Smach Z (Handheld PC) Specs Finalized - Ryzen V1605B [UPDATE: Pricing Announced]

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#51 Techhog89
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@pyro1245 said:
@jaydan said:

I don't think it's that Nintendo is unstoppable in the handheld market, it's just that to this day companies don't know how to compete with their success. With a price tag like that, you're better off just getting a PC. We already learned this one before that the more expensive handheld bares no competition to the Nintendo handheld.

All we know for sure is that the Switch is no longer the best handheld to play BotW on.

If you pirate a current-gen game that you don't own, you're a piece of shit.

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#52 jaydan
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@pyro1245: "Finally, a handheld for those with discerning tastes."

LOL, if shit-posting is all for tooting your pride and ego, good for you.

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#53 pyro1245
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@techhog89 said:
@pyro1245 said:
@jaydan said:

I don't think it's that Nintendo is unstoppable in the handheld market, it's just that to this day companies don't know how to compete with their success. With a price tag like that, you're better off just getting a PC. We already learned this one before that the more expensive handheld bares no competition to the Nintendo handheld.

All we know for sure is that the Switch is no longer the best handheld to play BotW on.

If you pirate a current-gen game that you don't own, you're a piece of shit.

I can agree with that. Although the WiiU was technically last gen so your post is kind of off-topic.

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#54 Techhog89
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@pyro1245 said:
@techhog89 said:
@pyro1245 said:
@jaydan said:

I don't think it's that Nintendo is unstoppable in the handheld market, it's just that to this day companies don't know how to compete with their success. With a price tag like that, you're better off just getting a PC. We already learned this one before that the more expensive handheld bares no competition to the Nintendo handheld.

All we know for sure is that the Switch is no longer the best handheld to play BotW on.

If you pirate a current-gen game that you don't own, you're a piece of shit.

I can agree with that. Although the WiiU was technically last gen so your post is kind of off-topic.

Even one gen old is pushing it, but it's still current-gen even though it's been replaced.

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#55 mrbojangles25
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Always nice to see innovation, but all I have to say is "meh".

I Don't need or want mobile gaming, if I am out and about I am usually doing something. I'll take my big hulking ugly desktop from here until forever.

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#56  Edited By jaydan
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@pyro1245:

@techhog89 said:
@pyro1245 said:
@techhog89 said:
@pyro1245 said:

All we know for sure is that the Switch is no longer the best handheld to play BotW on.

If you pirate a current-gen game that you don't own, you're a piece of shit.

I can agree with that. Although the WiiU was technically last gen so your post is kind of off-topic.

Even one gen old is pushing it, but it's still current-gen even though it's been replaced.

He's just a dumb shit-poster inflating his pompous ego.

All I gotta say to @pyro1245 is let me know how the Smach Z is and how well BotW runs on it when you buy it, since your discerning tastes are so prime. :)

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#57 pyro1245
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@jaydan: I'm considering it. It's only $490....

...but I gotta say: Pompous ego aside, I'm actually quite an intelligent person. One who just like to mess with fools that get a little too defensive of companies like Nintendo, Sony, MS, etc...

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#58  Edited By jaydan
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@pyro1245 said:

@jaydan: I'm considering it. It's only $490....

...but I gotta say: Pompous ego aside, I'm actually quite an intelligent person. One who just like to mess with fools that get a little too defensive of companies like Nintendo, Sony, MS, etc...

You having a pompous ego has nothing to do with your intellectual capabilities. Once again you are going off on defending your pride trying to clarify your intelligence which no one here cares about to begin with.

I don't give a shit if you don't like Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft. What's hilarious is how bad your shit-posting is. You're clearly in the defensive now.

What's next, do you go to Harvard University?

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#59  Edited By pyro1245
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@jaydan: I dunno... I'd say my shit-posting worked pretty well on you.

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#60  Edited By jaydan
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@pyro1245 said:

@jaydan: I dunno... I'd say my shit-posting worked pretty well on you.

If your shit-posting is making a dumbass out of you, you succeeded. Oops, I'm sorry...you're intelligent, not a dumbass.

Next time you decide trash on a company while clarifying your "discerning tastes," make sure you don't express your desire on playing a pirated version of a game from that same company. It's rather ironic to condescend a company yet you'd play one of their games anyways.

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#61 pyro1245
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@jaydan: So it's blind accusations and name-calling now, is it? Maybe it's time you take a break from posting. You're clearly upset and we're way off-topic.

I'll let you know how the Smach Z is if I decide to get one.

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#62  Edited By ronvalencia
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@crimson_v said:

According to this it would have a better cpu then the PS4pro and Xbox1x, which is definitely possible (looking at AMD's TDP numbers) but don't pre order because there has been some suspicious activity around this project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00I_3THLBQ&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMUPx4DL5Vo

Only buy it when its released and independent reviews are out!

TC's post shows mobile Ryzen based SoC + PCB prototype. The problem with StopDrop&Retro's argument is this fool didn't factor in AMD was in the middle in changing it's 28 nm Carrizo APU into 14 nm Raven Ridge APU.

