Shocking: Analyst Predicts GTA V Will Outsell Call of Duty In 2012

I don't know what this guy's smoking, but:

"It goes without saying that GTA V will be one of the year's biggest releases, but I will take it one step farther and say GTA V will be 2012's biggest release," boldly predicted Divnich.

"Don't get me wrong, Call of Duty will undoubtedly be huge, as it is every year and it may even grow, but if I had to call what will be a photo finish race, I will go with GTA V."

Source:IndustryGamers

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

And I love how the industry just expects a new CoD game each year. It has become the Madden of FPSs. It's absolutly pathetic.

GTA5 sure wont get my money so they lost 1 copy :P. CoD day 1 like every year to be more on topic not even close! nothing beats the beast that is CoD

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

Wasdie

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

And I love how the industry just expects a new CoD game each year. It has become the Madden of FPSs. It's absolutly pathetic.

Wasdie

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

If any game could do it,it would be GTATwoFace-BS

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

And I love how the industry just expects a new CoD game each year. It has become the Madden of FPSs. It's absolutly pathetic.

WickoSicko

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

And I love how the industry just expects a new CoD game each year. It has become the Madden of FPSs. It's absolutly pathetic.

Wasdie

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

They like the formula: perks, custom classes, killstreaks, 60 FPS and a lot of action. We can't blame them for having fun, can we?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

WickoSicko

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

They like the formula: perks, custom classes, killstreaks, 60 FPS and a lot of action. We can't blame them for having fun, can we?

this gta will at least feel fresh and not totally deja vu.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

And I love how the industry just expects a new CoD game each year. It has become the Madden of FPSs. It's absolutly pathetic.

Wasdie

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

But it IS fun! why is it so hard for some people to get that? :P i have bought every single CoD game after CoD4 and have enjoyed them all. when you see someone with over 30 days of playtime with a game its not because their being forced or been "brainwashed" to play it, its because the game is pure fun and addicting to play online especially with friends. i will buy black ops 2 or whatever CoD coming out this year because i want to, because i know it will be as fun as the other CoD games. just sayin :P

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

WickoSicko

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

They like the formula: perks, custom classes, killstreaks, 60 FPS and a lot of action. We can't blame them for having fun, can we?

I can blame people for getting stuck in their ways and refuse to try something different. I can blame Activision for constantly milking that forumla and not giving people a chance to try something new. I can blame Activision and the gamers who primarily play CoD for forcing developers to dumb down every game so people never lose, just like CoD's gameplay.

Hopefully with BF3 on the market people will start to see there is something different. We now need a new Halo and some other shooters that aren't modern military to break the mold.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

That's not shocking at all. GTA sells a ton and doesn't have early releases so people get more excited over them.

And I love how the industry just expects a new CoD game each year. It has become the Madden of FPSs. It's absolutly pathetic.

Wasdie

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

Sounds kind of harsh, though I guess the series is so incredibly popular because its a big household name and people don't like taking risks and yaddah yaddah, I still kind of enjoy the campaigns and co-op. At this point I'm starting to grow tired, but I can see how new players can enjoy it

Anyways, the GTA series is one of my all time favorite series (of all time), and I really hope this is true, especially since they were record breakers before CoD, and Rockstar games generally sell buttloads.

The problem I think is that while a long time is great to get excited (and the new one looks kind of like it has every single thing fans have ever wanted), I feel like its easy for games to fall out of the collective conscious outside of hardcore gamers. I mean, Call of Duty is a juggernaut, everyone expected MW3 to start a drop in the franchise and sell less then Black Ops, and it kind of shocked a lot of people (especially me, since its the first year me and a few friends I know didn't even buy it and I simply borrowed it for the campaign and co-op).

At the same time, I am hearing more skepticism then usual about its quality (no doubt due to the yearly fatiguing and departure of the original IW), and I think if anyone could regain the hardcore game sales crown, its probably the former holder of said crown, and my favorite publisher Rockstar games. So, I'll say... maybe. Honestly, ever since some guy predicted Portal 2 being at the Sony E3 conference I feel like I can never be allowed to agree with a prediction unless its wildly impossible (like, Tekken outselling CoD), and this sounds like something I can see happening.

