Should games be cheaper than they are??

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#51 MFDOOM1983
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no they shouldn't there is a reason developers and publishers are going under.

this is a hobby its not needful its not food, air or water one cannot complain about prices in a hobby.

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Judging by recent letters from ex-THQ employees the problem seems to stem from devs/publishers being poorly managed. You could probably attribute mismanagement to just about every recent closure.
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#52 FashionFreak
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I waited 3 months and got Arkham City for $15 :D (PS3)

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#53 foxhound_fox
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50$ was fine no need to go to 60$plus tax like **** 65 dollars for a game this is crazy! What's even worse most of the games are not even worth it.Zelgadiss
You should consider a new hobby then. Most games these days hit the 50% off point within six months of release, and drop to $15-20 within a year or two (depending on how successful they were). If you can't afford to buy a new $60 + tax (I pay 12% where I live, and used to pay 14% on $70 games in 2007/2008) then gaming isn't for you. If developers passed on the cost of making games to the consumer, and we take into account that games in the mid 1990's cost no more than $1M to make... them some games these days should be setting us back $500-600. But they aren't. They cost about the same, and depending on where you live (the US for sure) are among the cheapest they have ever been (the cheapest was last gen).
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#54 Warhawk_
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[QUOTE="Warhawk_"]Some games are over $100 and that's if you buy the game and its day one dlcs :Pfoxhound_fox
Which ones? I don't recall any $60 games getting $40+ worth of DLC on the first day.

I was kidding about that. I don't really mean $100 but many games that has parts of them removed and locked out unless you buy them makes the full package more expensive. For example in Batman Arkham City if you buy the game and then the Costume pack, Nightwing levels, and Robin levels (unless you pre-ordered the game) it becomes very pricey. And we do see some other games doing that as well. Yeah not really $100 but still over priced.

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#55 arkephonic
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Plus, having a huge backlog helps, because then you don't need games on day 1. I never buy games on day 1. One of my hobbies that I enjoy doing other than playing games is just looking for good deals on games. You'd be surprised at the deals out there if you took the time to look.

I got all these games in 2011, brand new and sealed for these prices:

Assassin's Creed Revelations (PS3 version which includes Assassin's Creed 1) - $19.99

Batman Arkham City - $19.99

Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary - $9.99

Battlefield 3 Limited Edition - $19.99

Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 - $29.99

Crysis 2 - $9.99

Dark Souls - $9.99

Deus Ex Human Revolution - $19.99

Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten - $9.99

Dragon Age 2 - $4.99

ICO & Shadow of the Colossus Collection - $14.99

Killzone 3 - $9.99

L.A. Noire Complete Edition - $4.99

Madden 12 - $19.99

Metal Gear Solid HD Collection - $19.99

NBA 2K12 - $24.99

Portal 2 - $19.99

RAGE - $9.99

Red Dead Redemption Game of the Year Edition - $9.99

Red Faction Armageddon - $4.99

Resistance 3 - $19.99

Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition - $19.99

Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 - $19.99

Uncharted 3 - $29.99

Warhammer 40k Space Marine - $9.99

Forza 4 - $19.99

Gears of War 3 - $19.99

I know I'm forgetting some, but fact of the matter is, I was able to get every single game I wanted in 2011 for a fraction of the price, just by looking for deals. I got all those games brand new, factory sealed, physical copies. The only game I paid full price for in 2011 was Skyrim for $59.99 which is funny because Skyrim was one of my biggest disappointments in 2011. Steam does have pretty good deals, but I have even gotten better deals than Steam for physical copies of games, when Steam only offers digital copies. I don't like digital copies.

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#56 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Yes they have changed. Last gen the average PS2 game was $50 and the average PS1 game was $40.foxhound_fox
"This gen." And I remember some SNES/N64 games costing on the order of $100 in Canada. So no, even if you were responding to the right context, you would be wrong. I remember, distinctly, paying $60+ CAD for many PS games (I've probably still got the receipts in the cases). Games have barely fluctuated in price... and in absolutely NO way do they reflect the increases in budget (how much did those $80 SNES games cost to make? It certainly wasn't $50M).

Clearly we are talking about American price here. Try to keep up.
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#57 YearoftheSnake5
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I believe they should stay at $50. Then again, I don't believe any piece of software should ever be more than that, whether it be games, operating systems, plugin sets, or etc. Games cost a lot to make these days, and the developers need to be able to make their money back.

