Should Nintendo be more innovative?

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Johnny_Rock

Agreed. but the problem that Nintendo has is that they just rehash the same IP's with every new system. It's Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Donkey Kong, over and over and over again. The repetition is just killing me.

nintendo are honestly the most innovative out the big 3 you should be asking the other companies that

SMG2 has more innovations in one level than some games have in the entire playthrough. What Nintendo is new IPs, not innovation. So yeah, I agree with what you are saying, but not your title.funsohng

what nintendo need is the ip's they dont use and push them to the spotlight like their mascots, they dont really need new ip's per say

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Were some gamers happy with some Sonic games? Are Beyond Good and Evil and Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy two of the worst games of all time? Sales do not indicate the happiness of gamers, it's just a sign of how popular a game is.nintendoboy16

We aren't talking about "some" gamers. You can't find "some" people happy and unhappy about everything. We are talking in general (more than "some").

Obviously people weren't happy with Sega way of handling their consoles, nor enough people showed interested in BGaE.

But people keep showing constant interest in Nintendo products.

I'm perfectly fine with their games.What I'm not fine with is not bringing back some franchises,like F-Zero,and Star Fox.

So we are going to ignore the Wii altogether, as well as games like SMG?

I'm perfectly fine with their games.What I'm not fine with is not bringing back some franchises,like F-Zero,and Star Fox.

Michael0134567

In terms of what they do with their console tech, I'd rather them be less 'innovative.'

As for games, they need more innovation. Seriously, why can't they churn out even ONE new ,different IP that has their signatureNintendo polish? Instead, they use the same things from ~20years ago. Gamers may be content with that, But Nintendo has the potential to create an amazing, new, innovativeIP, and yet they would throw it away for even more Mario and Zelda.

they are the only ones that will take a risk so no

In terms of what they do with their console tech, I'd rather them be less 'innovative.'

As for games, they need more innovation. Seriously, why can't they churn out even ONE new ,different IP that has their signatureNintendo polish? Instead, they use the same things from ~20years ago. Gamers may be content with that, But Nintendo has the potential to create an amazing, new, innovativeIP, and yet they would throw it away for even more Mario and Zelda.

LORD_BLACKGULT

Good point. I also feel there should be more software innovation rather than controller innovation.

In terms of what they do with their console tech, I'd rather them be less 'innovative.'

As for games, they need more innovation. Seriously, why can't they churn out even ONE new ,different IP that has their signatureNintendo polish? Instead, they use the same things from ~20years ago. Gamers may be content with that, But Nintendo has the potential to create an amazing, new, innovativeIP, and yet they would throw it away for even more Mario and Zelda.

LORD_BLACKGULT

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

I'm perfectly fine with their games.What I'm not fine with is not bringing back some franchises,like F-Zero,and Star Fox.

Lexter45

So we're just ignoring one of the best RPGs now, right? Carry on Thunderdrone

What game am I ignoring? Just because I decided to not list every current IP they are presently using does not mean I am ignoring a thing...

Is it wrong of me to want a fresh, innovative IP out of Nintendo on top of some already established IP's?

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] So we're just ignoring one of the best RPGs now, right? Carry on LORD_BLACKGULT

What game am I ignoring? Just because I decided to not list every current IP they are presently using does not mean I am ignoring a thing...

Is it wrong of me to want a fresh, innovative IP out of Nintendo on top of some already established IP's?

[QUOTE="LORD_BLACKGULT"]

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] So we're just ignoring one of the best RPGs now, right? Carry on darth-pyschosis

What game am I ignoring? Just because I decided to not list every current IP they are presently using does not mean I am ignoring a thing...

Is it wrong of me to want a fresh, innovative IP out of Nintendo on top of some already established IP's?

I think he is referring to Xenoblade, which is a critically acclaimed RPG out in Japan and Europe for the Wii by Nintendo, and is a new IPdarth-pyschosis

Indeed, I know about that, but alas it appears I won't be able to play it, being in the U.S. It's a great game (from what I've heard). Hopefully it makes its way to the US (I've stopped keeping track, so I may be uninformed).