The GTA series for me is a guaranteed buy, it still has sway with less hardcore gamers who know the series for all the media and revolutionizing it did before, and its got sway with hardcore gamers for just being damn good. Maybe if Rockstar doesn't neglect potential PC sales (which could really make a difference), then I'll give it a big "maybe, possibly", though there's also the matter of how the Wii/Wii U could impact sales, but I don't ant to go into that. Hopefully it does outsell CoD and its the wake up call Activision needs to inject change and a small break for the series so I can love it like I used to (though hopefully not the kind of change Tony Hawk went through... yeesh, good thing for the new HD Downloadable though).

Not that I want this because I hate CoD and love GTA, but because I want GTA to succeed and also still have hope for CoD as a franchise to be more then simple dumb fun for a weekend after MW2, and think someone scaring them from the number one spot is just the thing.

Also is it even coming out in 2012? Rockstar always delays the crap out of their games nowadays, so I think 2013 might be just as likely, if not more so.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

Wasdie

They like the formula: perks, custom classes, killstreaks, 60 FPS and a lot of action. We can't blame them for having fun, can we?

I can blame people for getting stuck in their ways and refuse to try something different. I can blame Activision for constantly milking that forumla and not giving people a chance to try something new. I can blame Activision and the gamers who primarily play CoD for forcing developers to dumb down every game so people never lose, just like CoD's gameplay.

Hopefully with BF3 on the market people will start to see there is something different. We now need a new Halo and some other shooters that aren't modern military to break the mold.

How will BF3 change anything, though? It's a military shooter, but people that like CoD will still continue to get CoD, as I see it.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

It's not pathetic if you didn't forget that there are two developers working on CoD, since a few years back.

finalstar2007

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

But it IS fun! why is it so hard for some people to get that? :P i have bought every single CoD game after CoD4 and have enjoyed them all. when you see someone with over 30 days of playtime with a game its not because their being forced or been "brainwashed" to play it, its because the game is pure fun and addicting to play online especially with friends. i will buy black ops 2 or whatever CoD coming out this year because i want to, because i know it will be as fun as the other CoD games. just sayin :P

Yeah because CoD is the only game that doesn't let you lose that's on the market. It's pathetic. I played MW3 for about 3 hours online and got insanely bored. It's to easy. The game plays itself more or less.

You now can completely silence a weapon and eliminate it's recoil. The game's generous aim-assist makes shooting people insanely easy. The game's fundamentals refuse to let people lose for to long and have really dumbed down the multiplayer experiance to a derivative, mindless, and extremely reptitive experiance.

I would be totally fine if the CoD games would just stick to that game and not infest the rest of gaming. However we've seen games from all genres and developers be stripped down and simplified to make them more like CoD so the CoD fans wouldn't **** that the game is to hard. The BF3 community is loaded with CoD people right now wanted some of the most unbalanced gameplay mechanics to be enhanced even further because they are having problems getting quick and easy kills like they are used to in CoD. Crysis had to go to a pure linear grind fest because CoD fans don't understand the concept of a sandbox world. Dragon Age 2 had to go to an ARPG with a linear story because choices are beyond that of the CoD player. Mass Effect 2 stripped down a lot of the RPG mechanics to focus on shooting for the CoD fan. Following the PR of most of these games you'll hear the developers talk about the "CoD community."

Operation Flashpoint was dumbed down to no end thanks to trying to capture the CoD audience, Red Orchestra 2 implemented a CoD style leveling and unlock system that unbalances the game and plays no real point all to appeal to the CoD audience, Rainbow Six is now a linear corridor shooter which tries to play off of the CoD formula. Even Killzone 3 sped up and included CoD style leveling systems and BS to attract that crowd. It's absolutely pathetic.

These developers, in the attempts to capture the CoD audience have not really made any of their games better. They've consistently dumbed them down for the audience. They then pick up some sales from the CoD audience only to lose all of their community the second a new CoD map pack comes out.

Don't believe me? Watch BF3's number rise steadily for another month until the next CoD map pack comes out. Then they'll fall like a rock. This happens with all of the games and the community spreads it's constant want for simpler and less intuitive gameplay because they find it more fun.

GTA is the only game that could dent this becuase the same fans also grew up playing the various GTA games. However don't expect GTA V's multiplayer to be alive for more than a month, they'll all go running back to the endless mappacks and other DLC for CoD the moment that stuff comes out.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

They like the formula: perks, custom classes, killstreaks, 60 FPS and a lot of action. We can't blame them for having fun, can we?

