just making the animations, actors and cutscenes? It's absolutely crazy, and I was so looking forward to Heavenly Sword, I thought that IGN were being biased and anti-PS3, but I was wrong...

The only worse example is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

Too Human, not Mass Effect.

Ok let me get this straight. Heavenly Sword has been in development for 5 years and only has 6 hours of gameplay?MassiveKaos

words can't quite describe....:lol:

[QUOTE="Koolsen"]DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?HarlockJC

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

bahahahah lol lol lol

e is Mass Effect, that's been in development for 10 years, was originally on PS, then GC, the 360, so if that flops, then that's 10 years down the tiolet, which is even worse, but even so, 10 years for an AAA game still sems like a verrrrry long time.

ShmenonPie

I think you mean Too Human.

EGM gave it an 8, an 8, and a 9.

GameInformer gave it an 8.75. Aren't these reviews just as valid? Why take the low onesas the standard?

GI also said the combat was very satisfying and fun. moments like headshotting soldiers with a crossbow are some of the best moments of 07 gaming.

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[QUOTE="Koolsen"]DOnt know but.... MIght have gone all into cutscenes?Koolsen

But at least the hair looks good...Right?

Yes, but Bioshock takes place under water; Heavenly Sword does not take place inside of a hair salon.