Since when did AAE and AE games become a relevant argument for better library...

On System wars?

Just curious because I'm a research guy and look at alot places to gather information on stuff I'm interested in and since I'm a gamer I've been lead to SW many a time for just such information.

When all current gen consoles launched I came here from time to time to get info on how the systems were shaping up (before I had one) and 360 was unanimously considered the best console because of it's exclusive library of AAA titles.

When ever a PS3 owner would try to enter a plea that PS3's library was better using the exclusive AAE and AEtitles it had, they were greeted with the following comments:

"All those games are terrible",

"those game are trash compaired to 360's AAAE titles",

"Only good games count",

"PS3 has no games",

"just wait (referring to AAAE),

" A bunch of AAE and AEtitles don't don't stand up the the AAAE titles the 360 has"

ect...And it was agreed that only AAAE'scount for putting one systems library over another in terms of quality here on SW.

But now I see xbox fans putting AAAE+AAE+AE in arguments to say it's library is better. So I'm asking, why the change to thinkg? I also see them saying x number of AAE+AE titles = better than 1 AAAE title. If that's the case can't we also asume that x number of B,C,D and F quality titles = better than 1 AAAE title? And if that's the case why was PS3's library considered garbage back in 07?

The switch up is very confusing, I just want fans to explain this reasoning to me.

Why are you singling out 360 fans? It's the cows that disregarding AA and A 360 games because their are more...

Why are you singling out 360 fans? It's the cows that disregarding AA and A 360 games because their are more...

MizFitAwesome

Read my post and try again.

Since when was it agreed that only AAAe games counted here on sw!?Duckyindiana

did you even read my initial post?

Well, cows just won't shut up about Uncharted (8.0 on Gamespot), so I don't see Lemmings quitting any soon either.

Of course all games count. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 lasted 1.5 years to get its first AAA title. Of course it has GOOD games since day one but considering PS3 was supposed to come and destroy the competition (everything wise), its lack of EXCELENT games was reason enough for fanboys to bash it.

*sigh*

Curse you champ, you took the words out of my mouth. >: /

Well said though. :P

Of course all games count. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 lasted 1.5 years to get its first AAA title. Of course it has GOOD games since day one but considering PS3 was supposed to come and destroy the competition (everything wise), its lack of EXCELENT games was reason enough for fanboys to bash it.

PAL360

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

The difference was at the time the PS3 wasn't winning in either category be it AAA, AA, A, or hell even Fs.... The 360 just had a good lead in all areas, the fact that the PS3 had ZERO AAA exclusives was a big reason why the AA,As didnt matter earlier because well whats a library if it doesn't have some Killer titles to oot. AAAes weren't the only counts added up since SW started. AAes have always mattered as well. If anything its the A's that are considered pointless..jg4xchamp

"PS3 has NO games"

Explain?

Some of my favorite games are AA. Fallout, System Shock 2, The Darkness, Metroid Prme 3...

And I've enjoyed A games too.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Of course all games count. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 lasted 1.5 years to get its first AAA title. Of course it has GOOD games since day one but considering PS3 was supposed to come and destroy the competition (everything wise), its lack of EXCELENT games was reason enough for fanboys to bash it.

playharderfool

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

Well, probably its just hypocrisy. as we all know here on System Wars there are no rules against it!

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]The difference was at the time the PS3 wasn't winning in either category be it AAA, AA, A, or hell even Fs.... The 360 just had a good lead in all areas, the fact that the PS3 had ZERO AAA exclusives was a big reason why the AA,As didnt matter earlier because well whats a library if it doesn't have some Killer titles to oot. AAAes weren't the only counts added up since SW started. AAes have always mattered as well. If anything its the A's that are considered pointless..playharderfool

"PS3 has NO games"

Explain?

Some of my favorite games are AA. Fallout, System Shock 2, The Darkness, Metroid Prme 3...

And I've enjoyed A games too.

Fried_Shrimp

indeed, as do I

but that dose not answer the question at had. I personlly do not share the feelings of the people who make these calims, but now these same people who made them are saying something diffrent and I'm trying to understand why the change.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Of course all games count. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 lasted 1.5 years to get its first AAA title. Of course it has GOOD games since day one but considering PS3 was supposed to come and destroy the competition (everything wise), its lack of EXCELENT games was reason enough for fanboys to bash it.

playharderfool

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Of course all games count. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 lasted 1.5 years to get its first AAA title. Of course it has GOOD games since day one but considering PS3 was supposed to come and destroy the competition (everything wise), its lack of EXCELENT games was reason enough for fanboys to bash it.

jg4xchamp

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

My converstion with you is over!

you seem to have become angry and are posting material that is off topic. I'm not here to get into a fanboy argument with you if you can't answer the question logically and respectfully then just leave this thread. I don't care about the hundred million other topics you are trying to bring into this, I'm talkng about 1 subject and you can't seem to follow.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

playharderfool

My converstion with you is over!

you seem to have become angry and are posting material that is off topic. I'm not here to get into a fanboy argument with you if you can't answer the question logically and respectfully then just leave this thread. I don't care about the hundred million other topics you are trying to bring into this, I'm talkng about 1 subject and you can't seem to follow.