WickoSicko

I can blame people for getting stuck in their ways and refuse to try something different. I can blame Activision for constantly milking that forumla and not giving people a chance to try something new. I can blame Activision and the gamers who primarily play CoD for forcing developers to dumb down every game so people never lose, just like CoD's gameplay.

Hopefully with BF3 on the market people will start to see there is something different. We now need a new Halo and some other shooters that aren't modern military to break the mold.

How will BF3 change anything, though? It's a military shooter, but people that like CoD will still continue to get CoD, as I see it.

Not necessarily. I mean, BF3 kind of mixed old school BF action with EA kind of ripping off CoD in some aspects (kind of poorly too). I can see BF3's popularity and success as a potential for the BF series being bigger, and though you could say CoD fans will stay CoD fans, I think that the wildly popularTony Hawk series being outsold by new and unproven IP .skate shows that if CoD overstays its welcome, critical acclaim will wane and eventually a competitor will beat it.

Though I really wish this didn't start to turn into a big CoD and BF thread again. I mean, I want to talk about GTA!

Did you guys see the trailer! It had jets! And houses you could probably buy! And, and hookers!!!1!!

Lets see Call of Duty have hookers... though I guess that makes it a bit less "mom friendly", and though I don't want to feed the stereotype that only kids play CoD (since I tend to run into mainly adults who rarely game that love CoD), I'm guessing "graphic hooker sex, more on Fox news" would mean less potential sales for GTA, and maybe feed into the debate of whether or not that will happen in 2012/2013.

I hate sales thread. I don't even care, I just want GTA to be sell as much as it deserves, and if CoD sells a lot that's fine, but as a former CoD fan (and passive CoD "enjoyer") I guess I want less success, only for the goal of MORE ambition, thus more success... hopefully. But then again the Wii sold a ton because it had a TV remote and a few great Mario and Zelda games in between dance titles.

I am rambling now. Sorry people.

first of all Analysts are hardly ever right and second the past 3 game selling records are all held by a cod game so i find it unlikely that gta5 could ever outsell a cod game but only time will tellelbert_b_23

before that it was GTA IV im sure.

first of all Analysts are hardly ever right and second the past 3 game selling records are all held by a cod game so i find it unlikely that gta5 could ever outsell a cod game but only time will tellelbert_b_23

You do know that nearly ever time a GTA game launches it also sets sales records?

There just happen to be more active gamers each year buying games. The chances are very good that GTA V will outsell CoD.

[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]first of all Analysts are hardly ever right and second the past 3 game selling records are all held by a cod game so i find it unlikely that gta5 could ever outsell a cod game but only time will tellWasdie

You do know that nearly ever time a GTA game launches it also sets sales records?

There just happen to be more active gamers each year buying games. The chances are very good that GTA V will outsell CoD.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I can blame people for getting stuck in their ways and refuse to try something different. I can blame Activision for constantly milking that forumla and not giving people a chance to try something new. I can blame Activision and the gamers who primarily play CoD for forcing developers to dumb down every game so people never lose, just like CoD's gameplay.

Hopefully with BF3 on the market people will start to see there is something different. We now need a new Halo and some other shooters that aren't modern military to break the mold.

SPYDER0416

How will BF3 change anything, though? It's a military shooter, but people that like CoD will still continue to get CoD, as I see it.

Not necessarily. I mean, BF3 kind of mixed old school BF action with EA kind of ripping off CoD in some aspects (kind of poorly too). I can see BF3's popularity and success as a potential for the BF series being bigger, and though you could say CoD fans will stay CoD fans, I think that the wildly popularTony Hawk series being outsold by new and unproven IP .skate shows that if CoD overstays its welcome, critical acclaim will wane and eventually a competitor will beat it.

Though I really wish this didn't start to turn into a big CoD and BF thread again. I mean, I want to talk about GTA!

Did you guys see the trailer! It had jets! And houses you could probably buy! And, and hookers!!!1!!

Lets see Call of Duty have hookers... though I guess that makes it a bit less "mom friendly", and though I don't want to feed the stereotype that only kids play CoD (since I tend to run into mainly adults who rarely game that love CoD), I'm guessing "graphic hooker sex, more on Fox news" would mean less potential sales for GTA, and maybe feed into the debate of whether or not that will happen in 2012/2013.