And how many new IP's does nintendo make? Back in their golden years, it seemed like they pumped out new, fresh stuff, for a little while. These days, it has slowed , and Nintendo is busy milking (NOT saying this is bad) existing IP's, or killing some off... :(

Perhaps it is a bit naive of me to want them to do more new IP's, as it seems nintendo fans won't give them (like xenoblade last I heard) the support they deserve... but that won't stop me from wishing...

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"] I think he is referring to Xenoblade, which is a critically acclaimed RPG out in Japan and Europe for the Wii by Nintendo, and is a new IPLORD_BLACKGULT

Indeed, I know about that, but alas it appears I won't be able to play it, being in the U.S. It's a great game (from what I've heard). Hopefully it makes its way to the US (I've stopped keeping track, so I may be uninformed).

And how many new IP's does nintendo make? Back in their golden years, it seemed like they pumped out new, fresh stuff, for a little while. These days, it has slowed , and Nintendo is busy milking (NOT saying this is bad) existing IP's, or killing some off... :(

Perhaps it is a bit naive of me to want them to do more new IP's, as it seems nintendo fans won't give them (like xenoblade last I heard) the support they deserve... but that won't stop me from wishing...

Though 25% of that is probably stuff that the core gamer wouldn't be interested in then 50% of the core stuff never make it to America. 75% of their new IPs this gen were for the DS so since it is on a handheld the majority of System Wars ignores it.

Edit* I'm not sure on the actual percentage but I'm just estimating but I know they made 80+ new IPs this gen.

I don't think lack of innovation is their problem-- their problem is in keeping things practical.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="LORD_BLACKGULT"]

What game am I ignoring? Just because I decided to not list every current IP they are presently using does not mean I am ignoring a thing...

Is it wrong of me to want a fresh, innovative IP out of Nintendo on top of some already established IP's?

BrunoBRS

Most people arent allowed to play it?! Why is the game made out of platnium or something?! Does it have a curse upon it which will kill me in seven days after finishing the game... Why cant i play it.

Im from UK and can walk into a shop any time i like and purchase a copy. I Dont think America equals the whole universe.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"] I think he is referring to Xenoblade, which is a critically acclaimed RPG out in Japan and Europe for the Wii by Nintendo, and is a new IP Also, to be fair Nintendo tries lots of new things, they just put their characters in exciting new games. RPG themed on paper? Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby Mass Attack come to mind right away as games that technically have an old name, but are entirely new games that play much differently than other entries in their series. Dibdibdobdobo

Most people arent allowed to play it?! Why is the game made out of platnium or something?! Does it have a curse upon it which will kill me in seven days after finishing the game... Why cant i play it.

Im from UK and can walk into a shop any time i like and purchase a copy. I Dont think America equals the whole universe.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] pretty much what i was saying a couple posts ago. as for xenoblade, it's kinda hard to count it when most people aren't allowed to play the damn game.BrunoBRS

Most people arent allowed to play it?! Why is the game made out of platnium or something?! Does it have a curse upon it which will kill me in seven days after finishing the game... Why cant i play it.

Im from UK and can walk into a shop any time i like and purchase a copy. I Dont think America equals the whole universe.

Its still not the whole world whichever way you want to attempt to spin it.

What we need is for them to adopt modern ideas.

-Online multiplayer(*cough* starfox)
-No region lock (encourages illegal actions done to the console)

-friends list/easier communication with friends

Should they be more innovative? Sure it never hurts but they already have been

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

Most people arent allowed to play it?! Why is the game made out of platnium or something?! Does it have a curse upon it which will kill me in seven days after finishing the game... Why cant i play it.

Im from UK and can walk into a shop any time i like and purchase a copy. I Dont think America equals the whole universe.

Dibdibdobdobo

most sales come from NA = most of the market is in NA. game is denied to NA = most of the market left out. what's so hard to get?

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] no, but NTSC english composes a ridiculously big part of the videogames market. so when a whole continent (and, sales-wise, the most important continent) is neglected a game, then yes, most people can't play it.BrunoBRS

most sales come from NA = most of the market is in NA. game is denied to NA = most of the market left out. what's so hard to get?

