SJW ruined Battlefield 5? AngryJoe in trouble for defending women

None of those games are based on War Times that MAINLY White Men fought and died for thier countries. anyone percieving this debate as "lol woman" are purposlely mis-representing the arguement, this is about WW1/WW2... not modern/sci fi.

Sorry I forget its now "insensitive" when you highlight something primarily white men achieved.

Also, you are insane if you think there isn't heavy media bias on both the left and right.... its rotten to the very core either way. The sensible middle is lost in the rhetoric.

Have you even watched The Last Jedi and actually paid attention to the plot? It's complete trash and I could go into a very long winded analysis of it but this isn't the place to do so. The Force awakens was bad enough with a plot line of a little lost girl suddenly able to stand against a Sith lord who shared a blood line with and was trained his entire life by one of the strongest Jedi for a thousand years or more because "reasons". TLJ was beyond abysmal and made a mockery of everything that made Star wars great.

Solo paid the price for that, it's really that simple whether you choose to believe it or not. Make a bad film in a series and people will not turn out to watch the next one in case that's complete trash as well. I know I didn't go and see Solo because I was not willing to spend close to £100 to take my family to the cinema and I won't be doing it for episode 9 either.

Mate...

Get Meerkat 2 for 1 for gods sake :P

Here's a thought. Why aren't there videogames about manufacturing all the guns, bullets, boats, shells, airplanes, tanks, and bombs used in these wars? It's easy for guys like you to swing your balls around in these discussions but you think in highly reductive terms of not only women's accomplishments on the battlefield but completely dismiss their efforts outside the theatre of war despite their absolute necessity. Maybe Rosie the effing Riveter wants to take off her bra and splatter some Nazi brains in a game-o-Battleduty. . . But YOU, Mister, want your goddamn reality in your infinite bulletsponge entertainment festival. How's that for "being sensible"?

We had nearly a decade's worth of WW2 semi-accurate games in the last 2 generations. Tens, if not hundreds of titles.

I don't think it will twist your nuts off if they make one that isn't the same thing.

@texasgoldrush: Nothing I said was false and you didn't even refute it.

Lol I have to laugh at your quote as well.

"Overwatch went broke? Life is Strange? Last of Us? Subnautica? Horizon Zero Dawn?"

Overwatch is a multiplayer game with virtually no story. It has robotic hamsters in it for **** sake.

Life is Strange is s low budget indie title. It didn't need to sell much to be successful.

The first "Last of US" had a bad as lead that most people loved. I'll bet the second one doesn't sell as well.

Subnautica- never heard of the game so i wont comment.

Horizon Zero Dawn sold well because of great graphics and robot dinosaurs. It would have sold better with male lead. The fact God of War has probably already surpassed its sales in a mere 3 months proves my point.

How the shit is this still open? lol.

So you were upset about the blacks in BF1 too then, right?

Except it won't be one. its now both main-line franchises... and once its done, that's it, you can't take it back.

You already know this though.

If you want a "World War 2 - Homefront Support Simulator 2018" then by all means, grab a group of people, fund it, and get it sorted, more power to you.

The rest is just weird, the gameplay-loops specifically revolve around the actual battles for OBVIOUS reasons, yea by all means, somehow incorperate outter-battlefield animations/moments which would fit your criteria, but for moment to moment, its clearly out of the scope of what actually happened (99.9% of the time.. gotta have that disclaimer before I get replies desperately grasping)

But this isn't limited to WW2 either.... it opens the floodgates to "f*ck what it was really like, we are going full Disney" to get a slight increase in sales or allow people who think they are more intelligent/virtous to smell thier own farts without caring about fact vs emotion.

Once that floodgate is open, and its the new "norm" you won't see authentic mainstream ones anymore, these companies will be too afraid to p*ss of the 3rd wave fem crowd.. and men that blindly defend it without thinking... for them browny points.

While I wouldn't say TLJ was the worst Star Wars film, it was really bad writing, bad locations in the middle of the film and Rian Johnson direction took it too far. Solo release on a bad month due to Avengers: Infinity War hype was still going and Solo itself, everyone knew this was just a spin-off that nobody ask for and that film was skippable. I'll still go see Episode 9 but after that, I'm totally done with Star Wars.

Star Wars fans are the worst... "A mockery of everything that made Star Wars great" Lucas's scripts were laughable at best and the plot got worse with each entry. Lets not act like the original or prequel trilogies were some sort of fine art.

That's a trick question... surely...

@blackhairedhero: Your idiocy is astounding.

Overwatch is hugely left leaning and goes fully multicultural in its character design.

Life is Strange sold a lot more than just enough to be successful and is now SquareEnix's hottest IP on social media.

Ellie is the star of the show in Last of Us and her DLC is highly regarded. Went woke, didn;t go broke.

Subnautica sold millions of copies with developers with left wing views.

The notion of "get woke, go broke" has not only been proven wrong, its moronic.

@texasgoldrush: My idiocy? You're a bufoon.

Yes OW is far left leaning. It doesn't matter much though for a game that's MP only and more popular in Asia. Its player count has dwindled significantly but has stayed relevant mostly due to Esports.