I hate sales thread. I don't even care, I just want GTA to be sell as much as it deserves, and if CoD sells a lot that's fine, but as a former CoD fan (and passive CoD "enjoyer") I guess I want less success, only for the goal of MORE ambition, thus more success... hopefully. But then again the Wii sold a ton because it had a TV remote and a few great Mario and Zelda games in between dance titles.

I am rambling now. Sorry people.

For CoD to lose in sales, another game with a similar effect of CoD4 has to come out. With totally new features. BF3 certainly was not close in this department.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

How will BF3 change anything, though? It's a military shooter, but people that like CoD will still continue to get CoD, as I see it.

WickoSicko

Not necessarily. I mean, BF3 kind of mixed old school BF action with EA kind of ripping off CoD in some aspects (kind of poorly too). I can see BF3's popularity and success as a potential for the BF series being bigger, and though you could say CoD fans will stay CoD fans, I think that the wildly popularTony Hawk series being outsold by new and unproven IP .skate shows that if CoD overstays its welcome, critical acclaim will wane and eventually a competitor will beat it.

Though I really wish this didn't start to turn into a big CoD and BF thread again. I mean, I want to talk about GTA!

Did you guys see the trailer! It had jets! And houses you could probably buy! And, and hookers!!!1!!

Lets see Call of Duty have hookers... though I guess that makes it a bit less "mom friendly", and though I don't want to feed the stereotype that only kids play CoD (since I tend to run into mainly adults who rarely game that love CoD), I'm guessing "graphic hooker sex, more on Fox news" would mean less potential sales for GTA, and maybe feed into the debate of whether or not that will happen in 2012/2013.

I hate sales thread. I don't even care, I just want GTA to be sell as much as it deserves, and if CoD sells a lot that's fine, but as a former CoD fan (and passive CoD "enjoyer") I guess I want less success, only for the goal of MORE ambition, thus more success... hopefully. But then again the Wii sold a ton because it had a TV remote and a few great Mario and Zelda games in between dance titles.

I am rambling now. Sorry people.

For CoD to lose in sales, another game with a similar effect of CoD4 has to come out. With totally new features. BF3 certainly was not close in this department.

thing is CoD 4 didnt really have anything we didnt see before.Might i remind you GTA IV is also up there with all the CoD games this gen in sales and manages to do a total reinvention in a more realism driven direction.

If they release a decent pc version right away then it might manage it.

No it won't.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Not necessarily. I mean, BF3 kind of mixed old school BF action with EA kind of ripping off CoD in some aspects (kind of poorly too). I can see BF3's popularity and success as a potential for the BF series being bigger, and though you could say CoD fans will stay CoD fans, I think that the wildly popularTony Hawk series being outsold by new and unproven IP .skate shows that if CoD overstays its welcome, critical acclaim will wane and eventually a competitor will beat it.

Though I really wish this didn't start to turn into a big CoD and BF thread again. I mean, I want to talk about GTA!

Did you guys see the trailer! It had jets! And houses you could probably buy! And, and hookers!!!1!!

Lets see Call of Duty have hookers... though I guess that makes it a bit less "mom friendly", and though I don't want to feed the stereotype that only kids play CoD (since I tend to run into mainly adults who rarely game that love CoD), I'm guessing "graphic hooker sex, more on Fox news" would mean less potential sales for GTA, and maybe feed into the debate of whether or not that will happen in 2012/2013.

I hate sales thread. I don't even care, I just want GTA to be sell as much as it deserves, and if CoD sells a lot that's fine, but as a former CoD fan (and passive CoD "enjoyer") I guess I want less success, only for the goal of MORE ambition, thus more success... hopefully. But then again the Wii sold a ton because it had a TV remote and a few great Mario and Zelda games in between dance titles.

I am rambling now. Sorry people.

razgriz_101

For CoD to lose in sales, another game with a similar effect of CoD4 has to come out. With totally new features. BF3 certainly was not close in this department.

thing is CoD 4 didnt really have anything we didnt see before.Might i remind you GTA IV is also up there with all the CoD games this gen in sales and manages to do a total reinvention in a more realism driven direction.

Come on, you need to give credits to CoD4. A game earlier than it never had all the features it did. It just came out with a big bang and changed everyone's view on FPS gaming.

