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Poll Should Microsoft kill Kinect or not? (71 votes)

Yes - Kinect is worthless 56%
No - I love Kinect, voice chat, video chat, games and other features. 42%

Xbox One owners, tell me. Do you feel Kinect is important or good for Xbox One or not? I mean i like Kinect features a lot.

If Xbox One(without Kinect) and PS4 cost same much and almost same powerful then clearly PS4 would win but Kinect makes Xbox One more worth. Also i think it was right choice to make all Xbox One consoles come out with Kinect. So glad it´s with Xbox One. Voice chat, video chat, games and more awesome features.

So, was it right choice to make Xbox One with Kinect or should have Microsoft dropped it?

I mean if Xbox One had no Kinect then PS4 and Xbox One would be same consoles but just different exclusive games. I like that companies try different stuff. What you guys think? Kinect will be big part of Xbox One or not? Future or not? Worth or not? Tell me what you feel.

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#51  Edited By Mystery_Writer
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Though it's too late to kill it now as that won't correct the bad architectural decisions that was made to cut corners in horsepower in order to offset Kinect's cost.

But I'd still vote for killing it. As this might at least claim back some of the valuable memory and CPU resources that is currently exclusively reserved (taken from the already weak sauce hardware) by the OS for Kinect.

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#52  Edited By AcidThunder
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Microsoft should kill the Xbox. There, I said it.

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#53 lhughey
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The system just came out. In another year, the amount of Kinect applications will be large and Sony will try to follow. But they'll won't be able to match the amount of games and applications because of the lower install base. Microsoft made the right decision. Time will show this.

Oh, and Xbox fitness is pretty damn cool.

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#55 Krelian-co
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They should offer it as the optional gimmick it is instead of forcing everyone to pay for it, that way they could've focused on a console that doesn't struggle running last gen games at 720p.

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#56  Edited By FreedomFreeLife
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@kuu2 said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

Used Upload Studio for the first time the other day recording over a match in KI and posted it to Facebook. Everyone that saw it on my friends list asked how I did it. When I told them The One they were absolutely floored.

For those that actually have a One and have used it there is no going back to the simple and out dated PauperStation4.

Yes but PS4 owners always say: Kinect, meh no buy Xbox One console.

I own PC gaming, PS4 and Xbox One. Kinect makes Xbox One so much better.

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I voted yes because I am not a fan of it

but in reality, it is too late, they have already invested too much money into it

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#58  Edited By Jankarcop
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I voted NO.

Why? Because for the terrible and malicious to gaming XBOX brand to die, Kinect has to live. It's the Trojan Horse.

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@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

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#60 always_explicit
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@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

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#62  Edited By StriateEnd
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Kinect is bollocks. Just like all forms of motion controls that we've seen so far. Regular controller or gtfo. Well, that's until the Occulus Rift has been perfected and Sony/MS has brought out their VR headset. Proper VR gaming is the only form of gaming that I want other than regular controllers. So yeah, keep all your bullshit "innovation" as far away from me as possible MS/Sony/Nintendo. If your going to "innovate" the standard gaming controller, do what Nintendo did this gen with the Wii U Tablet controller. It allows you to play your games without waving your arms and flicking your wrists around the fuking room while providing a second screen which can actually be incredibly useful in a game.

But on a business perspective, MS should obviously not drop it. It's a money machine isn't it?

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#63  Edited By -RPGamer-
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Of the people saying keep Kinect due to voice commands. How many of you think a Kinct is actually the only way to pull that off?

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#64 AmazonTreeBoa
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@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

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#65  Edited By Nonstop-Madness
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It's not a bad idea in the long run but in the short term, it's definitely hurting them.

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@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

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#67  Edited By Shielder7
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Should they Yes

Will they Hell No.

MS is still having wet Dreams over the Wiis success even tho Nintendo is smart enough to never speak of motion controls again

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Kinect right now is pretty much a glorified remote that you pay extra for. Some of the features definitely have a tendency to get old real fast; voice commands. Other than that most of the gaming inclusions are 100% gimmicky plus with no dedicated Kinect game at launch and only Kinect sports rivals on the horizon there's definitely not that much going for it. It's only viable until the price comes waaaay way down, or the drop it out the box for the die hard fans who think that it's still the second coming, which it isn't.

