Sheep, stop scapegoating Ubisoft

[QUOTE="JLF1"]Ubisoft is doing the exact same thing as Nintendo. They cater to both the casual and hardcore market but the difference is Ubisoft sees the Wii owners as the casual market and PS3, 360 and PC owners as the hardcore market.

It makes perfect sense from a business perspevtive. Why did every sheep defend Nintendo at E3 and claimed that Nintendo has the right show whatever they want because it made sense from a business perspective but Ubisoft has not the right to do so?
KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

Hewkii

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Did Wii sports and Wii play show the quality of Nintendo's development team?

[QUOTE="JLF1"]Ubisoft is doing the exact same thing as Nintendo. They cater to both the casual and hardcore market but the difference is Ubisoft sees the Wii owners as the casual market and PS3, 360 and PC owners as the hardcore market.

It makes perfect sense from a business perspevtive. Why did every sheep defend Nintendo at E3 and claimed that Nintendo has the right show whatever they want because it made sense from a business perspective but Ubisoft has not the right to do so?
KungfuKitten

There's a difference between casual and crap.

Not for Ubisoft, both of those sell.

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

Hewkii

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

JLF1

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Did Wii sports and Wii play show the quality of Nintendo's development team?

Indeed. Wii sports was praised by sheep left and right last year. Isn't it obvious that Nintendo's focus lays in a whole different ball game now. Like I said, taking mainstream gaming to a new low.

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

PullTheTricker

even if it was meant for a different audience, I don't see why they would have, quote "Numerous noticeable bugs and glitches."

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

Hewkii

even if it was meant for a different audience, I don't see why they would have, quote "Numerous noticeable bugs and glitches."

Did it ever occur to you that during the development process, they run out of time, and they obviously need to keep in reach within their budget.

Thats business. Do those same people blaming Ubisoft... blame Nintendo for their focus on their financial well-being and sales bragging in this years E3?

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

PullTheTricker

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

Hewkii

even if it was meant for a different audience, I don't see why they would have, quote "Numerous noticeable bugs and glitches."

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

air_wolf_cubed

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

If due to financial reasons you cannot afford another system. You definitely need to keep your mouth shut, no offense. You get what you pay for. Thats not an argument to scapegoat Ubisoft.

Did it ever occur to you that during the development process, they run out of time, and they obviously need to keep in reach within their budget.

PullTheTricker

if they ran out of time, that shows bad time management on their part, not exactly a plus.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

PullTheTricker

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

If due to financial reasons you cannot afford another system. You definitely need to keep your mouth shut, no offense. You get what you pay for. Thats not an argument to scapegoat Ubisoft.

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Did it ever occur to you that during the development process, they run out of time, and they obviously need to keep in reach within their budget.

Hewkii

if they ran out of time, that shows bad time management on their part, not exactly a plus.

Talk about bad time management. Super Smash Brawl still has just been released recently in my place. I live in the EU btw.

And please respond to my other qeustion. ''Do those same people blaming Ubisoft... blame Nintendo for their focus on their financial well-being and sales bragging in this years E3?''

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Indeed. Wii sports was praised by sheep left and right last year. Isn't it obvious that Nintendo's focus lays in a whole different ball game now. Like I said, taking mainstream gaming to a new low.

gamecubepad

I probably won't be the only one to remind you of last year's GOTY Mario Galaxy. What about Zelda:Twilight Princess, Mario Kart, WarioWare, Super Paper Mario, Metriod Prime 3, and SSBB? Those games are some of the best in the industry. All coming from Nintendo. Ubisoft makes Raving Rabbids for the Wii and they are somehow equal to Nintendo. Wow.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Indeed. Wii sports was praised by sheep left and right last year. Isn't it obvious that Nintendo's focus lays in a whole different ball game now. Like I said, taking mainstream gaming to a new low.

JLF1

I probably won't be the only one to remind you of last year's GOTY Mario Galaxy. What about Zelda:Twilight Princess, Mario Kart, WarioWare, Super Paper Mario, Metriod Prime 3, and SSBB? Those games are some of the best in the industry. All coming from Nintendo. Ubisoft makes Raving Rabbids for the Wii and they are somehow equal to Nintendo. Wow.

