Should Games continue to support SDTV players?

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#51 madsnakehhh
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I like how everybody think that just because they have an HDTV everybody else in the world should have one.

The should continue to support SDTV, plain ans simple.

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#52 Lto_thaG
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Yes,ME2 had the same problem.A game where you need to read a lot and the letters are freaking small.Totally killed the game.

Anyway,I acquired a HDTV not too long ago.Very satisfied.But SDTVs should still be supported.

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#53 coltgames
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yea they should , but most poeple i know have at least 1 hdtv and once u play a game in hd u wont wanna go back to sd
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#54 Banjo_Kongfooie
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yea they should , but most poeple i know have at least 1 hdtv and once u play a game in hd u wont wanna go back to sdcoltgames

So you do not play older games? Did you start gaming this generation? I do not get how you are claiming that once you go HDTV you will never want to go SDTV when older games were designed for CRTTVs.

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#55 madsnakehhh
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yea they should , but most poeple i know have at least 1 hdtv and once u play a game in hd u wont wanna go back to sdcoltgames

Everyone you know =/= Rest of the World.

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#56 Lucianu
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...and playing in SD is certainly not one of them. In shooters like Battlefireld, where you sometimes need to pay close attention to your surroundings to avoid walking into an ambush, playing in SD will only hamper your vision and lower your effectiveness in the game. I wouldn't want someone that can't tell the difference between a bush and and sniper right in front of him because he's playing on a crappy outdated TV in my team.

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You're not only playing first person shooters on the wrong platform, but some (millions) do not get consoles to play online shooters. Which have always ben the realm of PCs.

You can get 20" HDTV tvs for under $200 now. People need to get with the timesCajunShooter

'HD' (which isn't even high definition these days) TVs have incredibly outdated resolutions. Those are most definitely not 'with the times'.

My monitor that can do 2500x1600, now that's real HD, and really up to date. Now if you want to be 'with the times', buy a PC. It's only 700$. If not, then your post is hypocritical. Consoles are outdated 6 year old pieces of hardware, which games are displayed on incredibly outdated resolutions.

Not that there is a problem with it, my SNES and my SDTV are great entertaintment.

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#57 2Chalupas
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

...and playing in SD is certainly not one of them. In shooters like Battlefireld, where you sometimes need to pay close attention to your surroundings to avoid walking into an ambush, playing in SD will only hamper your vision and lower your effectiveness in the game. I wouldn't want someone that can't tell the difference between a bush and and sniper right in front of him because he's playing on a crappy outdated TV in my team.

Lucianu

You're not only playing first person shooters on the wrong platform, but some (millions) do not get consoles to play online shooters. Which have always ben the realm of PCs.

You can get 20" HDTV tvs for under $200 now. People need to get with the timesCajunShooter

'HD' (which isn't even high definition these days) TVs have incredibly outdated resolutions. Those are most definitely not 'with the times'.

My monitor that can do 2500x1600, now that's real HD, and really up to date. Now if you want to be 'with the times', buy a PC. It's only 700$. If not, then your post is hypocritical. Consoles are outdated 6 year old pieces of hardware, which games are displayed on incredibly outdated resolutions.

Not that there is a problem with it, my SNES and my SDTV are great entertaintment.

1080P is "up to date" in the sense that it's the highest BROADCAST STANDARD that televisions use in the United States (and in most other countries, save maybe Japan). Actually we aren't hardly even broadcasting anything in 1080P yet, most HD is still considered a "premium" service by cable operators and it's only 720P or 1080i. We aren't even taking advantage of 1080P televisions yet with gaming consoles or cable TV. Blu Ray films are basically the only thing that REALLY take advantage of a 1080P television (forget that 1080P internet streaming crap).

Given that gaming consoles are designed for the living room, and the highest standard for TELEVISIONS is 1080P, that's where the standards will be for probably the next decade.

