Shigeru Miyamoto is keeping Nintendo stuck in the past.

Mr. Miyamoto may have been a pioneer in the gaming world, and his contributions are exceptionally noteworthy without doubt, but he's also become one of Nintendo's biggest thorns. He should do the right thing and step away from the company. Thank goodness for Satoru Iwata, because if Mr. M were president, we would never see ANY violent or mature titles even attempted to be made for the Wii, and it would have never been made online capable, no matter what you think of Nintendo's current haphazard online scheme. Remember how he totally dissed Rare during the N64 era over Goldeneye, because the game features guns and violence? Even though it was one of the best games (and some say THE best) for the system.

Although he's more or less just a figurehead now, why does he still have so much influence there? Game developers have caught up with, and surpassed his ideas and concepts for a long time now. Yet still, it seems every game made for the Wii has to have his personal stamp of approval and blessing to be made for the system. Well, I think that's a load. We live in the "What have you done for me lately?" age now, and Mr. Miyamoto, it seems, is happy to ride out the coattails of his past accomplishments until the day he dies, without attempting anything new or groundbreaking as Super Mario 64 was thirteen years ago. Wii Music? Well, I think we all know how that one turned out.

Sony didn't have any trouble pushing Ken Kutaragi out the door, and his influence was just as strong over there as Mr. Miyamoto's was to Nintendo. Yea, Krazy Ken was known for saying some ridiculous things -- "4d gaming, 120 fps on ps3 games, you will work harder to buy a ps3" , but he was also an electronics genius, and the Playstation brand would never have achieved the heights it did without him. Even said, Sony knew it was time to pull the plug and gave Mr. Kutaragi an honorary sendoff 2 years ago.

Well, it's gone well past that time for Shigeru Miyamoto. I just think it's sad that the multitude of Mario and Nintendo fans here (and everywhere) can't seem to come to grips with this.

P.S. --- I would have attempted to send this in for the Soapbox , but seeing as how Gamespot's editors won't accept anything criticizing the big N, I didn't bother. So if you have something noteworthy to add that contradictis all the crud being put in there , post it in System Wars. Fight the power.

How dare you disrespect Mr Miyamoto :| hes gonna be in this industry for a while ;)

Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.enterawesome

You might have had a point if Nintendo isnt the market leader at the moment.

You might have had a point if Nintendo isnt the market leader at the moment.

XaosII

You might have had a point if Nintendo isnt the market leader at the moment.

XaosII

I guess if you only look at it in monetary value, you could see it that way. I happen to see a sea of shovelware, and a few tired old first party games without any innovation in the past decade.

we would never see ANY violent or mature titles even attempted to be made for the Wii

ChiefFreeman

So that's all the future of video games is to you?

I'd also like to point out that miyamoto can't be keeping nintendo in the past because him and iwata are the ones who introduced the wii-series games. And in the past, those games didn't exist.

I guess if you only look at it in monetary value, you could see it that way. I happen to see a sea of shovelware, and a few tired old first party games without any innovation in the past decade.

ChiefFreeman

What an ironic statement coming from someone who has RE5 for his avatar.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

we would never see ANY violent or mature titles even attempted to be made for the Wii

goblaa

So that's all the future of video games is to you?

I'd also like to point out that miyamoto can't be keeping nintendo in the past because him and iwata are the ones who introduced the wii-series games. And in the past, those games didn't exist.

His thing about violence isn't even relevant. Toriko42

That was his entire post though...

Miyamoto isn't even a gamer, I don't think he has any ability to push the industry ahead anymore. It's evolved past him. [QUOTE="enterawesome"]Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.Toriko42

are ypu aware of the wii phenominon that is going on right now? hes moved the gaming industry forward more than anyone else this gen... just..in a different direction. Just because its not one that you are particularly fond of, doesnt mean that it isnt opening the doors for millions of other people to enjoy. Look at natal, and sonys wands, all coming from his simple wii sports and wii fit games.

