Should PC gaming be broken up into generations?

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#1 deactivated-5a07ca3443cc2
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What is a determing leap with PC hardware that would divide generations?

What do you guys think?

(for instance, PC games from 2000-2005 should only be compared to PS2, Xbox, Gamecube.)

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#2 Drizzt13
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Its extremely hard to do this and I don't think we would have a majority vote for a year range.
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#3 Bromz
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Whats the point...
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There would be hundreds of pc game generations. lol

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#5 kcm_117
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Nah Pc Gaming goes more like a gradual upwards slope, rather than big jumps like consoles
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#6 Spartan070
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Whats the point...Bromz

For easier categorization and comparisons against same era console games.

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#7 Arnalion
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Since there is almost 100% backward compatibility i see no reason
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#8 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Bromz"]Whats the point...Spartan070

For easier categorization and comparisons against same era console games.

There would be far too many PC generations. The PC is already one generation ahead of consoles in terms of technology. Besides, reviewers don't split up generatiosn when comparing PC games for reviews. Thats why standards are so bloody high. If you want to split it into generations, you'd have to convince reviewers as well to warrant any kind of fair comparison to consoles.
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#9 Spartan070
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Nah Pc Gaming goes more like a gradual upwards slope, rather than big jumps like consoleskcm_117

There are still "chonological landmarks" we can use to help clarify defining turning points in PC gaming though.

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#10 deactivated-5a07ca3443cc2
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I just feel if it's going to be compared to consoles it should have some basic "gimps" if you will, one of them being time.
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#11 Ragashahs
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not realy PC gaming goes forward(hardware wise) every year while console gaming only goes forward every 3-5 years
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#12 Spartan070
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When a new console generation arrives it replaces the old one. One could think of it as when a new PC generation arrives it is simply added to the previous one, which would explain the 100% backwards compatibility paradox.
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When a new console generation arrives it replaces the old one. One could think of it as when a new PC generation arrives it is simply added to the previous one, which would explain the 100% backwards compatibility paradox.Spartan070
Tiaking backwards compatibility out of the equation, why shouldn't the next PC gen start with the consoles? After all three have been released? So PC games have a chance to start over with a set standard. That would mean Crysis and Spore, Starcraft II would be "next gen" PC games. Company of Heroes and other recent games should be included as killer apps though. :?

I don't know, tough subject.

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#14 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]When a new console generation arrives it replaces the old one. One could think of it as when a new PC generation arrives it is simply added to the previous one, which would explain the 100% backwards compatibility paradox.duncanvk

Tiaking backwards compatibility out of the equation, why shouldn't the next PC gen start with the consoles? After all three have been released? So PC games have a chance to start over with a set standard. That would mean Crysis and Spore, Starcraft II would be "next gen" PC games. Company of Heroes and other recent games should be included as killer apps though. :?

I don't know, tough subject.

Crysis is a gen ahead of all consoles atm. SC2 is current gen though. Thats what makes differentiating on PCs so hard. A next gen game could come out before a current gen game. Its just all crazy like.
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#15 Spartan070
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Crysis is a gen ahead of all consoles atm. SC2 is current gen though. Thats what makes differentiating on PCs so hard. A next gen game could come out before a current gen game. Its just all crazy like.Vandalvideo

Crysis is slightly ahead but gens are categorized chronologically, not technologically. The 360 is far more powerful than a Wii but they are both the same gen.

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#16 NamelessPlayer
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It's kind of hard with PCs, since you have CPU advances, graphics and sound advances, and of course, entirely new OSes... And to further confuse things, let's go all the way back to the 80s, when we had things like C64s, Spectrums, Atari STs, Amigas, MSXs, FM-TOWNSs, Macs, and the like competing against the IBM PC. (The ironic thing was, the PC used to be the WORST computer for gaming because of its limited graphics and sound abilities-even a C64 had better graphics and sound, and the Amiga just widened the gap! All this until the late 1980s-to-early 1990s, when the PC clones got VGA and Sound Blaster cards, giving it the technological edge it sorely needed...)
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Crysis is a gen ahead of all consoles atm. SC2 is current gen though. Thats what makes differentiating on PCs so hard. A next gen game could come out before a current gen game. Its just all crazy like.Spartan070

Crysis is slightly ahead but gens are categorized chronologically, not technologically. The 360 is far more powerful than a Wii but they are both the same gen.

I thought gens were categorized by sequential upgrades in technology. Atleast thats what the Meriam's definition is. In which case, the PC has "sequential upgrades in technology" about every eight months. :o
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#18 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Crysis is a gen ahead of all consoles atm. SC2 is current gen though. Thats what makes differentiating on PCs so hard. A next gen game could come out before a current gen game. Its just all crazy like.Vandalvideo

Crysis is slightly ahead but gens are categorized chronologically, not technologically. The 360 is far more powerful than a Wii but they are both the same gen.