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Did it ever occur to you that during the development process, they run out of time, and they obviously need to keep in reach within their budget.

Hewkii

if they ran out of time, that shows bad time management on their part, not exactly a plus.

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

A High Budget trash game? That makes matter even worse. Doesn't that that mean that alot of effort was put into the game during the development process?

air_wolf_cubed

which shows the quality of Ubisoft's development team, I suppose.

Do you realise that they are catering to a whole different target audience?

If sheep are not satisfied, why not just buy a PC/360 or PS3 for optimal satisfaction?

If due to financial reasons you cannot afford another system. You definitely need to keep your mouth shut, no offense. You get what you pay for. Thats not an argument to scapegoat Ubisoft.

Did you notice the list I posted in my OP first post?

Sorry but, we all know, what you have become is obvious. They are responsible for some of the best games in the industry.

Once again, stop goatscaping Ubisoft. They do exactly what Nintendo is doing, catering to both the Hardcore and Casual gamer. If you're not satisfied with their casual department of games their developer produce, then simply try and save some money for a more worthy gaming system that fits your needs for better satisfaction.

Yes I get what I pay for and Ubisoft not giving anyone a fair share a quality is pretty BS. Idc I still got my awesomest great games that arent made by Ubisoft. Ubisoft sucks. My opinion. Not changing that

air_wolf_cubed

So does Nintendo. My opinion. Not changing that.

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them and I don't like Nintendo for the same reason. Nintendo does not need hardcore gamers? Well I don't need Nintendo.

Even when Ubisoft promised "Nintendo-like" quality games for the Wii?

*inb4 quote is taken out context*

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
No one is saying that Ubisoft is equal to Nintendo but the fact that both of these companies have released crap on the Wii is true.

Why should Nintendo have a free pass because they also released a great game? If you hate on Ubisoft because they release crap games on the Wii you should also hate Nintendo for the same reason. gamecubepad

Nintendo released crap games? Like what? Wii Sports is a pack-in game that received a 7.8 rating. Wii Play is a pack-in game that comes with a controller. If Ubisoft released Red Steel with a Wiimote for $49.99 I would be stoked. Red Steel was definitely worth $10 at release. So enlighten me on the crap games.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"] Yes I get what I pay for and Ubisoft not giving anyone a fair share a quality is pretty BS. Idc I still got my awesomest great games that arent made by Ubisoft. Ubisoft sucks. My opinion. Not changing that

JLF1

So does Nintendo. My opinion. Not changing that.

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them and I don't like Nintendo for the same reason. Nintendo does not need hardcore gamers? Well I don't need Nintendo.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
No one is saying that Ubisoft is equal to Nintendo but the fact that both of these companies have released crap on the Wii is true.

Why should Nintendo have a free pass because they also released a great game? If you hate on Ubisoft because they release crap games on the Wii you should also hate Nintendo for the same reason. gamecubepad

Nintendo released crap games? Like what? Wii Sports is a pack-in game that received a 7.8 rating. Wii Play is a pack-in game that comes with a controller. If Ubisoft released Red Steel with a Wiimote for $49.99 I would be stoked. Red Steel was definitely worth $10 at release. So enlighten me on the crap games.

Mario Party 8?

Mario And Sonic at the Olympics

Fire Emblem

Pokemon Battle Revolution

Just a few that are on the same level as Red Steel.

Nintendo has the same focus plan as Ubisoft. they both develop games for the hardcore, and casual.

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them

JLF1

Bingo!

Sheep have a demand from devs. They want special treatment.

When you buy a PS3 and 360 you essentially agree that you will have a poor supply of casual games to choose from.

Same can be said about the Wii vice versa. Ubisoft is not the one to blame for the cause of poor third party support.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
No one is saying that Ubisoft is equal to Nintendo but the fact that both of these companies have released crap on the Wii is true.