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#58 arkephonic
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Plus, development costs aren't as much as some people may think. This generation has been the generation of the sequel. You wanna know the number one way to cut down development costs? Make a sequel. You can use the same game engine to reduce costs, and tons of the textures and models are already created which also drastically reduces costs. Just make up some cheesy story, add a weapon or two, and you just saved a **** load of money on development.

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#59 Rick_Sure
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I believe they should stay at $50. Then again, I don't believe any piece of software should ever be more than that, whether it be games, operating systems, plugin sets, or etc. Games cost a lot to make these days, and the developers need to be able to make their money back.

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That depends on what software your using.....If photoshop cost $50 no one else in the market would make the software to make them offer better products. It would be pointless looking at anything other then things like gimp that are free to use and have options to compare.
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#60 foxhound_fox
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Try to keep up.AmazonTreeBoa
Take your own advice. Some have already mentioned paying $80 for DK64 in the US. And since when was this thread US only? Also, you are just trying to skirt the fact you misinterpreted what I said so you don't appear wrong.
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#61 foxhound_fox
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Plus, development costs aren't as much as some people may think. This generation has been the generation of the sequel. You wanna know the number one way to cut down development costs? Make a sequel. You can use the same game engine to reduce costs, and tons of the textures and models are already created which also drastically reduces costs. Just make up some cheesy story, add a weapon or two, and you just saved a **** load of money on development.arkephonic
This would be true if every game were a sequel. I heard GTAIV cost over $100M, and the recent SWTOR cost $200M. Even Epic, who are good at budgeting still spent over $10M on Gears.
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#62 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]Plus, development costs aren't as much as some people may think. This generation has been the generation of the sequel. You wanna know the number one way to cut down development costs? Make a sequel. You can use the same game engine to reduce costs, and tons of the textures and models are already created which also drastically reduces costs. Just make up some cheesy story, add a weapon or two, and you just saved a **** load of money on development.foxhound_fox
This would be true if every game were a sequel. I heard GTAIV cost over $100M, and the recent SWTOR cost $200M. Even Epic, who are good at budgeting still spent over $10M on Gears.

Come on, man, that's stating the obvious. I obviously didn't mean every single game was a sequel :?

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#64 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Try to keep up.foxhound_fox
Take your own advice. Some have already mentioned paying $80 for DK64 in the US. And since when was this thread US only? Also, you are just trying to skirt the fact you misinterpreted what I said so you don't appear wrong.

What part of PS1 and PS2 in my post are you having a hard time grasping and understanding?
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#65 CajunShooter
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Games like these cost $20-30 back in 1978 which is the equivlent of $74.24-111.36 in todays money.

The Atari 2600 also cost $199.99 in 1977 which is the equivalent of $742.34

To put things into more perspective the median avg household income in 1977 was 13K. The avg household income for 2011 is over 31K. So buying a game back then cost you 1/433 of your yearly income. Games today cost you just 1/516 of your yearly income.

Gaming is cheaper now than it has ever been and you get about 100 times the value for a game than you did back in 1977.

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#66 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Try to keep up.AmazonTreeBoa
Take your own advice. Some have already mentioned paying $80 for DK64 in the US. And since when was this thread US only? Also, you are just trying to skirt the fact you misinterpreted what I said so you don't appear wrong.

What part of PS1 and PS2 in my post are you having a hard time grasping and understanding?

Comparing the prices of cart based games to retail games oftoday is inherently flawed due to the cost of the actual cart.
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#67 foxhound_fox
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What part of PS1 and PS2 in my post are you having a hard time grasping and understanding?AmazonTreeBoa
*facedesk* Your original point is still wrong.
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#68 HoolaHoopMan
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Games are the cheapest they've ever been. The only way you could possibly think they're too expensive is if you never gamed during the cartridge era. Hell just look at how cheap games are with digital distribution for Christ's sake. I wouldn't mind being charged MORE just to help some game companies stay a float just to give them incentives to take bigger risks.
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#69 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]What part of PS1 and PS2 in my post are you having a hard time grasping and understanding?foxhound_fox
*facedesk* Your original point is still wrong.

No it isn't. You are just an idiot. PS2 games were cheaper than PS3 games and PS1 games were cheaper than PS2 games. I would say I am surprised you are having issues understanding that, but I would be Lieing if I did. SW seems to be full of morons, why should you be any different. You have a good day with your stupidity. You have lost your entertainment value, so I am done with you.
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#70 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] Take your own advice. Some have already mentioned paying $80 for DK64 in the US. And since when was this thread US only? Also, you are just trying to skirt the fact you misinterpreted what I said so you don't appear wrong.