I thought gens were categorized by sequential upgrades in technology. Atleast thats what the Meriam's definition is. In which case, the PC has"sequential upgrades in technology" about every eight months. :o

That is true but as showcased by the 360-Wii example, the gens don't change every time someone has a "sequential upgrades in technology." When the 360 was launched, a new gen was born. When the Dreamcast was launched, a new gen was not launched. It's circumstantial, not perpetual.
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]When a new console generation arrives it replaces the old one. One could think of it as when a new PC generation arrives it is simply added to the previous one, which would explain the 100% backwards compatibility paradox.duncanvk

Tiaking backwards compatibility out of the equation, why shouldn't the next PC gen start with the consoles? After all three have been released? So PC games have a chance to start over with a set standard. That would mean Crysis and Spore, Starcraft II would be "next gen" PC games. Company of Heroes and other recent games should be included as killer apps though. :?

I don't know, tough subject.

aye it is. ure idea is not abd but the problem imho is that PC hardware still upgrades during a console generations life. the technology is constantly changing and improving. it still doesent really level the playing field.

where to draw it....hmmm. what about direct x version? any game that runs on DX10 is a next gen PC game. theres still OpenGL to consider though. and the hardware still constantly improves.

theres no point doing it by graphics gen or processor gen since A) its way too short a timeframe and B) Dx10 games could be played on older hardware with just a graphics hit (itll be quite some time before we see games with no support for DX9).

maybe windows version? there are other OSs out there but there irrelevant from a games standpoint so that could possibly work. u still have the changing hardware though. and what if DX11 also comes to vista?

ugh ure right.....tough subject.

i suppose, since all next gen consoles work with their last gen counterparts and we could compare all their playable games. eg it would be Pc vs PS3, PS2 and PS1.

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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]When a new console generation arrives it replaces the old one. One could think of it as when a new PC generation arrives it is simply added to the previous one, which would explain the 100% backwards compatibility paradox.duncanvk

Tiaking backwards compatibility out of the equation, why shouldn't the next PC gen start with the consoles? After all three have been released? So PC games have a chance to start over with a set standard. That would mean Crysis and Spore, Starcraft II would be "next gen" PC games. Company of Heroes and other recent games should be included as killer apps though. :?

I don't know, tough subject.

Yeah...taking it out? Why take it out if its there? This is kinda stupid who cares what 'era' the PC is in...no matter what its always going to be faster then consoles.
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[QUOTE="duncanvk"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]When a new console generation arrives it replaces the old one. One could think of it as when a new PC generation arrives it is simply added to the previous one, which would explain the 100% backwards compatibility paradox.RichieRich555

Tiaking backwards compatibility out of the equation, why shouldn't the next PC gen start with the consoles? After all three have been released? So PC games have a chance to start over with a set standard. That would mean Crysis and Spore, Starcraft II would be "next gen" PC games. Company of Heroes and other recent games should be included as killer apps though. :?

I don't know, tough subject.

Yeah...taking it out? Why take it out if its there? This is kinda stupid who cares what 'era' the PC is in...no matter what its always going to be faster then consoles.

It was more of a public brainstorming if anything. :P

I just feel it's hard to compare and contrast consoles and PC's if they aren't all unified under basic constraints.

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#22 trix5817
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What is a determing leap with PC hardware that would divide generations?

What do you guys think?

(for instance, PC games from 2000-2005 should only be compared to PS2, Xbox, Gamecube.)

duncanvk

If you want comparisons from 2000 and up, go to brokenrabbits thread. It has the total number of AAA/AA from 2000 and up. PC has more AAA and AA's than each console.

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[QUOTE="duncanvk"]

What is a determing leap with PC hardware that would divide generations?

What do you guys think?

(for instance, PC games from 2000-2005 should only be compared to PS2, Xbox, Gamecube.)

trix5817

If you want comparisons from 2000 and up, go to brokenrabbits thread. It has the total number of AAA/AA from 2000 and up. PC has more AAA and AA's than each console.

I know. I really enjoyed that thread, much ownage there... :P
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#24 mismajor99
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The PC can't be broken up into defined generations as each individual component has it's own generations of advancement. It's not a static closed proprietary box, which a console is.
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#25 Teuf_
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You could go by DX versions, they're pretty much what determine GPU generations these days. But even then, there's smaller updates within DX versions.
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#26 TemplaerDude
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Computer generations are already broken up into major graphic upgrades.