Should Games continue to support SDTV players?

Dragon Age 2 is the latest new game to come out without any SDTV support and a surprising number of people are upset... Honestly I think SDTV is like B&W... I don't think modern consoles should be forced to program for them any more than PC games should have a 800x600 resolutions.

My bet is almost all standard TV's nowadays are in the kids playroom and while it makes sense for childrens games to support them I don't see why adult games should bother.

Just do the letterbox HD like a lot of TV networks are starting to. Same aspect ratio, less resolution. I don't see the problem with that. Eliminating SD still eliminates a large market.

Yes, SDTV should be supported, as long as it looks good in HDTV as well. I wish there was some way to make PS2 games look good at full screen on my HDTV. I don't really like playing it with all the black boxes around the sides, but I don't feel like putting my old SDTV in my room just to make them look better.

Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

Yes, considering there are still gamers who haven't upgraded to HDTV's or monitors.

Oohh. I didn't know there were any console games without SD support at all. I figured that wouldn't happen until next gen at least. That actually kind of sucks. If it's not the *norm* I could see being caught off guard and really pissed off if I paid $60 for a game, then went to boot it up and got a blank screen with "resolution not supported".

I mean honestly, what is the HDTV adaption rate? It's probably just getting over 50%. Obviously you can't even buy a new SDTV anymore and it's been that way for a few years I'm sure, but I'm also sure lots of people are still using SDTV's that are around 5 years old or more. It will take tiem for everyone to move to HD. I didn't upgrade to HD myself until about 2 years ago (and I still have 2 SDTV's in my house, well 1 that's in use at least). Hell up until last year I was still splitting time between HD and SD, but I finally got a 2nd HDTV so I could have my PS3 hooked up all the time

No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.silversix_

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

Steameffekt

[QUOTE="silversix_"]No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.razgriz_101

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

Not everyone has HDTV's.

No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.silversix_

Yes.

Until companies cease production of sdtvs they have to make everything compatible. If someone told me I had to get 'this' in order to get 'their' service, I would tell them to shove it and their service.

Sure HDTV's are cheaper than ever. But you know what, so is an SDTV. Most people are cheap.

No one wants to be the first to change. If both Sony and MS said, no more games in sd, you must upgrade. Nintendo's new marketing strategy would then be,

"Nintendo, SD compatible. We, still care."

[QUOTE="silversix_"]No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.Calvin079

yes because they still represent a big chunk of the community.

They have to. HD is not widespread enough yet. Even many people on this forum haven't upgraded. [QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.Cherokee_Jack

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

so using something constantly and something thats still useful till it breaks = no quality cool..i always thought the longer something lasts the better quality it is.SW has a weird and convoluted logic sometimes.

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"]

Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

Rockman999

Most console gamers are casual and a lot wont have HD. Sony and MS are unlikely to eliminate there own market.

Besides which only 1 or 2 games are in HD anyway so the arguement is redundant.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.razgriz_101

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

They need to make the ingame text readable for SD players...

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[QUOTE="silversix_"]No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.dog_dirt

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

You game on it? o_O

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]They have to. HD is not widespread enough yet. Even many people on this forum haven't upgraded. [QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

razgriz_101

so using something constantly and something thats still useful till it breaks = no quality cool..i always thought the longer something lasts the better quality it is.SW has a weird and convoluted logic sometimes.

Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

Steameffekt

fullHD display costs $200...

Oohh. I didn't know there were any console games without SD support at all. I figured that wouldn't happen until next gen at least. That actually kind of sucks. If it's not the *norm* I could see being caught off guard and really pissed off if I paid $60 for a game, then went to boot it up and got a blank screen with "resolution not supported".

I mean honestly, what is the HDTV adaption rate? It's probably just getting over 50%. Obviously you can't even buy a new SDTV anymore and it's been that way for a few years I'm sure, but I'm also sure lots of people are still using SDTV's that are around 5 years old or more. It will take tiem for everyone to move to HD. I didn't upgrade to HD myself until about 2 years ago (and I still have 2 SDTV's in my house, well 1 that's in use at least). Hell up until last year I was still splitting time between HD and SD, but I finally got a 2nd HDTV so I could have my PS3 hooked up all the time

2Chalupas

I don't think the SDTV's get a blank screen as much as unreadable in game words and squished cut scenes....

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Yeah, that's a fine motto if you don't care about quality.Cherokee_Jack

so using something constantly and something thats still useful till it breaks = no quality cool..i always thought the longer something lasts the better quality it is.SW has a weird and convoluted logic sometimes.

Eh i dont even see the point in even upgrading standards if the TV is perfectly functional and does its job already :S i didnt go HD till my old tv died which was a matsui vcr/tv combo from the late 90's a couple years back.It was perfectly functional for gaming on tbh and servicable.

Neither do i see the need in upgrading to the newest bass amp cause its more up to date and has some more modelling effects, wow am i going to use em nope.Same goes with a TV i just like coming in chucking on my sky box and sitting back watching telly or firing up a game for a quick blast.