Also GTA4 broke sales records before CoD, but was still no match for recent CoDs, though as GTA: SA also broke sales records back in 2004 together with Halo 2, GTA 5 might very well do it too, I just have a hard time seeing how it can top CoD as enormous as it has become recently.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yeah it is. People are consistently buying updated skins of the same exact multiplayer experiance for the past 5 years in a row and they do so happily. They don't buy anything else. It's like Activision has brainwashed them into thinking that CoD is the only way to have fun, that no other game experiance is fun.

Wasdie

But it IS fun! why is it so hard for some people to get that? :P i have bought every single CoD game after CoD4 and have enjoyed them all. when you see someone with over 30 days of playtime with a game its not because their being forced or been "brainwashed" to play it, its because the game is pure fun and addicting to play online especially with friends. i will buy black ops 2 or whatever CoD coming out this year because i want to, because i know it will be as fun as the other CoD games. just sayin :P

Yeah because CoD is the only game that doesn't let you lose that's on the market. It's pathetic. I played MW3 for about 3 hours online and got insanely bored. It's to easy. The game plays itself more or less.

You now can completely silence a weapon and eliminate it's recoil. The game's generous aim-assist makes shooting people insanely easy. The game's fundamentals refuse to let people lose for to long and have really dumbed down the multiplayer experiance to a derivative, mindless, and extremely reptitive experiance.

I would be totally fine if the CoD games would just stick to that game and not infest the rest of gaming. However we've seen games from all genres and developers be stripped down and simplified to make them more like CoD so the CoD fans wouldn't **** that the game is to hard. The BF3 community is loaded with CoD people right now wanted some of the most unbalanced gameplay mechanics to be enhanced even further because they are having problems getting quick and easy kills like they are used to in CoD. Crysis had to go to a pure linear grind fest because CoD fans don't understand the concept of a sandbox world. Dragon Age 2 had to go to an ARPG with a linear story because choices are beyond that of the CoD player. Mass Effect 2 stripped down a lot of the RPG mechanics to focus on shooting for the CoD fan. Following the PR of most of these games you'll hear the developers talk about the "CoD community."

Operation Flashpoint was dumbed down to no end thanks to trying to capture the CoD audience, Red Orchestra 2 implemented a CoD style leveling and unlock system that unbalances the game and plays no real point all to appeal to the CoD audience, Rainbow Six is now a linear corridor shooter which tries to play off of the CoD formula. Even Killzone 3 sped up and included CoD style leveling systems and BS to attract that crowd. It's absolutely pathetic.

These developers, in the attempts to capture the CoD audience have not really made any of their games better. They've consistently dumbed them down for the audience. They then pick up some sales from the CoD audience only to lose all of their community the second a new CoD map pack comes out.

Don't believe me? Watch BF3's number rise steadily for another month until the next CoD map pack comes out. Then they'll fall like a rock. This happens with all of the games and the community spreads it's constant want for simpler and less intuitive gameplay because they find it more fun.

GTA is the only game that could dent this becuase the same fans also grew up playing the various GTA games. However don't expect GTA V's multiplayer to be alive for more than a month, they'll all go running back to the endless mappacks and other DLC for CoD the moment that stuff comes out.

I don't know about that. With BF, you have the same audience, but GTA isn't a military shooter. Its an open world sandbox, and I think the XBL numbers that showed GTA IV as one of the top 10 played games last year showed that even a basic rookie attempt at online like GTA IV can still pull numbers.

Red Dead Redemption's community is very consistent and still decent, and though it was a big game it didn't have the insane pull the GTA games have. It also was kind of different from most MP games, with most of the fun in killing AI with buddies, exploring the big world and maybe some occasional PVP (which was just basic, focused online, not a perk and leveling fest or anything).

Also like... that CoD hate, it sounds so concentrated and thought out. Its scary.

I don't know if I'd blame CoD for Rainbow Six and Flashpoint since R6V came before CoD hit its big stride and was pretty different then CoD in its campaign in a LOT of ways, even if it was linear and focused on shooting terrorists with modern guns. Red Orchestra, I didn't really think the leveling system was a reason to compare it to CoD (and CoD didn't really enter my mind since leveling up when I do things is just a common thing), I mean, CoD didn't do it first, and it was gaining popularity before with Rainbow Six and Battlefield 2 before CoD4 added it.