No but you are exagurating on how big the market is in the US with saying "most people aren't allowed to play the damn game" when Europe is just as important and probaly just as big as the US Market. It be like me exagurating that Europe didnt get something and saying "most people aren't allowed to play the damn game"

No its not hard to get, You areexagurating. I knew this from the get go.

Population 830 million = Europe, North America / Canada = 350 million. Nooo its not the most of the market. Seems that the european market is WAYYY bigger. 25 million sold in Europe and 30 million sold in US, Wii's that is.

Im sure some paticular games sell very well in the US while dontsell over here, Just like how some games sell well in Japan and dont sell well in the US. Its all swings and round abouts.

"inno...." the most overused word on this forum.

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"] Its still not the whole world whichever way you want to attempt to spin it. SIMPLEZZZZ... Oh you wont get the SIMPLEZZZ thing as your not here in UK where us gamers enjoy games like Xenoblade and know the difference between whole world and a continent.Dibdibdobdobo

most sales come from NA = most of the market is in NA. game is denied to NA = most of the market left out. what's so hard to get?

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"] Its still not the whole world whichever way you want to attempt to spin it. SIMPLEZZZZ... Oh you wont get the SIMPLEZZZ thing as your not here in UK where us gamers enjoy games like Xenoblade and know the difference between whole world and a continent.Dibdibdobdobo

most sales come from NA = most of the market is in NA. game is denied to NA = most of the market left out. what's so hard to get?

No but you are exagurating on how big the market is in the US with saying "most people aren't allowed to play the damn game" when Europe is just as important and probaly just as big as the US Market. It be like me exagurating that Europe didnt get something and saying "most people aren't allowed to play the damn game"

No its not hard to get, You areexagurating. I knew this from the get go.

Population 830 million = Europe, North America / Canada = 350 million. Nooo its not the most of the market. Seems that potentially the european market is WAYYY bigger.

people not from NA have a hard time understand NA is The biggest market for gaming. Bruno is right A good portion of gamers cant play xenoblade because its not in the biggest gaming continent....

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] when did i say the whole world? i said most.

most sales come from NA = most of the market is in NA. game is denied to NA = most of the market left out. what's so hard to get?

BrunoBRS

Let's take a look at this.

There are 40 million Wii consoles in the USA, 23 million in Europe.

There are 25 million 360 consoles in the USA, 13.7 million in Europe.

There are 13.5 million PS3 consoles in the USA, 16 million in Europe.

I wouldn't say "most sales come from NA" or "most of the market is in NA." That's a fallacy, as the European market is >50% of the American market.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] when did i say the whole world? i said most.

most sales come from NA = most of the market is in NA. game is denied to NA = most of the market left out. what's so hard to get?

No but you are exagurating on how big the market is in the US with saying "most people aren't allowed to play the damn game" when Europe is just as important and probaly just as big as the US Market. It be like me exagurating that Europe didnt get something and saying "most people aren't allowed to play the damn game"

No its not hard to get, You areexagurating. I knew this from the get go.

Population 830 million = Europe, North America / Canada = 350 million. Nooo its not the most of the market. Seems that potentially the european market is WAYYY bigger.

people not from NA have a hard time understand NA is The biggest market for gaming. Bruno is right A good portion of gamers cant play xenoblade because its not in the biggest gaming continent....

[I I've just looked it up and its not that much of a difference. 10 million altogether between europe and US of all console sales. Dibdibdobdobo

There are 40 million Wii consoles in the USA, 23 million in Europe. = 17 million difference

There are 25 million 360 consoles in the USA, 13.7 million in Europe. = 11.3 million difference

There are 13.5 million PS3 consoles in the USA, 16 million in Europe. = 2.5 million difference

While the largest market is NA, most of the market is not in NA.

Nintendo innovates just as much, if not more, than pretty much all other developers.

People love to say Nintendo "lacks innovation" because they fall back on their core franchises so often. As a business, they have to fall back on proven franchises that will bring in sales, otherwise they go under. And with practically every iteration of their franchises, they try something new, while building on the old.

