[Sierra] Xbox 360 is holding back the PS3

Speaking to videogaming247 at the Sierra Spring Break 08 in Mallorca last week, Terminal Reality president Mark Randel admitted that Ghostbusters on PS3 has been held back by the fact will also release on 360, saying that the game would have double the amount of objects on screen if it had been PS3-only.

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VG247: Why choose to lead on the PS3?

Mark Randell: Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures.

VG247: Right. But the game will be coming out on the 360, it's a simultaneous release. Did Sony insist it was lead?

MR: Personally, I want to show off our PS3 technology. We're one of the few developers who love the PS3 and have a great time with it. We have great technology for the PS3 and we want to show it off.

VG247: Isn't it the same for the 360?

MR: We're running the same game for both platforms but if we made a PS3-only game, for example, you could double the amount of objects on screen that you're seeing. The PlayStation 3 has seven processors and the 360 only has three, so seven versus three means you can do a lot more on the PS3. We're keeping the game the same over both platforms so we don't want to take out any features.

VG247: So is the game scaled down because of the limitations of the 360?

MR: For example, we've reserved one whole processor on the PS3 for Dolby Digital 5.1 sound whereas on the 360 you have part of one processor to do that. So we can have a lot better sound mixing and a lot more effects going on at the same time. That kinds of makes us do a little bit less in the game [360] but makes for better audio. If we're doing a PS3 only game however

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I think Killzone 2 is a sign 360 is holding PS3 back, in Killzones Pre-alpha stage it looked better than any 360 game.

Old, and still not interesting as the game looks like crap.

VG247: Why choose to lead on the PS3?

Mark Randell: Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures.

lol...

the whole sony property part made it sound like mandatory PR.

i'm willing to bet that sony demanded that they say something to that effect in every interview once they were given the rights to make the game.

but MS would make them do the same thing if it was a MS property

You dont think that SCEA and Sony Pictures run as seperate entities do you?

Old, and still not interesting as the game looks like crap.

VG247: Why choose to lead on the PS3?

Mark Randell: Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures.

lol...

BreakingPoint8

You dont think that SCEA and Sony Pictures run as seperate entities do you?

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Old, and still not interesting as the game looks like crap.

VG247: Why choose to lead on the PS3?

Mark Randell: Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures.

lol...

Vasichko

no he thinks sony is just playstation.

You dont think that SCEA and Sony Pictures run as seperate entities do you?

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Old, and still not interesting as the game looks like crap.

VG247: Why choose to lead on the PS3?

Mark Randell: Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures.

lol...

Vasichko

Ugh... This line:

The PlayStation 3 has seven processors and the 360 only has three, so seven versus three means you can do a lot more on the PS3.

Makes it sound like it came from someone on these boards rather than a developer.

Old, and still not interesting as the game looks like crap.

VG247: Why choose to lead on the PS3?

Mark Randell: Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures.

lol...

BreakingPoint8

Old, and still not interesting as the game looks like crap.

BreakingPoint8

OFC it does, it's on the PS3 :roll:

I'll believe in better developers like Rockstar, the PS3 version of GTA IV is not even 720p, the 360 is and I think it has 2xAA,who's holding back who now?

Ugh... This line:

The PlayStation 3 has seven processors and the 360 only has three, so seven versus three means you can do a lot more on the PS3.

Makes it sound like it came from someone on these boards rather than a developer.

mattbbpl

Got something to say big boy? I have my Playstation 3 sitting right here next to my Xbox 360 and Wii.

I also have never said a game looks like crap because it's on the Playstation 3.

BreakingPoint8

Big boy? Wtf are you flirting with me or just being a keyboard warrior?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Ugh... This line:

The PlayStation 3 has seven processors and the 360 only has three, so seven versus three means you can do a lot more on the PS3.

Makes it sound like it came from someone on these boards rather than a developer.

Awinagainov

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Ugh... This line:

The PlayStation 3 has seven processors and the 360 only has three, so seven versus three means you can do a lot more on the PS3.

Makes it sound like it came from someone on these boards rather than a developer.

Awinagainov

I noticed the post states that he's the president of Terminal Reality. Most presidents, VPs and such I know don't actually have any technical understanding at all. Their job is high level strategy, market positioning, and PR. This could be a similar situation.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Got something to say big boy? I have my Playstation 3 sitting right here next to my Xbox 360 and Wii.

I also have never said a game looks like crap because it's on the Playstation 3.

tonythestudent

Big boy? Wtf are you flirting with me or just being a keyboard warrior?

What the hell is a keyboard warrior by the way?

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Got something to say big boy? I have my Playstation 3 sitting right here next to my Xbox 360 and Wii.

I also have never said a game looks like crap because it's on the Playstation 3.

BreakingPoint8

Big boy? Wtf are you flirting with me or just being a keyboard warrior?

What the hell is a keyboard warrior by the way?

Here you go.

So let me get this straight. Because the PS3 is so complex to develop for Developers can't make games on the more economically profitable console first and port to PS3 because the archiecture is so complex it won't allow it without poor results.

Instead Developers have to make games on the less econimical viable platform and then port to the other which has a much more simple architecture which results in a competant port.