I guess I would blame CoD for being so obviously insanely popular and never doing anything with it, but things that are popular are bound to have copycats like with all the GTA clones of last gen and the complete change in third person games after Gears of War, and I guess its not CoD's fault as much as the developers of other games for trying to appease that community over their own fanbase, which is a universal problem I think, but its really up to the developers.

Ever since Gears of War, cover in TPS games with a second button for aiming is like, fundamental nowadays, but people can take that small template and do big different things like Uncharted and Max Payne 3. So I don't think all of CoD's influence is bad, its just up to the developers to make sure they can evolve or take from CoD in only the positive ways, and I'd blame developers and not Gears if I saw like 5 sci fi TPS games focused on gory co-op combat.

But again, I think we're all veering off topic. Trends change, I remember when platformers and fighting games were HUGE, and I think GTA V has the potential to take away the love of arcade FPS games the current generation has, and get people into something different for developers to try and copy aspects of (which isn't so bad if it benefits the game I think and doesn't completely remove its identity so I just call it GTA knock off number 45325). I hear so many people say they're burned out on FPS games as a whole, and GTA V could be the sort of game that gets millions of people into a whole 'nother type of game for other guys to cheese success off of.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

For CoD to lose in sales, another game with a similar effect of CoD4 has to come out. With totally new features. BF3 certainly was not close in this department.

WickoSicko

thing is CoD 4 didnt really have anything we didnt see before.Might i remind you GTA IV is also up there with all the CoD games this gen in sales and manages to do a total reinvention in a more realism driven direction.

Come on, you need to give credits to CoD4. A game earlier than it never had all the features it did. It just came out with a big bang and changed everyone's view on FPS gaming.

Also GTA4 broke sales records before CoD, but was still no match for recent CoDs, though as GTA: SA also broke sales records back in 2004 together with Halo 2, GTA 5 might very well do it too, I just have a hard time seeing how it can top CoD as enormous as it has become recently.

CoD3 had some of the features but in a more primitive form, it was reall just the first FPS in a modern setting that kinda nailed it story wise.

Also on your point on GTA theres a high chance it will smash CoD, considering how the userbase of both consoles have grew and the same can be said for the PC.GTA V will smash CoD's back doors in literally its a behemoth and its a behemoth with a hype machine that dwarfs CoD.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

thing is CoD 4 didnt really have anything we didnt see before.Might i remind you GTA IV is also up there with all the CoD games this gen in sales and manages to do a total reinvention in a more realism driven direction.

razgriz_101

Come on, you need to give credits to CoD4. A game earlier than it never had all the features it did. It just came out with a big bang and changed everyone's view on FPS gaming.

Also GTA4 broke sales records before CoD, but was still no match for recent CoDs, though as GTA: SA also broke sales records back in 2004 together with Halo 2, GTA 5 might very well do it too, I just have a hard time seeing how it can top CoD as enormous as it has become recently.

CoD3 had some of the features but in a more primitive form, it was reall just the first FPS in a modern setting that kinda nailed it story wise.

Also on your point on GTA theres a high chance it will smash CoD, considering how the userbase of both consoles have grew and the same can be said for the PC.GTA V will smash CoD's back doors in literally its a behemoth and its a behemoth with a hype machine that dwarfs CoD.

I find it funny how you think GTA V will outsell CoD to easily when CoD is... CoD.

Unless the sequel to Black Ops turns out to be absolutely crap (and trust me, with Treyarch, it won't), there's no way GTA V will "smash" CoD. It might outsell it, but it's going to be a tough fight for sure.

Both will be 20 million+ sellers anyway.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

How will BF3 change anything, though? It's a military shooter, but people that like CoD will still continue to get CoD, as I see it.

WickoSicko

Not necessarily. I mean, BF3 kind of mixed old school BF action with EA kind of ripping off CoD in some aspects (kind of poorly too). I can see BF3's popularity and success as a potential for the BF series being bigger, and though you could say CoD fans will stay CoD fans, I think that the wildly popularTony Hawk series being outsold by new and unproven IP .skate shows that if CoD overstays its welcome, critical acclaim will wane and eventually a competitor will beat it.

Though I really wish this didn't start to turn into a big CoD and BF thread again. I mean, I want to talk about GTA!