Oh yeah, forgot: 'The Fighter Within' fighting for the medal of one of the worst rated games of all time.

A great testament to why the kinect is useless for gaming because it's not a form of direct input.

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#69 killatwill15
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as it stands right now,

the only thing that makes the Kinect special,

can be done through a headset.

I am really inching towards getting one,

but it is that damn Kinect,

I fucking hate that thing....

they ditch it, they have my money

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No. 2 models

With Kinect: $449

W/out Kinect: $349

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#71  Edited By Opus_Rea-333
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mostly cows/PS4 owners voting Yes without even experiencing Kinect 2.0 first.

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@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

Sorry, but end of discussion. I am not getting the X1 due to the Kinect. Suck it up and deal with it.

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Since I have never marketed a fvckin thing in my life, I feel pretty under qualified to accurately decide if they should keep Kinect or not. I used the first Kinect with my 360, and have heard from a former NCO, and another buddy, the new Kinect is amazingly accurate in a crowded living room. The friends I have with either next gen console are pleased they have what they have.

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On the basis of exercise games alone - kinect is worth it. Something you fatty fatty 2 by 4's will never understand

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Kinectless SKU coming soon. Book it.

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#76 always_explicit
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@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

Sorry, but end of discussion. I am not getting the X1 due to the Kinect. Suck it up and deal with it.

No need to apologise. I couldnt care less if you get one or not. Just thought as someone who is clearly concerned about your privacy you might wish to be informed about the above realistic and common privacy infringements that occur... as opposed to your rather ridiculous concern that the NSA will spy on people through the ingeniously covert ACTUAL camera in the living room.

See a video stream isnt like an audio stream, it cant be data mined for key words, someone has to watch that footage, so do the math. Add up the millions of hours of gameplay clocked worldwide per day, then take into consideration the fact that at least the same amount of people would have to spend the same amount of time watching that footage on the off chance somebody might do something illegal. Which means the NSA wouldnt be a small covert government organisation any more....but a huge organisation with thousands maybe millions of employees watching and listening to people play video games. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds spent, employing these people to monitor these kinects....plus a substantial bonus for keeping them quiet due to the fact the press would LOVE a story about government spying on their citizens using games consoles.

Imagine it now....Uncle Sam spying on 5 year old timmy playing peggle. WHY OBAMA WHY!!!

The NSA monitor phonecalls and emails for key words...like BOMB.....I wonder how many times people say GUN, BOMB, EXPLOSION...during a game of COD....or battlefield or even dead rising....or killzone...pretty difficult to get this idea off the ground dont you think bub?

Anyway...Im all sucked up now....and I think I am gonna be able to deal with it. Just dont spread the stupid.

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#77 AmazonTreeBoa
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@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

Sorry, but end of discussion. I am not getting the X1 due to the Kinect. Suck it up and deal with it.

No need to apologise. I couldnt care less if you get one or not. Just thought as someone who is clearly concerned about your privacy you might wish to be informed about the above realistic and common privacy infringements that occur... as opposed to your rather ridiculous concern that the NSA will spy on people through the ingeniously covert ACTUAL camera in the living room.

See a video stream isnt like an audio stream, it cant be data mined for key words, someone has to watch that footage, so do the math. Add up the millions of hours of gameplay clocked worldwide per day, then take into consideration the fact that at least the same amount of people would have to spend the same amount of time watching that footage on the off chance somebody might do something illegal. Which means the NSA wouldnt be a small covert government organisation any more....but a huge organisation with thousands maybe millions of employees watching and listening to people play video games. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds spent, employing these people to monitor these kinects....plus a substantial bonus for keeping them quiet due to the fact the press would LOVE a story about government spying on their citizens using games consoles.

Imagine it now....Uncle Sam spying on 5 year old timmy playing peggle. WHY OBAMA WHY!!!

The NSA monitor phonecalls and emails for key words...like BOMB.....I wonder how many times people say GUN, BOMB, EXPLOSION...during a game of COD....or battlefield or even dead rising....or killzone...pretty difficult to get this idea off the ground dont you think bub?

Anyway...Im all sucked up now....and I think I am gonna be able to deal with it. Just dont spread the stupid.

Somebody wrote a book of jibberish that I won't be bothering reading.