Wow you guys are such nice people, even being the most influential game designer ever existed in your opinions need to be kicked out the door the moment he fails to bring out an AAA. Very kind of you guys. :)

Wow you guys are such nice people, even being the most influential game designer ever existed in your opinions need to be kicked out the door the moment he fails to bring out an AAA. Very kind of you guys. :)

PSdual_wielder

funny thing is, that is last game he put out was a AA, before that was a AAAe game of the year

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

You might have had a point if Nintendo isnt the market leader at the moment.

Lethalhazard

Joke?

SMG - Highest rated exclusive this gen.

SSBB, and Nintendogs - two Nintendo franchises to achieve a perfect 40/40 on Famitsu.

So pretty much Nintendo, and Miyamoto are providing gamers around the globe with what they want, and if it wasn't for Miyamoto's creations we'd be stuck with games and consoles targeting one tiny demographic which would cause the industry to crash eventually. Thankfully the mindset at Nintendo is that if gaming shall continue there must be people attracting new gamers into the market.

Anyone dissing Nintendo, or Miyamoto should be ashamed if they are to consider themselves gamers.

yeah wii expanded the audience but does that mean that the industry is going forward?more casual gamers means more casual games and less hardcore or old school gamer games. nintendo is making games for everyone especially for little children,if i have children one day they will get to play on the nintendo platform first,why?,cause it will be simple and easy games...but its not for me,even the last zelda was kinda weak to its predessesors ,the only 2 games i enjoyed were galaxy and fire emblem,thats all .

so in the end miyamoto isnt keeping nintendo in the past ,you grow ...they keep their market stable throught the years.its nice that there is a console for starters out there,its not that you dont have alternatives buy a freaking 360 or a ps3 .....

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

You might have had a point if Nintendo isnt the market leader at the moment.

treedoor

Joke?

SMG - Highest rated exclusive this gen.

SSBB, and Nintendogs - two Nintendo franchises to achieve a perfect 40/40 on Famitsu.

So pretty much Nintendo, and Miyamoto are providing gamers around the globe with what they want, and if it wasn't for Miyamoto's creations we'd be stuck with games and consoles targeting one tiny demographic which would cause the industry to crash eventually. Thankfully the mindset at Nintendo is that if gaming shall continue there must be people attracting new gamers into the market.

Anyone dissing Nintendo, or Miyamoto should be ashamed if they are to consider themselves gamers.

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] I think he's speaking from a "gamers" standpoint, not a business standpoint.Lethalhazard

Joke?

SMG - Highest rated exclusive this gen.

SSBB, and Nintendogs - two Nintendo franchises to achieve a perfect 40/40 on Famitsu.

So pretty much Nintendo, and Miyamoto are providing gamers around the globe with what they want, and if it wasn't for Miyamoto's creations we'd be stuck with games and consoles targeting one tiny demographic which would cause the industry to crash eventually. Thankfully the mindset at Nintendo is that if gaming shall continue there must be people attracting new gamers into the market.

Anyone dissing Nintendo, or Miyamoto should be ashamed if they are to consider themselves gamers.

I don't like the Wii either, but I'm not going to sit here and bash Nintendo for bringing new gamers into a market I love which in turn keeps it thriving.

Shiggy is entertained.

I don't think so. Firstly, he designed the Wii and 50 million people bought it. Over 20 million bought Wii fit - almost equal to the size of the PS3's entire install base. Nobody has expanded gaming like he has. Not to mention he designed the DS too along with Nintendogs. His recent games that interest you but they're still good for what they are. If anything, its you who is stuck in the past sir. Gaming is evolving.

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Miyamoto isn't even a gamer, I don't think he has any ability to push the industry ahead anymore. It's evolved past him. [QUOTE="enterawesome"]Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.VendettaRed07

are ypu aware of the wii phenominon that is going on right now? hes moved the gaming industry forward more than anyone else this gen... just..in a different direction. Just because its not one that you are particularly fond of, doesnt mean that it isnt opening the doors for millions of other people to enjoy. Look at natal, and sonys wands, all coming from his simple wii sports and wii fit games.

People shouldn't worry about Miyamoto, he is just a face and basically don't do anything except putting his name on the big games.