Did you guys see the trailer! It had jets! And houses you could probably buy! And, and hookers!!!1!!

Lets see Call of Duty have hookers... though I guess that makes it a bit less "mom friendly", and though I don't want to feed the stereotype that only kids play CoD (since I tend to run into mainly adults who rarely game that love CoD), I'm guessing "graphic hooker sex, more on Fox news" would mean less potential sales for GTA, and maybe feed into the debate of whether or not that will happen in 2012/2013.

I hate sales thread. I don't even care, I just want GTA to be sell as much as it deserves, and if CoD sells a lot that's fine, but as a former CoD fan (and passive CoD "enjoyer") I guess I want less success, only for the goal of MORE ambition, thus more success... hopefully. But then again the Wii sold a ton because it had a TV remote and a few great Mario and Zelda games in between dance titles.

I am rambling now. Sorry people.

For CoD to lose in sales, another game with a similar effect of CoD4 has to come out. With totally new features. BF3 certainly was not close in this department.

Well yeah, the GTA series is kind of known for that. Each gen they tend to do a whole reinvention of what "GTA" means, and every game tends to be so wildly different from the last its what I look for when I think of what it means for a sequel to be a real sequel and not some expansion pack.

I think with GTA IV's success in reinventing itself, and GTA V looking like it could please fans of both while somehow inventing MORE new stuff and cool standards in gaming, plus the addition of GTA being just as well known as CoD means GTA V has a chance to outsell it, and since it will most likely be an objectively better game then MW4 or Black Ops 2 (whenever it releases, 2012 or 2013), then I'd say if it DOESN'T outsell the next CoD, I'll be... well, I don't know if I'll be surprised since everyone is predicting different things.

But I'll say its a change, and a welcome one since it would mean acceptance of the concept of "new" and "revolution" in gaming that we really need with all this stagnation lately.

But it IS fun! why is it so hard for some people to get that? :P i have bought every single CoD game after CoD4 and have enjoyed them all. when you see someone with over 30 days of playtime with a game its not because their being forced or been "brainwashed" to play it, its because the game is pure fun and addicting to play online especially with friends. i will buy black ops 2 or whatever CoD coming out this year because i want to, because i know it will be as fun as the other CoD games. just sayin :P

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

But it IS fun! why is it so hard for some people to get that? :P i have bought every single CoD game after CoD4 and have enjoyed them all. when you see someone with over 30 days of playtime with a game its not because their being forced or been "brainwashed" to play it, its because the game is pure fun and addicting to play online especially with friends. i will buy black ops 2 or whatever CoD coming out this year because i want to, because i know it will be as fun as the other CoD games. just sayin :P

Am_Confucius

Because unlike PC games, console gamers never stick to one game for years. Communities always move to the newest one. It's like Madden, while it's nothing new each year, you can't settle for last years rosters, you need an update. A $60 update to play the same core game you've been playing for decades.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

Come on, you need to give credits to CoD4. A game earlier than it never had all the features it did. It just came out with a big bang and changed everyone's view on FPS gaming.

Also GTA4 broke sales records before CoD, but was still no match for recent CoDs, though as GTA: SA also broke sales records back in 2004 together with Halo 2, GTA 5 might very well do it too, I just have a hard time seeing how it can top CoD as enormous as it has become recently.

WickoSicko

CoD3 had some of the features but in a more primitive form, it was reall just the first FPS in a modern setting that kinda nailed it story wise.

Also on your point on GTA theres a high chance it will smash CoD, considering how the userbase of both consoles have grew and the same can be said for the PC.GTA V will smash CoD's back doors in literally its a behemoth and its a behemoth with a hype machine that dwarfs CoD.

I find it funny how you think GTA V will outsell CoD to easily when CoD is... CoD.

Unless the sequel to Black Ops turns out to be absolutely crap (and trust me, with Treyarch, it won't), there's no way GTA V will "smash" CoD. It might outsell it, but it's going to be a tough fight for sure.

Both will be 20 million+ sellers anyway.

Well if you told people that GTA IV would be outsold by some FPS game, they probably would have had the same reaction.

Honestly, I don't see either smashing the other in sales, but not everyone is a huge online FPS fan, some people just like fun experiences they can rely on. GTA V can outsell CoD, and I don't see why the logic of "its CoD" is reason enough for it to not do so.