As he gave you an answer with an example as bonus :P

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

playharderfool

My converstion with you is over!

you seem to have become angry and are posting material that is off topic. I'm not here to get into a fanboy argument with you if you can't answer the question logically and respectfully then just leave this thread. I don't care about the hundred million other topics you are trying to bring into this, I'm talkng about 1 subject and you can't seem to follow.

It's different for A, AA games. We don't mention B, C, D because those were clearly struggling to be good as it is. A games for e.g. are already good, but maybe because of something doesn't get the score it could have gotten but is still fun, AA games usually are almost as good as most AAA games.Next-Gen-Tec

What game is that in your sig?

This is a JUST vendetta TC, you have the full support of the Zaibach Empire

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]It's different for A, AA games. We don't mention B, C, D because those were clearly struggling to be good as it is. A games for e.g. are already good, but maybe because of something doesn't get the score it could have gotten but is still fun, AA games usually are almost as good as most AAA games.SpinoRaptor24

What game is that in your sig?

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]It's different for A, AA games. We don't mention B, C, D because those were clearly struggling to be good as it is. A games for e.g. are already good, but maybe because of something doesn't get the score it could have gotten but is still fun, AA games usually are almost as good as most AAA games.Next-Gen-Tec

What game is that in your sig?

Huh.

Looked like Modern Warfare 2 to me.

It's different for A, AA games. We don't mention B, C, D because those were clearly struggling to be good as it is. A games for e.g. are already good, but maybe because of something doesn't get the score it could have gotten but is still fun, AA games usually are almost as good as most AAA games.Next-Gen-Tec

But not for the time that I've referring to in 07. The whole of the the xbox fanbase called the PS3 libary (AA, A games) crap. Thus invented known comments such as:

"PS3 has no games"

"just wait"

"Blu-ray player"

What I'm seeing is rationalization for why the situation is way it is at this point in time, However it dosen't explain the change in rational for the people who were saying that only AAAE games make a system's library better than another one and why PS3's library was considered garbage back in 07 but somehow xbox fans think xbox360 has a great library this year and say it's better than PS3's because of x number of AA's and A's.

Also if xbox fans are now saying that x amount of AA and A = just asgood or better than 1 AAA it seems hypocritical to say that that logic dosen't extend to lesser games as well.

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

What game is that in your sig?

SpinoRaptor24

Huh.

Looked like Modern Warfare 2 to me.

360 had more AAA, AA, and A's back then either way. And still does.Next-Gen-Tec

No one argued AA, or A at that time and no one would agree that x number of AA's, A's B's C's D's F's make up to 1 AAA either. What I'm asking for is an explanation for the change in idealology not a run down of the stats sheet.

It seems none of you can explain the logic for the reason xbox fans have abandond the "only AAAE's ,make a system whorthy" montra.

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]360 had more AAA, AA, and A's back then either way. And still does.playharderfool

No one argued AA, or A at that time and no one would agree that x number of AA's, A's B's C's D's F's make up to 1 AAA either. What I'm asking for is an explanation for the change in idealology not a run down of the stats sheet.

It seems none of you can explain the logic for the reason xbox fans have abandond the "only AAAE's ,make a system whorthy" montra.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]360 had more AAA, AA, and A's back then either way. And still does.Next-Gen-Tec

No one argued AA, or A at that time and no one would agree that x number of AA's, A's B's C's D's F's make up to 1 AAA either. What I'm asking for is an explanation for the change in idealology not a run down of the stats sheet.

It seems none of you can explain the logic for the reason xbox fans have abandond the "only AAAE's ,make a system whorthy" montra.

ok thanks that makes sense.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Of course all games count. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 lasted 1.5 years to get its first AAA title. Of course it has GOOD games since day one but considering PS3 was supposed to come and destroy the competition (everything wise), its lack of EXCELENT games was reason enough for fanboys to bash it.

playharderfool

You see, that's just it, xbox fans said they WEREN'T good!!!

So that's why I'm askin why the change in thinking.Because so far noone has answered my question, only tried to rationalize the situation.

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

No one argued AA, or A at that time and no one would agree that x number of AA's, A's B's C's D's F's make up to 1 AAA either. What I'm asking for is an explanation for the change in idealology not a run down of the stats sheet.

It seems none of you can explain the logic for the reason xbox fans have abandond the "only AAAE's ,make a system whorthy" montra.

playharderfool

ok thanks that makes sense.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"] That's an easy explanation. SW is full of fanboys which change arguments to suit them. Back then PS3 had no/little AAAE's, it was quite easy to bash, now it has a few so people changed the argument to something else.heretrix

ok thanks that makes sense.

True, i said the exact same thing using different words like 20 posts above.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"] That's an easy explanation. SW is full of fanboys which change arguments to suit them. Back then PS3 had no/little AAAE's, it was quite easy to bash, now it has a few so people changed the argument to something else.heretrix

ok thanks that makes sense.