Going higher than 1080P is not even new in the PC world anyway, my obsolete NEC computer monitor did much higher than 1080P and that was purchased over 10 years ago. But having that higher resolution does absolutely nothing for me for watching movies, broadcast television, or any other form of video. It would only be usefull for 2 things really, high res photo work, and computer games (being 4:3 killed it for games anyway). Actually in my search for a new LED/LCD monitor a few months ago it seems like 1080P is becoming the standard for PC monitors as well, even though higher resolutions have been around for YEARS it's hardly cacthing on in the mainstream due to lack of source material.

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#58 Lucianu
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1080P is "up to date" in the sense that it's the highest BROADCAST STANDARD that televisions use in the United States (and in most other countries, save maybe Japan). Actually we aren't hardly even broadcasting anything in 1080P yet, most HD is still considered a "premium" service by cable operators and it's only 720P or 1080i. We aren't even taking advantage of 1080P televisions yet with gaming consoles or cable TV. Blu Ray films are basically the only thing that REALLY take advantage of a 1080P television (forget that 1080P internet streaming crap).

Given that gaming consoles are designed for the living room, and the highest standard for TELEVISIONS is 1080P, that's where the standards will be for probably the next decade.

Going higher than 1080P is not even new in the PC world anyway, my obsolete NEC computer monitor did much higher than 1080P and that was purchased over 10 years ago. But having that higher resolution does absolutely nothing for me for watching movies, broadcast television, or any other form of video. It would only be usefull for 2 things really, high res photo work, and computer games (being 4:3 killed it for games anyway). Actually in my search for a new LED/LCD monitor a few months ago it seems like 1080P is becoming the standard for PC monitors as well, even though higher resolutions have been around for YEARS it's hardly cacthing on in the mainstream due to lack of source material.

2Chalupas

Yeah.. the thing is, i was not talking about TVs per se, and their capabilities to broadcast, but about gaming in general, if you can understand my point of view. Though it is considered standard for televisions and consoles, there is a form of gaming far more advanced and at much higher graphic quality which everyone knows about.

It was kind of ironic that console gamers had such hypocritical posts concerning SDTVs, a few posters actually judging people that have no problem gaming at those resolutions, wen considering what PC gaming represents. So i just gave them some food for thought, out of boredom.

I'm not gonna elaborate though, i can't argue with your post, it's a good post.

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#59 juliankennedy23
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[QUOTE="coltgames"]yea they should , but most poeple i know have at least 1 hdtv and once u play a game in hd u wont wanna go back to sdBanjo_Kongfooie

So you do not play older games? Did you start gaming this generation? I do not get how you are claiming that once you go HDTV you will never want to go SDTV when older games were designed for CRTTVs.

No one is saying you shouldn't keep you SDTV and hook the old colecovision up to it for a quick game of The Dukes of Hazard or Chuck Norris Superkicks.... The question is should software developers be forced to develop for a 4:3 ratio or have thier text readable of an older tv.

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#60 APiranhaAteMyVa
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I'm talking about the functionality the thing provides, not how it's built. There's nothing pointless about replacing something if it isn't up to current standards.Cherokee_Jack

Alot of TV content is still showing in SD, DVD'S vastly outnumber (in selection) Blurays and are much cheaper, and the wii is SD. Not to mention a good quality SD widescreen CRT will outperform a crappy $150 HDTV, in colour reproduction and such.

Also arguably dragon age should be exclusively 3D as that is the most up to date technology. People here would be going crazy if microsoft suddenly announced their games would only work on 3D TV's.

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#61 Pug-Nasty
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As long as SDTV players represent a large market, why not? I doubt resolution options takes any real time or effort for the devs, and there's no reason not to sell to those who haven't upgraded to HDTV for one reason or another.

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#62 Lionheart08
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Whoah DA2 doesn't support SDTV players? That's pretty lame. I mean most of the games on consoles don't even run in a native hd resolution.millerlight89

Mass Effect 2 doesn't either. I got my HDTV about a week before picking of ME2 last year, so I didn't even know until like 5 months after it was released when I tried to game on my friends SDTV.