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@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

Sorry, but end of discussion. I am not getting the X1 due to the Kinect. Suck it up and deal with it.

No need to apologise. I couldnt care less if you get one or not. Just thought as someone who is clearly concerned about your privacy you might wish to be informed about the above realistic and common privacy infringements that occur... as opposed to your rather ridiculous concern that the NSA will spy on people through the ingeniously covert ACTUAL camera in the living room.

See a video stream isnt like an audio stream, it cant be data mined for key words, someone has to watch that footage, so do the math. Add up the millions of hours of gameplay clocked worldwide per day, then take into consideration the fact that at least the same amount of people would have to spend the same amount of time watching that footage on the off chance somebody might do something illegal. Which means the NSA wouldnt be a small covert government organisation any more....but a huge organisation with thousands maybe millions of employees watching and listening to people play video games. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds spent, employing these people to monitor these kinects....plus a substantial bonus for keeping them quiet due to the fact the press would LOVE a story about government spying on their citizens using games consoles.

Imagine it now....Uncle Sam spying on 5 year old timmy playing peggle. WHY OBAMA WHY!!!

The NSA monitor phonecalls and emails for key words...like BOMB.....I wonder how many times people say GUN, BOMB, EXPLOSION...during a game of COD....or battlefield or even dead rising....or killzone...pretty difficult to get this idea off the ground dont you think bub?

Anyway...Im all sucked up now....and I think I am gonna be able to deal with it. Just dont spread the stupid.

Somebody wrote a book of jibberish that I won't be bothering reading.

Its probably best, you wouldnt understand. Its filled with common sense and other concepts that might cause your tiny brain to implode.

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Yes. I don't like the idea of the NSA spying on me. If they want to watch me whack off, that's okay, but I want to be paid for it. I don't want to make free videos for them to watch.

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Yes, kill it with fire!

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If they should kill kinect is an actual question? hahaha

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@stuff238 said:

Yes. I don't like the idea of the NSA spying on me. If they want to watch me whack off, that's okay, but I want to be paid for it. I don't want to make free videos for them to watch.

OMG... ANOTHER AMERICAN. RELIGION REALLY HAS BRAINWASHED YOUR BRAINS.

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They should keep it. Brings variety to the industry and quite frankly I don't want another gen of the hd twins. Already had 8 years of that.

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@hamster3_3 said:

Saying "Xbox pause" is the best feature. Other than that it's a waste of time and developers know that, that's why there are only stupid little kinect features in games that you don't need and never use, such as calling zombies over and head tracking in forza. I don't even know what the head tracking does but I've not needed it in the 170 levels I've got on that game.

You played only "kinect supported games" but how about playing "only kinect games". About 45% games right now on Xbox One supports Kinect. Kinect exclusive games are so much better. Just Dance is bad with Wii or PS4 motion controller(plus camera needed) but with Kinect you don´t need anything else to buy(extra). So then game developers who make Just Dance game can see that they sell most on Xbox One and then they make extra features and stuff exclusivly on Xbox One. Trust me, Kinect will be big part in future.

I played Kinect Adventures! on Xbox 360 and it was very awesome. Better than Wii

a dance game. yeah ok, and how about a REAL game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP1a-KHZnLw

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There is a lot of cow BS here but I'll state my opinion and then shuffle away to a safe distance.

As an owner of a gaming PC, a PS4 and an X1, I would say it is a no-brainer to keep Kinect.

When you use both consoles side by side, you see the advantages that come with it, it is a totally different console experience. Removing Kinect from the package makes the X1 a PS4 clone with weaker hardware, but with it I think there are many more possibilities. Every detail of the X1 UI has the Kinect considered, and it just works really well with it, not only that but having it as a built in part of the package for any game to use is awesome.

So not only do I vote to keep Kinect, but I've stated for a while that they should never sell an X1 without one. I think the Kinect 2.0 has a lot of potential, and it would be a shame if it lost support.

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@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

Sorry, but end of discussion. I am not getting the X1 due to the Kinect. Suck it up and deal with it.

No need to apologise. I couldnt care less if you get one or not. Just thought as someone who is clearly concerned about your privacy you might wish to be informed about the above realistic and common privacy infringements that occur... as opposed to your rather ridiculous concern that the NSA will spy on people through the ingeniously covert ACTUAL camera in the living room.