I was given no explanation. And just saying something that isn't relevant to what I'm asking isn't answing my question.

It seems you just want to see what you want to see, that's a personal issue.

AA games have always been considered good games. At the beginning of the gen PS3 didnt have as much of either. AE didnt really seem to matter until this year and while I do have games that are 7.0 that I really like, I dont think AE should be relevant.

PAL360

True, i said the exact same thing using different words like 20 posts above.

then that would mean that 20 posts ago you were just as wrong as you are now. I don't reply to eveyone but I do read what everyone has to say at least at first.

All that you did was rationalize the situation you or any of the other people in this thread never answered my question until the the individual I thanked who got back on topic and actually attempted to answer the question.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

ok thanks that makes sense.

playharderfool

I was given no explanation. And just saying something that isn't relevant to what I'm asking isn't answing my question.

It seems you just want to see what you want to see, that's a personal issue.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

ok thanks that makes sense.

playharderfool

I was given no explanation. And just saying something that isn't relevant to what I'm asking isn't answing my question.

It seems you just want to see what you want to see, that's a personal issue.

Yes you were, the thing that wasn't revlevant to what you were asking was showing that fanboys are hypocrites, because it would be pointless to use the exampe of Lems (360 fanboys)and there changing views on AAE and AE games, the poster used the exampe of cows(PS3 fanboys)and the PS3 reviews on Gamespot.

Also not all 360 fans said the PS3 had no games, only the fanboys said that,

please heretrix you never answered my question so please stop taking up valuble space by continuing to post that you have. I read your posts and in the end all you did was criticize me when I thanked the first personwho actually gave a logical valid answer to my question.

I gave adaquate information to back up the view point of xbox fans were saying at thetime (all based around AAAE titles)and now it is diffrent. I simply asked why the change. I didn't ask for any excuses or justification...simple explanation.

if it's fair to say that you don't have anything else to add to this topic then by all means...please don't.

please heretrix you never answered my question so please stop taking up valuble space by continuing to post that you have. I read your posts and in the end all you did was creticize me when I thanked the first person to actually gave a logical valid answer to my question.

I gave adaquate information to back up the view point of xbox fans were going onat that time and now it is diffrent. I simply asked why the change. I didn't ask for any excuses or justification...simple explanation.

if it's fair to say that you don't have anything else to add to this topic then by all means...please don't.

playharderfool

You've been answered enough times already:

- Because the PS3 didn't have AAAe's, so that was the main argument against it.

- Because fanboys will try to use any possible argument to bash other consoles.

- Because that's the nature of this place.

I don't think that's something difficult tounderstand.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

please heretrix you never answered my question so please stop taking up valuble space by continuing to post that you have. I read your posts and in the end all you did was creticize me when I thanked the first person to actually gave a logical valid answer to my question.

I gave adaquate information to back up the view point of xbox fans were going onat that time and now it is diffrent. I simply asked why the change. I didn't ask for any excuses or justification...simple explanation.

if it's fair to say that you don't have anything else to add to this topic then by all means...please don't.

IronBass

You've been answered enough times already:

- Because the PS3 didn't have AAAe's, so that was the main argument against it.

- Because fanboys will try to use any possible argument to bash other consoles.

- Because that's the nature of this place.

I don't think that's something difficult tounderstand.

Ok I got that.

did you not see where I thanked the individual on the other page?

these other posts are addressed to thepeople criticising me for not taking their rationalizations and justifications as valid explanations for my original question. I'm simply explaining to them that it's not the same. I understand and thank

please heretrix you never answered my question so please stop taking up valuble space by continuing to post that you have. I read your posts and in the end all you did was creticize me when I thanked the first person to actually gave a logical valid answer to my question.

I gave adaquate information to back up the view point of xbox fans were going onat that time and now it is diffrent. I simply asked why the change. I didn't ask for any excuses or justification...simple explanation.

if it's fair to say that you don't have anything else to add to this topic then by all means...please don't.

playharderfool

When the 360 first came out Sony fanboys mercilessly bashed it as a failure saying that when the PS3 launch it would demolish it. Following me here? Ok.

At a 500 dollar entry point, the titles available for the PS3 were not worth the cost of admission hence "no games" but of course, butthurt fanboys took this literally. AA games have always mattered, it's just that with all of the ridiculous boasting prior to the PS3 launch and their failure to produce (AT THAT TIME) almost no titles worthy of such a price point, It made AA games meaningless on the system because of what the system was supposed to be. Fortunately, this isn't an issue anymore.

Why wouldn't you put AAE or AE? They are still considered really good games. I have played AA games that are better than the AAA rated ones. Mass Effect was one. Anyone who only plays AAA games is missing alot of quality titles.

Why wouldn't you put AAE or AE? They are still considered really good games. I have played AA games that are better than the AAA rated ones. Mass Effect was one. Anyone who only plays AAA games is missing alot of quality titles.

pilotc

Shoot, I've even played B games that I enjoyed more than a lot of AAA games (I'm looking at you, Mario Kart 64).