So yeah, I'm going to chalk this situation as a Bioware thing. Devs should continue to support SDTV because not doing so would be sill since SDTV owners are still a large percetage of the current market.

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#63 WilliamRLBaker
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as for that why should they get rid of it? its not like if they get rid of it games will all of a sudden have these options in graphics, resolution, and gameplay they never had before...its a matter of supporting a resolution and making sure formating works with it.

Take Lost planet 1 it had crappy text support when it came to SDTVS...but it looked amazing in every other way. There is no real reason not to support sd resolutions or tvs.

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#64 garfield360uk
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In regards to the opening post, I do believe there is a cause to do so. I know some people who game without a HDTV as they use the machine in their own room rather than in the living room or due to not having a HDTV at all in their house. Whilst the HDTV uptake is higher than a few years back, there are still users without them and having the option is reasonable. Maybe in the next console cycle so everybody has it the same way from the off but switching off a way to use a console halfway (or however far we are into this generations cycle) seems a tad harsh on the original buyers.
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#65 ps2snesgod
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definately. we are in a recession where 200 dollars can hurt a lot.

thats part of the reason why the wii is selling so well because nothing but a charger is actually needed to go with it.

i think that might be part of the reason why handhelds are so popular.

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#66 Mr_Cumberdale
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I just got HDTV last year, and the difference is not that big.The graphics look crisper, but why can't they support SDTV? The biggest problem I was with SDTV was the text - much of it was hard to read. But other than that, it's ok.
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#67 juliankennedy23
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I just got HDTV last year, and the difference is not that big.The graphics look crisper, but why can't they support SDTV? The biggest problem I was with SDTV was the text - much of it was hard to read. But other than that, it's ok.Mr_Cumberdale

I think besides the obvious text issues is the 4:3 ratios of older sets... one can see the problem in reverse when older games are ported to the modern systems without being upgraded.

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#68 sethman410
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Well it doesn't matter. Most of homes have HDTVs now.
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#69 mlbslugger86
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whats kills me the most is the extremely small, HD purpose lettering that i can't see on my TV because its a SDTV

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#70 KHAndAnime
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Text is practically unreadable on an SDTV. The resolution just isn't big enough.
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#71 KungfuKitten
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Making something obligatory is usually a bad thing.

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#72 blaqphantom
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yes, cos not everyone is rich and can afford a HD tv even if HD tv's may be cheap i have a huge list of items that have a priority (new lounge, bed, mobile phone etc.). And my SD tv is still going strong, though after playing games like Dead Space and Mass Effect 2 where im struggling to read the text i do want one but broken items and necessities come first.
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Alot of TV content is still showing in SD, DVD'S vastly outnumber (in selection) Blurays and are much cheaper, and the wii is SD. Not to mention a good quality SD widescreen CRT will outperform a crappy $150 HDTV, in colour reproduction and such.APiranhaAteMyVa
I don't see what that has to do with what I said. I'm talking about gaming, not DVDs.
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#74 super11azizur
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Keep s&d alive (for now anyway) iim happy with my s&d resolution tv not that I wouldn't mind a HDTV like then one in my living room but that's for family use it's ok I can tell the diffrnce between a sniper ghille and a bush
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#75 demonic_85
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Absolutely not. HDTVs have been around for quite a while and are very affordable now. Hell even 720p TV's are starting to thin out as 1080p becomes the standard and is replaced by the next resolution (probably 2K).

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#76 Gta3-fan334
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I think that SD should never not be supported. I mean you can already change the resolution on the 360 and PS3, its not like supporting 480p pushes a system to it's limits (like 1080p would) :roll:

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#77 deactivated-5b4ca38d5fcb0
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Isn't this 2011? No remove SDTV support and give us some more slim menus. If SDTV users have a hard time reading it cry some more.