Hottest IP on social media? Lmao what? It pales in comparison to there other IPs in sales what are you blabbering about? Also nobody is complaining about female lead roles in games like that. It sold 3 million copies WW. That's peanuts for a big budget action game. But for a low budget indie title yes its successful.

No shes not. You play 95% of the game as Joel and the DLC sold nowhere near the main game. Will see how the sequel does where Ellie is the lead.

Lol no it hasn't. SW flopped, BF5 is flopping. UC lost legacy sold less then a 5th as much as UC4. I could go on and on. Like how UC 4 despite being exclusive to one platform outsold any of the new Tomb Raiders. It's ok to include women in games but when it becomes a leftwing power fantasy fans pick up on that.

@blackhairedhero: Moving the goalposts are we? Face facts here, the games I listed were wildly successful both in sales and gamer acclaim, and feature left of center concepts or views. You want to wiggle your way out of clear fact to support your wrong argument.

Second Left Behind and Lost Legacy are expansions (with the latter being standalone), of course they will sell less copies. Has nothing to do with women being in the lead. Once again, Ellie is more popular than Joel. Main character =/= popularity.

@kali-b1rd: Entertain this idea with me, but its possible that there are scenarios in BFV that entirely incorporate women in a historically accurate context. I may be giving Dice too much credit here, but a lot of European resistance fighters and saboteurs just happened to be women. In a very real sense, women would be your "special forces" even on the western front.

See, your head is already in full spin mode, but if I were a scenario planner for the campaign, I'd make you look stupid as all hell. It's kinda okay to keep an open mind. Hell, your contingent sounds a whole freaking lot like your the ones who need some historic accuracy while wagging your finger.

The irony...

@texasgoldrush: How am I moving the goal post? I named examples of flops because in that case the progressive views hurt the game. Again there is a right and wrong way to do it. When gamers see needless pandering and the developers tell them to screw themselves it generally doesn't work well.

And no I don't think Ellie is more popular then Joel. With the left wing gaming media absolutely. But I wouldn't be surprised if Tlou 2 lags behind other high end Sony exclusives in sales.

Or how about they were flops because they simply put, weren't good games? They had other problems than "progressive views"

While its a self selection poll, here is a poll that shows that Ellie is far more popular than Joel.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/652686-the-last-of-us/66508793

Its not the media, its gamers. That is why Ellie is the main in TLOU 2. She is the franchise's true main character. Joel is just supporting protagonist.

You know the funny thing about "drama" is that it doesn't actually exist unless you make a big deal over something stupid.

So just stop, for christ's sake.

Pretty much have to agree with all this.

@SecretPolice said:

@phbz:

All SJW are Pansies. :D

Also, just remember... if I don't get mah rent money today, somebody's gonna get their salad tossed tonight. lol :P

@texasgoldrush: Joel was the main character in TlOU 1 this isn't debatable. And your using a poll of 300 people to justify that claim? Really?

So let me ask you this. How do you think the new Wolfenstein is going to do? With the twin daughters. Or the new Gears of War?

Really glad most of Sw isnt on the incel train. We get it SJWs are annoyin but people act like they are this big force in gaming, get over it you right wing man children

Honestly I thought fire emblem saved all of his badly written alt right rants for the political boards

@mrbojangles25 said:

You know the funny thing about "drama" is that it doesn't actually exist unless you make a big deal over something stupid.

So just stop, for christ's sake.

@Jacanuk said:

Who the frag cares? BF5 pre-orders are down because the game is nothing new and just the more of the same old.

Not because of a few videos showed on E3 with women.

Pretty much have to agree with all this.

@SecretPolice said:

@phbz:

All SJW are Pansies. :D

Also, just remember... if I don't get mah rent money today, somebody's gonna get their salad tossed tonight. lol :P

:P

Angry Joe upsets his fans... Again Angry Joe again? Jeez Joe I thought this was settled, you were going to review 10 games a day, workout alot so you can fit into your old jackets that aren't 5XL and stop defending SJW's who are obviously nuts. But again Joe! AGAIN!

@Mercenary848: if you're gonna talk crap about me, say it in my face via PM, if you're gonna start shit here, I'll get a mod to take care of this!

I didn't ask nor do I care about your opinion of the last Jedi. Again, no proof that the solo box office was directly related to a loud vocal minority who couldn't take that someone made a film they didn't like.

Dude, fiction games based on non-fiction wars is serious business. How else are these little kids supposed to feel like manly grown up men? Blacks and womens on the cover kills their boner.

99% of games are fine, and plenty are inclusive and don't upset anyone. It's when you mess with an established white/male franchise that the little kids start to have tantrums. Truly this is the age of trump.

lol, you read like indzman.

@Bread_or_Decide: You hit the nail on the head. I post in OT and political gamers 90% of the time. I usually come here when I get my fill of the trump lovers and conservative loons nonsense, but now I can see it’s still in the form of game politics.

I thought these sjw threads ended on sw once gamer gate was over

@FireEmblem_Man: Triggered little incel man child.