What part of PS1 and PS2 in my post are you having a hard time grasping and understanding?

Comparing the prices of cart based games to retail games oftoday is inherently flawed due to the cost of the actual cart.

Um..... I think you quoted the wrong person. I am not talking about cart games at all. :shock:
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#71 ToastRider11
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Yeah make them $40 bucks again.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] That was a little bit before my time :lol: I played video games, but I didn't buy them :P I didn't start actually buying video games regularly until 2005. I still remember my first video game I bought with my own money was Zelda: Oracle of Ages. :D

Paid $79.99 for DK64 and Goldeneye, in Philadelphia.

^ this.

Wow, that's absurd. Makes me rejoice that companies do not get away with prices like that nowadays (in terms of gaming).
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#73 foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] No it isn't. You are just an idiot. PS2 games were cheaper than PS3 games and PS1 games were cheaper than PS2 games. I would say I am surprised you are having issues understanding that, but I would be Lieing if I did. SW seems to be full of morons, why should you be any different. You have a good day with your stupidity. You have lost your entertainment value, so I am done with you.

Still can't admit your mistake? I said budgets had skyrocketed IN THIS GEN and you started going on about previous gens. The only idiot here is you.
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#74 zarshack
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some games cost millions to make and no i dont think they should be cheaper, i think if the game is good and it cost a lot to make then it should be paid for at a price worthy of that.

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#77 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] No it isn't. You are just an idiot. PS2 games were cheaper than PS3 games and PS1 games were cheaper than PS2 games. I would say I am surprised you are having issues understanding that, but I would be Lieing if I did. SW seems to be full of morons, why should you be any different. You have a good day with your stupidity. You have lost your entertainment value, so I am done with you.

Still can't admit your mistake? I said budgets had skyrocketed IN THIS GEN and you started going on about previous gens. The only idiot here is you.

I will give this one last try seeing you are still too god damn stupid to grasp what I said. You said prices haven't changed and like the dumbass that you are, you are wrong. They have gone up $10 each gen from PS1 til now. And yes the cost of making a game went up from last gen to this gen, but i was never responding or talking about that when I quoted. If you still don't get it. Then fine, live with your stupidity. It doesn't change the fact the prices have gone up over the last few gens. I have no clue why you keep mentioning that the cost of making a game has gone up. I never once said they didn't. Stop being so damn slow.
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#78 foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] I will give this one last try seeing you are still too god damn stupid to grasp what I said. You said prices haven't changed and like the dumbass that you are, you are wrong. They have got up $10 each gen from PS1 til now. And yes the cost of making a game went up from last gen to this gen, but i was never responding or talking about that when I quoted. If you still don't get it. Then fine, live with your stupidity. It doesn't change the fact the prices have gone up over the last few gens. I have no clue why you keep mentioning that the cost of making a game has gone up. I never once said they didn't. Stop being so damn slow.

U mad.
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#79 Masenkoe
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

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Just save up your money and buy it on steam sales. I got about 10 new games for about $70 after the last sale

it's the truth. I'm not complaining about prices, really.

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#80 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] I will give this one last try seeing you are still too god damn stupid to grasp what I said. You said prices haven't changed and like the dumbass that you are, you are wrong. They have got up $10 each gen from PS1 til now. And yes the cost of making a game went up from last gen to this gen, but i was never responding or talking about that when I quoted. If you still don't get it. Then fine, live with your stupidity. It doesn't change the fact the prices have gone up over the last few gens. I have no clue why you keep mentioning that the cost of making a game has gone up. I never once said they didn't. Stop being so damn slow.

U mad.

Nope, not at all. Just bored with your stupidity.
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#81 CajunShooter
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They have gone up $10 each gen from PS1 til now. AmazonTreeBoa
PS1 games retailed at $49.99.

Between PS1 and PS2 game prices didn't go up.

Btw, Games have generally been $50 retail going all the way back to the NES days. Some games even went for more than $50 back then. Even Atari games would go as high as $45.

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#82 foxhound_fox
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Nope, not at all. Just bored with your stupidity.AmazonTreeBoa
You keep going on and on about it. Doesn't that just illustrate ur mad-ness more?