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#78 VanDammFan
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still more people "probably millions and millions IF NOT billions" who have SDTVs...Cant just expect everyone to jump on the ole HD wagon.

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yea they should , but most poeple i know have at least 1 hdtv and once u play a game in hd u wont wanna go back to sdcoltgames

Unless you enjoy playing previous generation games where the systems involved don't support component or HDMI output and strecth the image and make it look ass ugly.

Isn't this 2011? No remove SDTV support and give us some more slim menus. If SDTV users have a hard time reading it cry some more.

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Not everyone has 10's of thousands of dollars of disposable income. I find it ironic how someone with a multiple monitor setup would condescend towards people who aren't so well-off.

I was using a 24 year-old CRT television for gaming from December 2009 to December 2010 and the only thing I had a problem with was seeing the text on games like Forza 3 and Mass Effect 2 (which didn't have an option for SD support). They only difference between graphics on a SD and HD television is that the HD television is sharper. It doesn't actually change the inherent quality of the graphics. It just allows you to see it better from a greater distance. I've been using a 360 on both SD TV's and HD monitors since July 2007, and the only difference I've ever noticed is the sharper image. I held off on a 360 for the longest time because I thought an HD TV would actually make a larger difference. But it really doesn't. Now, when you sit a couple feet away from a 2560x1600 monitor, then it makes a difference (especially if the framerate exceeds 60fps).

Absolutely not. HDTVs have been around for quite a while and are very affordable now. Hell even 720p TV's are starting to thin out as 1080p becomes the standard and is replaced by the next resolution (probably 2K).

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1080p makes no difference below 42"... so there is a reason why cheaper, lower resolution televisions are around... and will remain around until the dpi technology allows for a sharper picture than standard technology does now.

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#80 Gta3-fan334
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Isn't this 2011? No remove SDTV support and give us some more slim menus. If SDTV users have a hard time reading it cry some more.

Robbazking

Well since you can changen the resolution, the menus usually change to fit the resolution.....

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#81 Ross_the_Boss6
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We haven't quite reached the point where people say, "Remember those SDTVs people use to own."

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#82 APiranhaAteMyVa
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[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]Alot of TV content is still showing in SD, DVD'S vastly outnumber (in selection) Blurays and are much cheaper, and the wii is SD. Not to mention a good quality SD widescreen CRT will outperform a crappy $150 HDTV, in colour reproduction and such.Cherokee_Jack
I don't see what that has to do with what I said. I'm talking about gaming, not DVDs.

some don't have money or space for a TV just for gaming, I'm just saying if 90% of your content will be SD, then it would be a waste to upgrade as SD looks pretty awful on pretty much all HD sets (upscaled DVD's look OK). Of course in my case I went HD, because I have HD consoles, buy bluray and have a HD box satellite box.
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#83 enterawesome
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I play on an SDTV, so I think they should still be supported.
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#84 DragonfireXZ95
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But I thought console gaming was so simple and convenient?
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#85 VanDammFan
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But I thought console gaming was so simple and convenient?DragonfireXZ95

What in the world does that have to do with going HD or not??lol..AND yes consoles are 100x more convenient then a pc..So whats the point?

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#86 Banjo_Kongfooie
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[QUOTE="Banjo_Kongfooie"]

[QUOTE="coltgames"]yea they should , but most poeple i know have at least 1 hdtv and once u play a game in hd u wont wanna go back to sdjuliankennedy23

So you do not play older games? Did you start gaming this generation? I do not get how you are claiming that once you go HDTV you will never want to go SDTV when older games were designed for CRTTVs.

No one is saying you shouldn't keep you SDTV and hook the old colecovision up to it for a quick game of The Dukes of Hazard or Chuck Norris Superkicks.... The question is should software developers be forced to develop for a 4:3 ratio or have thier text readable of an older tv.

No the problem is that the consumer should not be required to "upgrade" to a partially inferior product to properly play a game.