@kali-b1rd:What can I say? My kids love Odeon nachos

@davillain-: I'm not willing to give them my money on the off chance that it turns out good but right now that's incredibly unlikely.

@goldenelementxl: The Force Awakens and, even more so, The Last Jedi make the Phantom Menace look like a masterpiece in cinematography. I rather watch a movie about the life and times of Jar Jar Binks than pay to sit through any more of Kathleen Kennedy's vision of the Star wars universe.

Twitter sjw's are gaming cancer.

Are you seriously defending a regime that killed more of it's own population than even the Nazis in their prime could manage, for being "less evil"? Wow learn your history mate.

It's estimated that Stalin's regime lovingly killed up to 60 million fellow equals, in comparison the Nazis only manged to knock off a paltry ~16.5 million in total. So if you ever plan on genocide get some help from a peace loving, equality embracing, flower hugging socialist extremist, Fascists (or should that be Socialist Democrats) aren't very good at it.

Please show just one example of a pure socialist utopia where all and sundry are completely equal. Russia (under Lenin)? USSR? Cuba? China? Venezuela? Vietnam? or maybe North Korea? Take your pick none of them have ever been the paradise that the people imagined. If you want to understand what happens in a socialist republic just read Animal Farm. It ever so eloquently demonstrates what happens when some inevitably become more equal than others.

I'm far from Indzman, I don't go calling people the "P" word

Like name calling eh? That's what man-children like to do

Honestly I dont think BF5 is progressive enough, should have been a a handicapped black trans midget. Dice are facists that rely on stereotypical gender roles. And why is she skinny? We need more fat chicks in our ww2 games.

Guys i really cant even with the patriarchy...

@GarGx1: You completely ignored everything I have said. And how was I defending communist regime? Look at my post again.

Did Stalin kill because communism is bad, or did he kill because of trying to hold onto his power? In fact, after Stalin died, there was a huge De-stalinifciation effort in the Soviet Union, and successive regimes were far less deadly (and even horrified by Mao and Pol Pot), so it wasn't the communism. Nazism on the other hand, is inherently evil, and their killings come from ideology, like the Holocaust. That is the difference. Communism is flawed, even hypocritical, but its not inherently evil. Fascism, Nazism, and apartheid regimes are, because their ideology in itself is morally disgraceful.

What a climate we are in today where you can't say a single thing about any topic that could be the slightest bit sensitive (which is pretty much every topic) and not avoid the wrath of thousands of people.

Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev were all dictators ruling an oppressive and dictatorial regime and it wasn't until Gorbachev came along and he realised the USSR was broke and had lost the cold war then the "party" lost most of its' power. Putin would bring it all back in an instant if he had the money to do it but Russia has an economy of comparable size to Italy and for that we should be thankful..

I have no idea where you're from but I was in Berlin when the wall came down (it coincided with the start of the my time in the British army) and you will never meet people so unbelievably happy to be free of the communists that had ruled over the East Germans and the rest of the Warsaw pact with an iron fist since the end of the WW2. The tales of cruelty some of these people lived through will stay with me until my dying day.

Communism is nothing but the opposite side of the same coin as fascism and I can assure you, you would not want to live under a communist regime. Give me capitalism any day, I may never be rich enough to own a Yacht or a gold plated Ferrari but at least I get paid a decent wage and can give my family a decent life. That is something most of us would never aspire to under any kind of extremist rule be it communist, fascist or monarchic.

By the way if we lived under communist rule, we would not be having this conversation and most likely would be, at the very least, imprisoned and more likely executed for doing so.

@GarGx1: That is a great story, and glad you're in a free nation! Keep at it!

Your right, I reckon they should include bunch of female and black nazi's for inclusions sake.

There were female nazis.

There were Black German soldiers.

Stop just posting words, post substance.

who gives a ****?

No I mean in the new Battlefield, they should probably make them main characters and on the cover.

@GarGx1: You missed the point entirely and argued a point I did not make.

Did I ever say that communism is awesome and ideal? That I would like to live under a communist regime? No, I did not. Read my posts again. I actually also said that communist regimes of the 20th Century had socially conservative features and have mentioned their oppression of gays as well as their patriarchal structure.

What I have said is that by nature, communism isn't inherently evil because in itself isn't oppressive, oppression is used to try and achieve it while right wing extremist governments have oppression as their ideology. In fact, communists were elected in Nepal by the people (with a left wing social democratic opposition) and participate in the democratic system.

They are not two sides of the same coin. Both are far from ideal, but one is certainly far worse than the other because one is always evil.

Sorry, I'm BF/SJW/alt-righted out for today. :( I just wanted to say that hopefully the takeaway for EA after Battlefront 2, and now this, is that kids can get Fortnite for free these days, and that they should stop blaming their remaining customers and start working out how to make them pew-pew re-skins more appealing, or better yet, stop making them altogether!

@jereb31: Oh I apologize. Sorry man, in these kind of threads it’s hard to know if people are being serious or sarcastic

Np, I'm generally sarcastic 90% of the time.

@jereb31: why does that make you so mad?