It irritates me a little though that the real latest geniuses at Nintendo are barely recognised because Nintendo is too afraid to loose the Miyamoto brand. When was the last time you heard people talk about the real genius behind all 3D zelda games or the guy behind Super Mario Galaxy?

You might have had a point if Nintendo isnt the market leader at the moment.

XaosII

Miyamoto isn't even a gamer, I don't think he has any ability to push the industry ahead anymore. It's evolved past him. [QUOTE="enterawesome"]Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.Toriko42

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and een the most ardent and follish Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are iof the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

ChiefFreeman

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

ChiefFreeman

Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.enterawesome

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.deluxemando

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.deluxemando

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

ChiefFreeman

I must agree/ All the guy really does now is make shovelware like wii music. Hes only interested in simple moronic games that people like himself and my grandmother can play. Lets face it hes 50 odd now right? Nothing but a washed up old man making lame games that appeal to the simple who can't play real games.

He needs to take a backseat and start letting the real talent there make new games and new ip's.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

Thunderdrone

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

ChiefFreeman

Blizzard makes WoW, and WoW is insanely casual.

Catering to the hardcore first. lol at that statement.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

treedoor

Blizzard makes WoW, and WoW is insanely casual.

Catering to the hardcore first. lol at that statement.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

Nintendos 'Blue Ocean Strategy' has expanded the Wii's audience, but at the same time alienated much of their loyal hard core fanbase. They could learn some things from a real game company like Blizzard. They believe in catering to the hardcore first. Accessibility comes later. I couldn't agree more, and even the most ardent Nintendo fan can't knock the dominance of Blizzard. Their games are of the highest quality, and they are better than Nintendo.

Lethalhazard

Blizzard and Valve have theprivilege to act the way they do because there are other fish in the pond. If everyone followed their methods, you wouldnt be playing games today.

And since this is a Nintendo related thread, lets just get this out of the way, they dont make shovelware and you'd be hardpressed to find another developer who polishes games as mush as they do, when nintendo puts a game in the shelves it is DONE, it WORKS.

Blizzard and Valve dont count, they would take 10x longer to do something like Galaxy from scratch.

So the man behind pretty much every best selling game this gen and the best selling console and handheld should be "kicked to the curb"? Are you insane? His ideas are pushing the industry forward. Proof? Nintendo was responsible for 99% of ALL growth last year in the industry mostly on HIS back. This post is ridiculous. VideoGameGuy

WoW used to be pretty hardcore. I'm saddened that they casualized it so much Lethalhazard

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]So the man behind pretty much every best selling game this gen and the best selling console and handheld should be "kicked to the curb"? Are you insane? His ideas are pushing the industry forward. Proof? Nintendo was responsible for 99% of ALL growth last year in the industry mostly on HIS back. This post is ridiculous. Lethalhazard

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] Blizzard shouldnt be an example to anybody. The only reason anyone puts up with their obnoxious stance on release dates is because there are other companies that keep them busy with their games while Blizzard employees waste their time with philosofical disscussions about Kerrigan's crotch design. If Blizzard were responsible for a console, three years later, you'd still be playing the two games they were so kind to release. And this is coming from someone who loves their games (not WoW, **** that. it ruined Warcraft)Thunderdrone

Blizzard and Valve have theprivilege to act the way they do because there are other fish in the pond. If everyone followed their methods, you wouldnt be playing games today.

And since this is a Nintendo related thread, lets just get this out of the way, they dont make shovelware and you'd be hardpressed to find another developer who polishes games as mush as they do, when nintendo puts a game in the shelves it is DONE, it WORKS.

Blizzard and Valve dont count, they would take 10x longer to do something like Galaxy from scratch.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] WoW used to be pretty hardcore. I'm saddened that they casualized it so much Thunderdrone

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]So the man behind pretty much every best selling game this gen and the best selling console and handheld should be "kicked to the curb"? Are you insane? His ideas are pushing the industry forward. Proof? Nintendo was responsible for 99% of ALL growth last year in the industry mostly on HIS back. This post is ridiculous. VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Miyamoto made Super Mario Galaxy. Miyamoto is pushing the inudstry forward.Birdy09