But of course, it's cool to hate on Nintendo here in SW.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][I I've just looked it up and its not that much of a difference. 10 million altogether between europe and US of all console sales. peterw007

There are 40 million Wii consoles in the USA, 23 million in Europe. = 17 million difference

There are 25 million 360 consoles in the USA, 13.7 million in Europe. = 11.3 million difference

There are 13.5 million PS3 consoles in the USA, 16 million in Europe. = 2.5 million difference

While the largest market is NA, most of the market is not in NA.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

We aren't talking about "some" gamers. You can't find "some" people happy and unhappy about everything. We are talking in general (more than "some").

Obviously people weren't happy with Sega way of handling their consoles, nor enough people showed interested in BGaE.

But people keep showing constant interest in Nintendo products.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]All I'm saying is that gamers have not been happy with Nintendo for a LONG time, regardless of high sales and critic scores. Even when they do good, they are doing wrong. Proving that they are one of the most frowned upon companies in gaming, like Activision, EA, Capcom, and Ubisoft.nintendoboy16

Eh? Wii and DS are both innovative.

But like I said in the other thread, I do agree than Ninty should increase their developers in their workforce.

No their innovations led to the Wii. What nintendo needs to do is strike a balance between this new found audience and core gamers. They found one easily with the DS, why can't they do the same on the Wii? They can with the Wii U, but I don't think most core gamers will give them a chance again. The wii is the only platform that I cannot see any core game owning by itself.

Beyond that I do think their franchises need to evolve. Xenoblade wasn't innovative, just well made so I don't see why posters on the first page are bringing it up, SMG was innovative because the only platformers nintendo need to top are their own. They have almost no competition in this regard, so any improvement to their series is considered innovative. I think zelda needs deeper combat, it's a very very shallow game, metroid is fine, mario needs a new twist to it rather than the regular save the princess thing. The rest of nintendo's games can pretty much keep doing what they are doing because they come out so few and far between it really doesn't matter. At this point according to the creator, there's no saving smash bros, and he doesn't care about balance or any of the sort so I'm just ignoring that.

No their innovations led to the Wii. What nintendo needs to do is strike a balance between this new found audience and core gamers. They found one easily with the DS, why can't they do the same on the Wii? They can with the Wii U, but I don't think most core gamers will give them a chance again. The wii is the only platform that I cannot see any core game owning by itself.

Beyond that I do think their franchises need to evolve. Xenoblade wasn't innovative, just well made so I don't see why posters on the first page are bringing it up, SMG was innovative because the only platformers nintendo need to top are their own. They have almost no competition in this regard, so any improvement to their series is considered innovative. I think zelda needs deeper combat, it's a very very shallow game, metroid is fine, mario needs a new twist to it rather than the regular save the princess thing. The rest of nintendo's games can pretty much keep doing what they are doing because they come out so few and far between it really doesn't matter. At this point according to the creator, there's no saving smash bros, and he doesn't care about balance or any of the sort so I'm just ignoring that.

GD1551

In fairness with Ninty, they tried with the Wii. Almost all1st PartyNinty games implemented the Wii controls smoothly.It's just that 3rd Party Developers would rather skip the new controls and just pump out a multiplat for both PS3 and X360. DS was well supported by Ninty and 3rd Party developers because its easier to develop games handheld games.

Zelda Skyward Sword, with the addition of Motion Plus is innovative in gameplay. You need to be precise with your movement.

SMGgot a 9.5 while SMG2got a 10 so I don't get where the complain is.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][I I've just looked it up and its not that much of a difference. 10 million altogether between europe and US of all console sales. peterw007

There are 40 million Wii consoles in the USA, 23 million in Europe. = 17 million difference

There are 25 million 360 consoles in the USA, 13.7 million in Europe. = 11.3 million difference

There are 13.5 million PS3 consoles in the USA, 16 million in Europe. = 2.5 million difference

While the largest market is NA, most of the market is not in NA.

^ I think this point doesn't matter though to anyone that lives in NA. I hope the rest of the world enjoys xenoblade, I really do. I can't play it so it doesn't make much difference to me, does it?

It's fine with me if Nintendo (or any other game company) is more innovative, so long as that "innovation" doesn't involve motion control.