Why should Nintendo have a free pass because they also released a great game? If you hate on Ubisoft because they release crap games on the Wii you should also hate Nintendo for the same reason. PullTheTricker

Nintendo released crap games? Like what? Wii Sports is a pack-in game that received a 7.8 rating. Wii Play is a pack-in game that comes with a controller. If Ubisoft released Red Steel with a Wiimote for $49.99 I would be stoked. Red Steel was definitely worth $10 at release. So enlighten me on the crap games.

Mario Party 8? Hudson

Mario And Sonic at the Olympics Sega

Fire Emblem If you think this sucks you need to open your eyes

Pokemon Battle Revolution Genius sorority

Just a few that are on the same level as Red Steel.

Nintendo has the same focus plan as Ubisoft. they both develop games for the hardcore, and casual.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
No one is saying that Ubisoft is equal to Nintendo but the fact that both of these companies have released crap on the Wii is true.

Why should Nintendo have a free pass because they also released a great game? If you hate on Ubisoft because they release crap games on the Wii you should also hate Nintendo for the same reason. PullTheTricker

Nintendo released crap games? Like what? Wii Sports is a pack-in game that received a 7.8 rating. Wii Play is a pack-in game that comes with a controller. If Ubisoft released Red Steel with a Wiimote for $49.99 I would be stoked. Red Steel was definitely worth $10 at release. So enlighten me on the crap games.

Mario Party 8?

Mario And Sonic at the Olympics

Fire Emblem

Pokemon Battle Revolution

Just a few that are on the same level as Red Steel.

Nintendo has the same focus plan as Ubisoft. they both develop games for the hardcore, and casual.

Woah woah woah, Fire Emblem = Bad?

Lark was 100% off on that review. I'm on my sixth play through and still haven't gotten bored or lost my addiction to it.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them

PullTheTricker

Bingo!

Sheep have a demand from devs. They want special treatment.

When you buy a PS3 and 360 you essentially agree that you will have a poor supply of casual games to choose from.

Same can be said about the Wii vice versa. Ubisoft is not the one to blame for the cause of poor third party support.

fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.Shinobishyguy

Notice the Nintendo label? Don't just come dismiss my point by denying things.

These games are published by Nintendo. EA publishes Call of Duty 4, CoD4 is considered a EA product.

Ubisoft has montreal studios... do we go and deny that Red Steel was made by Ubisoft? No.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.JLF1

Hal laboratory's is owned by nintendo.

The same can't be said for Hudson.,

The difference between nintendo and ubisoft is that nintendo actually makes great games for their system. More so than they make shovelware. Same can't be said for ubisoft.

Ubisoft is not to blame for their poor Wii games? I thought they developed them? Did I miss something?air_wolf_cubed

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.JLF1

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them

air_wolf_cubed

Bingo!

Sheep have a demand from devs. They want special treatment.

When you buy a PS3 and 360 you essentially agree that you will have a poor supply of casual games to choose from.

Same can be said about the Wii vice versa. Ubisoft is not the one to blame for the cause of poor third party support.

Do you realise that they are not the only one responsible for producing these casual games on the Wii?

Nintendo does the exact same thing, and yet you blame Ubisoft exclusively for it.

There's a difference between not getting any games at all and getting loads of crappy games. If Ubisoft isn't going to take the wii seriously, they shouldn't bother at all. Until they get their act together, I will criticise them

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]
Ubisoft is not to blame for their poor Wii games? I thought they developed them? Did I miss something?JLF1

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.Shinobishyguy

Hal laboratory's is owned by nintendo.

The same can't be said for Hudson.,

The difference between nintendo and ubisoft is that nintendo actually makes great games for their system. More so than they make shovelware. Same can't be said for ubisoft.

According to Gamespot SSBB is developed by Game Arts. Game Arts is not owned by Nintendo.

What about Wii play? is that not a crap game?

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="JLF1"]
You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them PullTheTricker

Sheep have a demand from devs. They want special treatment.

When you buy a PS3 and 360 you essentially agree that you will have a poor supply of casual games to choose from.

Same can be said about the Wii vice versa. Ubisoft is not the one to blame for the cause of poor third party support.

Nintendo does the exact same thing, and yet you blame Ubisoft exclusively for it.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them

PullTheTricker

Bingo!