Call me crazy but this isn't 360 Holding PS3 this is an example of how poorly designed the PS3's development architecture really is.

Call me crazy but this isn't 360 Holding PS3 this is an example of how poorly designed the PS3's development architecture really is.

Blackbond

You're crazy! :P

Nope you're probably spot on. Sony is always doing that. This time round though they seem to be more eager to help devs with their toolset however they need to learn for next time round. I highly doubt they will thought :lol:

it's clear as day and he said it as simple as possible, the ps3 has 7 processors and the 360 only has 3, now if u program correctly for the cell then of course you can have more objects on screen, you just have to look at killzone 2 to see ps3 is the better machine, multiplats are better on 360 most of the time because there bassed around 360s strong points and then made to run on the ps3, even though ps3 games should be designed completely differently because of the cell but devs dont have the time, effort or money or more games would be looking like killzone 2bigLLL

The line you're referring to is exactly why I question his intelligence/knowledge on the matter. Any competent developer will tell you that it isn't as simple as "7 > 3". Architectures make a vast difference in performance.

I'll believe in better developers like Rockstar, the PS3 version of GTA IV is not even 720p, the 360 is and I think it has 2xAA,who's holding back who now?

club-sandwich

Ummmm hello the game was built on the 360, so its obviously taking advantage of the 360. We can also say the same with Iron Man, and ps3 version looks better. So whats your point?

And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.WilliamRLBaker

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.clintos59

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

That's obviously the devs fault not the 360s

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.clintos59

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

by who's opinion? cows? cause last i checked the rest of the world considered gears of war still graphically better, i mean with uncharted we get plastic looking characters and plastic looking foilage and if it did look better which is doesn't it was at the sacrafice of gameplay and AI. The gameplay on that game sucked its tomb raider with a dude, and the AI? sorry but its still a fact enemies standing in the middle of a room reloading while geting shot at, or not taking cover, or taking cover while facing you is dumb AI. and gameplay design? how easy is it to shoot gas barrels *there are lots of gas barrel in this game*

P.S: hence the 8.0 here for uncharted and the 9.5 or is it 9.6 for gears of war here.

yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360blackice1983

Multiplat games use the HDD for installs so that it can match the 360 DVD speeds man. Without it the 360 versions would load a crap load faster then their PS3 counterparts. Thats why devs have been making mandatory installs.

yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360blackice1983

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360navneet21

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

hmmm odd yet gta4 360 was finished months in advance they had to delay release to get the ps3 version up to snuff cause it took so long. ROCKSTAR has admitted the weak link was the ps3, and hd graphics? lol gta 4 doesn't even look as good as most of the worst looking games this generation, yet it got a 10 in graphics hmmm... *gta4 is overated*

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360navneet21

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

LINK or forever hold your peace.

And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.WilliamRLBaker

Seeing that developers are just now basicly getting the hand of the PS3 hardware. Now there are more developers making the PS3 the lead platform and porting it to the 360. Once developers really get the hang of the PS3's hardware then there may not be anymore ports because the amount of data will be so large that the 360 just will not handle the data anymore.

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[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360WilliamRLBaker

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

hmmm odd yet gta4 360 was finished months in advance they had to delay release to get the ps3 version up to snuff cause it took so long. ROCKSTAR has admitted the weak link was the ps3.

finishing gta IV on xbox 360 had nothing due to all the sacrifices they had to make... does it now? so what your saying is if they could finish on PS3 about the same time would xbox 360 dvd storage have gone up to 10gb magically?

lol yeah whatever you say man, Atleast I own all 3 current gen systems, but as for that i'll quote blackbond.

"""So let me get this straight. Because the PS3 is so complex to develop for Developers can't make games on the more economically profitable console first and port to PS3 because the archiecture is so complex it won't allow it without poor results.

Instead Developers have to make games on the less econimical viable platform and then port to the other which has a much more simple architecture which results in a competant port.

Call me crazy but this isn't 360 Holding PS3 this is an example of how poorly designed the PS3's development architecture really is."""""

Its far easier to create the game for the ps3 then port it to the 360 cause the 360 takes it and says Whats this? this is a peice of cake, look what i can do with the game! ha! runs better!

@navneet

Yes because rockstar had all ways planned to have all the stuff in san andreas right? if you go back and read developer notes and interviews they ALLWAYS had planned on limiting the game down to what it was right now, so as to put as much detail in the stuff they did add in, And in reality they didn't manage that.
But yet again HD graphics? sorry but gta 4 doesn't even look as good as some of the worst looking games this current gen, so HD Graphics had nothing to do with it.

P.S: yet again ROCKSTAR confirmed the PS3 was the weak link in geting this game up and running and released.

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[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360Blackbond

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

LINK or forever hold your peace.

there is no link its common sense, the rar file on torrent for gta IV for xbox 360 was about 7.30 and if you extract that file it comes out to about around 7.7 gb or more, and dvd9 which xbox 360 includes can hold upto 7.95 gb, so what do you think.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="navneet21"]

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360navneet21

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

LINK or forever hold your peace.

there is no link its common sense, the rar file on torrent for gta IV for xbox 360 was about 7.30 and if you extract that file it comes out to about around 7.7 gb or more, and dvd9 which xbox 360 includes can hold upto 7.95 gb, so what do you think.

common sense? what is this common sense? this is system wars common sense isn't used and what you put forth is not common sense its theory and thats all, Opinion and theory.