See a video stream isnt like an audio stream, it cant be data mined for key words, someone has to watch that footage, so do the math. Add up the millions of hours of gameplay clocked worldwide per day, then take into consideration the fact that at least the same amount of people would have to spend the same amount of time watching that footage on the off chance somebody might do something illegal. Which means the NSA wouldnt be a small covert government organisation any more....but a huge organisation with thousands maybe millions of employees watching and listening to people play video games. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds spent, employing these people to monitor these kinects....plus a substantial bonus for keeping them quiet due to the fact the press would LOVE a story about government spying on their citizens using games consoles.

Imagine it now....Uncle Sam spying on 5 year old timmy playing peggle. WHY OBAMA WHY!!!

The NSA monitor phonecalls and emails for key words...like BOMB.....I wonder how many times people say GUN, BOMB, EXPLOSION...during a game of COD....or battlefield or even dead rising....or killzone...pretty difficult to get this idea off the ground dont you think bub?

Anyway...Im all sucked up now....and I think I am gonna be able to deal with it. Just dont spread the stupid.

Somebody wrote a book of jibberish that I won't be bothering reading.

Its probably best, you wouldnt understand. Its filled with common sense and other concepts that might cause your tiny brain to implode.

Aw how cute, insults. Is that the best you can do? How sad is that.

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Microsoft needs to do something with it. It needs a few killer apps. Wii Sports Ripoff 2.0 and.... well that's it, and it isn't cutting it.

When Nintendo released the Wii, it released the killer app of killer apps. Wii Sports, then followed it up. The Wiimote felt necessary. There is nothing that makes me think "I need a Kinect!"

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@AHUGECAT said:

Microsoft needs to do something with it. It needs a few killer apps. Wii Sports Ripoff 2.0 and.... well that's it, and it isn't cutting it.

When Nintendo released the Wii, it released the killer app of killer apps. Wii Sports, then followed it up. The Wiimote felt necessary. There is nothing that makes me think "I need a Kinect!"

There is. First look at trolling video. Everyone uses kinect. Kinect has better voice system, also you can video chat(full 1080p) while PS4 does not have it. Also voice commands. Killer apps, well Kinect Adventures! sold more than anything on PS3 or Xbox 360. Next killer apps is Kinect Sports Rival. More to come at E3 2014.

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@AHUGECAT said:

Microsoft needs to do something with it. It needs a few killer apps. Wii Sports Ripoff 2.0 and.... well that's it, and it isn't cutting it.

When Nintendo released the Wii, it released the killer app of killer apps. Wii Sports, then followed it up. The Wiimote felt necessary. There is nothing that makes me think "I need a Kinect!"

There is. First look at trolling video. Everyone uses kinect. Kinect has better voice system, also you can video chat(full 1080p) while PS4 does not have it. Also voice commands. Killer apps, well Kinect Adventures! sold more than anything on PS3 or Xbox 360. Next killer apps is Kinect Sports Rival. More to come at E3 2014.

Kinect Adventures sold a lot because it was bundled.

Anyway, Xbox Fitness looks to have potential to be a killer app but it needs to be advertised more.

Kinect Sports Rivals should have made it at launch.... but Kinect not only needs casual games but hardcore games as well.

One game isn't going to cut it. The Kinect needs at least a dozen or so decent games, with a few being great soon.

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#90  Edited By FreedomFreeLife
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@AHUGECAT said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@AHUGECAT said:

Microsoft needs to do something with it. It needs a few killer apps. Wii Sports Ripoff 2.0 and.... well that's it, and it isn't cutting it.

When Nintendo released the Wii, it released the killer app of killer apps. Wii Sports, then followed it up. The Wiimote felt necessary. There is nothing that makes me think "I need a Kinect!"

There is. First look at trolling video. Everyone uses kinect. Kinect has better voice system, also you can video chat(full 1080p) while PS4 does not have it. Also voice commands. Killer apps, well Kinect Adventures! sold more than anything on PS3 or Xbox 360. Next killer apps is Kinect Sports Rival. More to come at E3 2014.

Kinect Adventures sold a lot because it was bundled.

Anyway, Xbox Fitness looks to have potential to be a killer app but it needs to be advertised more.