Sheep have a demand from devs. They want special treatment.

When you buy a PS3 and 360 you essentially agree that you will have a poor supply of casual games to choose from.

Same can be said about the Wii vice versa. Ubisoft is not the one to blame for the cause of poor third party support.

Do you realise that they are not the only one responsible for producing these casual games on the Wii?

Nintendo does the exact same thing, and yet you blame Ubisoft exclusively for it.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="PullTheTricker"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

You don't like Ubisoft because they don't release the games you want from them

PullTheTricker

Bingo!

Sheep have a demand from devs. They want special treatment.

When you buy a PS3 and 360 you essentially agree that you will have a poor supply of casual games to choose from.

Same can be said about the Wii vice versa. Ubisoft is not the one to blame for the cause of poor third party support.

Do you realise that they are not the only one responsible for producing these casual games on the Wii?

Nintendo does the exact same thing, and yet you blame Ubisoft exclusively for it.

Meanwhile I can think of quite a couple of good nintendo games for the wii.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.air_wolf_cubed

Ubisoft has made Ghost Recon Advanced War Fighter, 9.0 in Gamespot. Rainbow Six Vegas 9.4 in Gamespot. Assassins Creed 9.0 in Gamespot.

Your point?

Both Ubisoft and Nintendo produce their lesser and better games.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.JLF1

Hal laboratory's is owned by nintendo.

The same can't be said for Hudson.,

The difference between nintendo and ubisoft is that nintendo actually makes great games for their system. More so than they make shovelware. Same can't be said for ubisoft.

According to Gamespot SSBB is developed by Game Arts. Game Arts is not owned by Nintendo.

What about Wii play? is that not a crap game?

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.PullTheTricker

Ubisoft has made Ghost Recon Advanced War Fighter, 9.0 in Gamespot. Rainbow Six Vegas 9.4 in Gamespot. Assassins Creed 9.0 in Gamespot.

Your point?

Both Ubisoft and Nintendo produce their lesser and better games.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.air_wolf_cubed

Does SMG make Wii play stop existing? I never said that Nintendo is not developing great games but are also developing bad games. Praise Nintendo for the great games and hate on them the same you hate on Ubisoft for the bad games they are releasing is all I'm saying.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.PullTheTricker

Ubisoft has made Ghost Recon Advanced War Fighter, 9.0 in Gamespot. Rainbow Six Vegas 9.4 in Gamespot. Assassins Creed 9.0 in Gamespot.

Your point?

Both Ubisoft and Nintendo produce their lesser and better games.

Problem, Nintendo doesn't develop or publish for other systems. Ubisoft does. The Wii is capable of good graphics and good gameplay at the same time. Dead Rising, The Conduit, and Galaxy seem to support my graphics argument. How is it then that no Ubisoft developed game has scored an AAA on GS for the Wii? Sheep don't completely blame Ubisoft for the casual games, but I speak for many manticores and sheep when I say they are by far the largest contributor.

I've been seeing some harsh hate against Ubisoft by sheep lately.

In that case, you might as well hate the whole industry for your lack of third party support. But for some reason you sheep seem to be scapegoating Ubisoft?

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway

Far Cry 2

EndWar

H.A.W.X

Prince of Persia

Beyond Good & Evil 2

Splinter Cell: Conviction

Just a few examples upcoming games for 2008.

More succesfull franchises such as Ghost Recon, RainbowSix and Myst.

What exactly are you trying to achieve by scapegoating Ubisoft?

PullTheTricker

im sure that if we would replace those games on your list with the wii games made by ubisoft you would change your view.

the bad thing about ubisoft is people KNOW they can do better !!

if you think sheep are the only one saying that those ubisoft wii games are bad,why not try too find a cow or lemming saying something positive about those games:P

if developer dont put there soul into there games ,they dont deserves Anny respect but thats maybe just my view;)

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]fixed for you. None of those games were made by nintendo themselves.JLF1

Does SMG make Wii play stop existing? I never said that Nintendo is not developing great games but are also developing bad games. Praise Nintendo for the great games and hate on them the same you hate on Ubisoft for the bad games they are releasing is all I'm saying.