If rockstar had wanted they could have released the near finished 360 version of the game months ago, and delayed the ps3 version till now and added in all the great stuff you say they had all ways intended on having in the game from san andreas, Since by your words they all ways intended on having all that stuff...thus proving wrong every interview, and developer note and blog from the past 2 years from rockstar.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.WilliamRLBaker

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

by who's opinion? cows? cause last i checked the rest of the world considered gears of war still graphically better, i mean with uncharted we get plastic looking characters and plastic looking foilage and if it did look better which is doesn't it was at the sacrafice of gameplay and AI. The gameplay on that game sucked its tomb raider with a dude, and the AI? sorry but its still a fact enemies standing in the middle of a room reloading while geting shot at, or not taking cover, or taking cover while facing you is dumb AI. and gameplay design? how easy is it to shoot gas barrels *there are lots of gas barrel in this game*

P.S: hence the 8.0 here for uncharted and the 9.5 or is it 9.6 for gears of war here.

U keep bringing up scores but were talking about the graphics here. And even though cows do talk alot of crap in these forums, many sites believe uncharted>>gears graphically. Anyone who says no is blind, heck many game sites even think MGS4 looks better then gears. Dont get me wrong gears 2 will come out and prolly take the crown back but as of now uncharted is still the best looking console game and has been debated in system wars many times already it is the best looking console game. Just because some ppl love the first gears to death man doesnt mean it is the best graphical game, some lemmings need to understand that there will always be another better looking game to take that crown. Gears set the bench mark in graphics and was dethroned, but some of u just cant let that go and want to defend it even now when we already have games that look better then it.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.clintos59

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

thank you for your opinion.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="navneet21"]

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360navneet21

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

LINK or forever hold your peace.

there is no link its common sense, the rar file on torrent for gta IV for xbox 360 was about 7.30 and if you extract that file it comes out to about around 7.7 gb or more, and dvd9 which xbox 360 includes can hold upto 7.95 gb, so what do you think.

Then kindly close your mouth. If you can't back up your claims with any evidence then close your mouth. Do not state an opinion and act as if it is a fact. If you can't back it up then there is not point in you even bringing it up.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.clone01

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

thank you for your opinion.

tbh him and quite a few other non blind people have that opinion also

[QUOTE="navneet21"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="navneet21"]

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]yep if the 360 didnt exist ps3 games would have you install 10 -20 gbs of information to your hdd for faster load times and smoother frame rates . thanks alot 360WilliamRLBaker

what the hell are you talking about. If GTA IV was still PS3 exclusive we still would have everything GTA IV has and plus extra like cutomizeable cars, bikes, tanks, and able to play basketball in GTA IV like it had for GTA san andreas, but due to MS only dvd playable gta IV had none of that, to compensate for HD graphics for GTA IV they had to sacrifice all that.

LINK or forever hold your peace.

there is no link its common sense, the rar file on torrent for gta IV for xbox 360 was about 7.30 and if you extract that file it comes out to about around 7.7 gb or more, and dvd9 which xbox 360 includes can hold upto 7.95 gb, so what do you think.

common sense? what is this common sense? this is system wars common sense isn't used and what you put forth is not common sense its theory and thats all, Opinion and theory.

If rockstar had wanted they could have released the near finished 360 version of the game months ago, and delayed the ps3 version till now and added in all the great stuff you say they had all ways intended on having in the game from san andreas, Since by your words they all ways intended on having all that stuff...thus proving wrong every interview, and developer note and blog from the past 2 years from rockstar.

first of all like I said GTA IV for xbox 360 takes up more than 7.30 gb which is proven, go ahead go on torrent and extract the file and u will see the total size will come out to be 7.7 gb, and if u want me to provide u a link to a torrent side just tell me I will PM, since I cant post the link here for obvious reasons, and it is also know that dvd9 takse up 7.95 gb, so really this is not a theory. Now you might be wondering why rockstar didn't add all this content to PS3 version since they were finished early...now see the common sense part is very important, let me explain it clearly for you MS payed rockstar $50mill for extra content and do you really think it would have been a good idea to add all that content on PS3 which I talked about before. However if MS owned a larger stroage medium than rockstar could have added more content such as tanks modified cars and other stuff, this way xbox 360 and PS3 owners would have gotten more and xbox 360 still would have gotten more in winter when the extra downloadable content was going to come out.

So its has 7 cores, while 360 has 3.... :lol:

If anyone was here in 2005, would see how funny that quote is.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="clintos59"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]And as i've said before if it was an 360 only game it would look worlds better, the ps3 holds the 360 back in graphics.tonythestudent

Good Point and thats why Uncharted is still considered the best looking console game right now.

thank you for your opinion.

tbh him and quite a few other non blind people have that opinion also

i'm not knocking uncharted...some folks would say mass effect is the best looking console game. its all subjective.