In terms of functionality all a tv essentially needs to be able to watch tv, have basic connections and at least be able to play games.Mind you go hD and you take a bump in them being absurdly horrible when it comes to older consoles using RF inputs something i loathe bout HD tvs least my old CRT was fairly easy to tune up and get a picture on my megadrive instead my Samsung is a horrible beast with anything pre-2000.

SDTVs are ancient. HDTVs are cheap. You can play all the latest games with SDTVs, good luck trying to read the text though lol

when I first bought my X360 I used a SDTV, it did the job but the experience in HD was much better.

Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

Steameffekt

I've seen a couple of people post this and I wonder if it is really true outside of the old tv in the kids room.

HDTV's are still not 100% of the market... so no. They should continue to support SD displays for as long as there are still people out there who use them. Playing Dead Rising on a SDTV is fun... but reading the text is infuriating.

I've seen a couple of people post this and I wonder if it is really true outside of the old tv in the kids room.

juliankennedy23

HDTV's are still not 100% of the market... so no. They should continue to support SD displays for as long as there are still people out there who use them. Playing Dead Rising on a SDTV is fun... but reading the text is infuriating.

[QUOTE="juliankennedy23"]

I've seen a couple of people post this and I wonder if it is really true outside of the old tv in the kids room.

foxhound_fox

I haven't seen an SD set on sale at any retailer I've been to in at LEAST two years. Not saying they don't exist, but I live in Dallas so it's not like there's not a sufficient sample size to draw some conclusions.

Sure, lets get rid of them SDTVs, let's get rid of those dated 360s and ps3s while we're at it. We might see the industry advance once me.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]No. Almost everyone has an HDTV and you can get one for 150$ if you don't have one then instead of buying games get an hdtv.razgriz_101

as the saying goes dont fix it if it hasent broken yet.I personally think its a tad pointless to replace stuff if it hasnt broken yet either because i think its a waste of cash and generally unessecary.

A good example is me using a trust 256mb samsung mp3 player for nearly 4 years then it broke and i got a Zen.

I only have one HDtv in my house and that is because it replaced a tv that was broken.

I dont understand why poeple cant buy cheap fullHD displays, if you have money to buy overpriced console games you have money to buy fullHD displays.

I'd say do it for the rest of the gen. Once the next gen hits and they haven't upgraded.......then they're ass out.

Whoah DA2 doesn't support SDTV players? That's pretty lame. I mean most of the games on consoles don't even run in a native hd resolution.millerlight89

Truth be spoken. Which is exactly why I think they should support it for at least the rest of this gen.

Whoah DA2 doesn't support SDTV players? That's pretty lame. I mean most of the games on consoles don't even run in a native hd resolution.millerlight89

Well we are not talking True HD resolution as much as the 4:3 display that older televisions have.

Truth be spoken. Which is exactly why I think they should support it for at least the rest of this gen.

bez2083

[QUOTE="bez2083"]Truth be spoken. Which is exactly why I think they should support it for at least the rest of this gen.

foxhound_fox

Yeah, you're right. I forgot not long ago I was in their shoes. I just remembered how pissed I would get trying to play Dead Rising and I couldn't read the words on the screen.............I felt so helpless:cry:

not next gen. HDTV's are actually quite cheap nowadays.

Of course they should. The HD capable consoles that are out right now originally did not even ship with HD cables, and in the 360's case, didn't even have a HDMI port.

That reminds me, anyone here old enough to remember the BW / Color toggle switch on the 2600? :)

Yes taking it out is stupid imo not everyone owns or desires a hdtv and pc games should support multiple resolutions without fault 640x480 is a godsend when your playing on a $400 laptop with integrated graphics :D a shame alot of games have 800x600 minimum or even 1027x768 nowadays. And for the record i don't like SD all my t.vs/monitors in my house are HD and haven't owned a sdtv for like 3 years now.

Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

Steameffekt

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Um yes. Not everyone has the money to buy an HDTV. SDTV players are still a big chunk of the gaming population.

CajunShooter

They could but imo if you can't upgrade to a HDTV (there's like 22" tvs for like $200) you really shouldn't even be gaming lolFunconsole

Not really. I do have a couple HDTV's, but I also have a 32" JVC flat tube TV that is SDTV, I got it when HDTV's were basically just starting to come out (i.e. when the only HDTV's were those behemoth CRT HDTV's that cost $1500 and weighed even more than a regular CRT TV).

The quality on that JVC one is actually pretty good, and more importantly it still works 100%. I have another CRT TV that works as well but it is out in the garage now. THe problem is that CRT TV's basically can last forever, and some people don't like replacing things that arent' broken. I was a little sketchy about replacing my television just to get HD. Hell I had HD cable for awhile to justify my HDTV purchases, but decided I don't really watch enough TV for that to be worth it. So now I only have basic SD cable again that I run through my HDTV's. Basically the only thing I even use HDTV for is my PS3 and some movies. It is worth it for PS3 and movies, but I was definitely hesitant about getting HDTV when nothing was really "broken" on my existing televisions. Eventually I just figured what the heck, the old TV's were probably never going to "break" so might as well get new ones.

Of course they should. Not everyone has an HDTV.