Kinect Sports Rivals should have made it at launch.... but Kinect not only needs casual games but hardcore games as well.

One game isn't going to cut it. The Kinect needs at least a dozen or so decent games, with a few being great soon.

Wait for E3

Yes maybe Kinect Sports Rival should made it at launch but RARE said that quality is matter. Better quality game in 2014 than unfinished game in 2013

No, Kinect Adventures sold sepertly, even i bought Kinect 1 day, and Kinect Adventures second day. Im sure they show big games at E3

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@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@always_explicit said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@shawn30 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Kinect is the single biggest reason I will not own an X1. I won't even allow a friend to bring over his X1 to hook up in my house because of Kinect. So yes, I would be a lot more open to buying an X1 if they released a Kinectless model for $100-$150 less than it's current asking price.

See, I feel the exact opposite way. I honestly, after using Kinect since launch day would never not use it to navigate the system, features, games, ect. It is absolutely for me one of the difference makers why I have so little interest in the PS4. The biggest being I feel the gaming line-up is so much better on the One, but that's not the topic of this thread.

When I show friends how the One works they are all damn impressed with the voice controls/navigation and Xbox Fitness alone sells me on the camera as its very well done how you can monitor your movements to see if you are doing the motions correctly. IMHO MS should drop the price of the One, but include it still and never sell it minus Kinect. Let people who don't want to use it simply set it aside, but the experience is very good as far as I am concerned. Its not perfect, has flaws, and will be constantly updated as the gen goes on but once the One becomes a dev box that great Kinect experience will likely come from a ambitious, creative indie dev. MS will still make the dance and kids games, but for me as a core gamer I don't have interest in motion controls outside of the navigation of the OS, Xbox Fitness, Skype. and Upload Studio, which I think is amazing and will only get better.

So we agree the price needs to drop. But I don't want to see Kinect drop. I see a great deal of potential with it, but not in a core game. At least not yet.

The price isn't my issue. I only mentioned price because it would only be natural to drop the price if you remove Kinect. Kinect itself is the issue for me. It isn't that the NSA WILL spy on me. It's the fact that they even have the option to do so. When it came out that the NSA could spy on me like that, I lost all interest in the system.

You are already being monitored brother.

Not to the level they would be able to with Kinect.

Unless your breaking the law, what you are doing inside your living room is much less interesting than your address, phone number, email address, bank account details, which if your anything like most average consumers is already on several hundred databases. The extremely obvious camera in your living room really should be bottom of your list of concerns.

Sorry, but end of discussion. I am not getting the X1 due to the Kinect. Suck it up and deal with it.

No need to apologise. I couldnt care less if you get one or not. Just thought as someone who is clearly concerned about your privacy you might wish to be informed about the above realistic and common privacy infringements that occur... as opposed to your rather ridiculous concern that the NSA will spy on people through the ingeniously covert ACTUAL camera in the living room.

See a video stream isnt like an audio stream, it cant be data mined for key words, someone has to watch that footage, so do the math. Add up the millions of hours of gameplay clocked worldwide per day, then take into consideration the fact that at least the same amount of people would have to spend the same amount of time watching that footage on the off chance somebody might do something illegal. Which means the NSA wouldnt be a small covert government organisation any more....but a huge organisation with thousands maybe millions of employees watching and listening to people play video games. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds spent, employing these people to monitor these kinects....plus a substantial bonus for keeping them quiet due to the fact the press would LOVE a story about government spying on their citizens using games consoles.

Imagine it now....Uncle Sam spying on 5 year old timmy playing peggle. WHY OBAMA WHY!!!

The NSA monitor phonecalls and emails for key words...like BOMB.....I wonder how many times people say GUN, BOMB, EXPLOSION...during a game of COD....or battlefield or even dead rising....or killzone...pretty difficult to get this idea off the ground dont you think bub?

Anyway...Im all sucked up now....and I think I am gonna be able to deal with it. Just dont spread the stupid.

Somebody wrote a book of jibberish that I won't be bothering reading.

Its probably best, you wouldnt understand. Its filled with common sense and other concepts that might cause your tiny brain to implode.

Aw how cute, insults. Is that the best you can do? How sad is that.

Well im not sad, nobody else cares, you couldnt be bothered to read the reasoned, logical argument you are far more worthy an insult than you are another wasted logical post.