I mean GTA is... GTA.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

Come on, you need to give credits to CoD4. A game earlier than it never had all the features it did. It just came out with a big bang and changed everyone's view on FPS gaming.

Also GTA4 broke sales records before CoD, but was still no match for recent CoDs, though as GTA: SA also broke sales records back in 2004 together with Halo 2, GTA 5 might very well do it too, I just have a hard time seeing how it can top CoD as enormous as it has become recently.

WickoSicko

CoD3 had some of the features but in a more primitive form, it was reall just the first FPS in a modern setting that kinda nailed it story wise.

Also on your point on GTA theres a high chance it will smash CoD, considering how the userbase of both consoles have grew and the same can be said for the PC.GTA V will smash CoD's back doors in literally its a behemoth and its a behemoth with a hype machine that dwarfs CoD.

I find it funny how you think GTA V will outsell CoD to easily when CoD is... CoD.

Unless the sequel to Black Ops turns out to be absolutely crap (and trust me, with Treyarch, it won't), there's no way GTA V will "smash" CoD. It might outsell it, but it's going to be a tough fight for sure.

Both will be 20 million+ sellers anyway.

GTA will pip it to the post trust me.

Won't happen.

GTA5 is a big name.....even with casuals...I think people are seriously underestimating the series.eboyishere

It is, but CoD is simply bigger, sells faster, and will most likely be released on more platforms.

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]GTA5 is a big name.....even with casuals...I think people are seriously underestimating the series.waltefmoney

It is, but CoD is simply bigger, sells faster, and will most likely be released on more platforms.

only system gta5 wont be released on is wii, and call of duty wii verisons bring in, half a million? a million?

But the chances will be slim for gta, since cod literally sells in the 100 million within hours of it's release.

That went out the door when they didn't put San Andreas 2 in the subtitle.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

CoD3 had some of the features but in a more primitive form, it was reall just the first FPS in a modern setting that kinda nailed it story wise.

Also on your point on GTA theres a high chance it will smash CoD, considering how the userbase of both consoles have grew and the same can be said for the PC.GTA V will smash CoD's back doors in literally its a behemoth and its a behemoth with a hype machine that dwarfs CoD.

SPYDER0416

I find it funny how you think GTA V will outsell CoD to easily when CoD is... CoD.

Unless the sequel to Black Ops turns out to be absolutely crap (and trust me, with Treyarch, it won't), there's no way GTA V will "smash" CoD. It might outsell it, but it's going to be a tough fight for sure.

Both will be 20 million+ sellers anyway.

Well if you told people that GTA IV would be outsold by some FPS game, they probably would have had the same reaction.

Honestly, I don't see either smashing the other in sales, but not everyone is a huge online FPS fan, some people just like fun experiences they can rely on. GTA V can outsell CoD, and I don't see why the logic of "its CoD" is reason enough for it to not do so.

I mean GTA is... GTA.

And Cod is... CoD. CoD is the GTA of this generation.

GTA was last generation's big phenomenon of the gaming industry.

[QUOTE="WickoSicko"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

CoD3 had some of the features but in a more primitive form, it was reall just the first FPS in a modern setting that kinda nailed it story wise.

Also on your point on GTA theres a high chance it will smash CoD, considering how the userbase of both consoles have grew and the same can be said for the PC.GTA V will smash CoD's back doors in literally its a behemoth and its a behemoth with a hype machine that dwarfs CoD.

razgriz_101

I find it funny how you think GTA V will outsell CoD to easily when CoD is... CoD.

Unless the sequel to Black Ops turns out to be absolutely crap (and trust me, with Treyarch, it won't), there's no way GTA V will "smash" CoD. It might outsell it, but it's going to be a tough fight for sure.

Both will be 20 million+ sellers anyway.

GTA will pip it to the post trust me.

You sound a lot like the ones who thought MW3 couldn't best Black Ops' much-impressive records.

GTAV Will probably outsell it, I just hope it doesn't get a 10 again. 9.5s are cool, but then 10 is fitting for greater games.Bloodseeker23

10 was pushing it imo 9.5 or 9....but no way in hell i viewed GTA4 as a 10.

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]GTA5 is a big name.....even with casuals...I think people are seriously underestimating the series.waltefmoney

It is, but CoD is simply bigger, sells faster, and will most likely be released on more platforms.