There's very little point with shipping final products based on old Carrizo APU when imminent mobile Raven Ridge APU's release.

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#63  Edited By ronvalencia
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@jaydan said:
@pyro1245 said:
@jaydan said:

I don't think it's that Nintendo is unstoppable in the handheld market, it's just that to this day companies don't know how to compete with their success. With a price tag like that, you're better off just getting a PC. We already learned this one before that the more expensive handheld bares no competition to the Nintendo handheld.

All we know for sure is that the Switch is no longer the best handheld to play BotW on.

Even if you tried harder at shit-posting, you'd be incorrect. Smach Z isn't even out, and that negates your implication of the allusion that there's present-tense handheld that plays BotW better.

Smach Z's hardware is already out .... it's just ultra mobile Raven Ridge SoC with dual SO-DIMMs for dual memory channel setup. Smach Z's difference is handheld form factor difference instead of ultrabook or laptop form factors.

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#64  Edited By Paradocs
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@Pedro said:

Emulation on the go.

Pretty much the only reason I'd be interested in one.. I think the hardware would run it's course too soon with new games to justify it's starting price.. luckily I was too broke to buy a Nvidia Shield when it came out, that's something I would've regretted. lol

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#65 ronvalencia
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@NVIDIATI said:

UPDATE - Pricing announced:

@EducatingU_PCMR said:

I'll believe it when I see it. This is too ambitious for a no name company. The guys don't even dare showing their faces, which pretty much tells you about their confidence in the project.

In the meantime I'll assume it's a scam.

It was just being shown off at Embedded World 2018:

It's clearly a work in progress, but they did have populated boards on display:

Alternative view...

I wonder SoC board can be replaced with 12 nm Raven Ridge follow-on product...

First PCB = SOC + memory

Second PCB = Input/Output

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#66 FireEmblem_Man
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Lol, overpriced

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#67 Juub1990
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490$ lol. Nobody’s gonna buy this.

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#68 Crimson_V
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@ronvalencia:

His complaints were:

They faked the prototype for kickstarter (which is a big no-no and why it got pulled once) they used a lynx tablet, rhomb.io comments after the split, then they lied on the AMA and admitted that their prototype was fake.

It's really shady, don't pre-order.

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#69 Medallish
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Need to clear up some misinformation.
Two things first.
1. I'm a backer, since the beginning.
2. I'm not here to tell you to pre-order, you should wait until they have something to show, so whatever I say, don't take it as "pls buy this"

While there was two campaigns, they were never pulled, the first one was cancelled by the team when it was clear they weren't going to reach their goal, so they took it down to find a sponsor to lower the goal.
The so called "fake" prototype never was a fake, the only thing that turned out to be untrue about the prototype was the use of Rhomb.io's clickarm technology, when it was very clearly a lynx tablet, Rhomb.io to this day denies this, showing just how trustworthy they turned out to be. The good news is Rhomb.io was thrown out of the project, which lead to two things, the long delay of the project, and fortunate fact that they went with an updated SoC, so instead of the bulldozer based Carrizo SoC, we should be getting the very nice Ryzen based SoC, this happened because AMD showed an interest in the project, and contacted the team directly.

Now you might say; But the prototype used Atom, and not the Carrizo SoC it was supposed to?
Indeed, however this was never hidden, this was explained as it was shown, and further explained that it was streaming from a dev-board using a Carrizo SoC similar to what they were going for.
So you might say that it's not a proper prototype, personally I'm not bothered about the words used being misused as long as they are clear about what they're presenting, if you read some of their updates you'd quickly sense that these are not native English speaking people.

So where are we today?
The latest update from a few days ago is that they had issues getting the board to boot, but finally achieved boot, and was even able to have the actual device play GTA V, you see since they split with Rhomb.io they hired people from a local(to them) company called ontesting, and by the looks of things, this is ontesting's first major project, and it's a complicated processor, so getting everything to work took time, you can certainly question that decision, especially with the time it took, but as they say, hindsight is 20-20.
The september deadline is looking kind of unlikely, not completely impossible, but everything would have to go very right from now on, and while the biggest hurdle has been dealt with, I still doubt they'll make it, that being said, I fully expect we'll see a proper working prototype with the final SoC, and close to final PCB running by the end of June or beginning of August, and this comes from someone who's been down on the project a lot.

Nothing I've said here is wrong, some of it is opinion, I grant that, but I don't think it's naive, like them using prototype in place of mock-up or proof of concept.

Is it a scam?
No, I realize some people will twist and turn to make it fit a definition of a scam, but generally a scam doesn't keep you updated, work with high-profile companies, like AMD, and by the looks of it, deliver the product they promised, that's at least not my definition of a scam, ofc. we need to wait and see about that last part.

Finally, just to reiterate, I DON'T RECOMMEND YOU PRE-ORDER THIS, I recommend that if you're interested in this project, you wait, check out the forum over at www.smachz.com and/or their discord, most updates are restricted to backers, but you'll definitely hear about it when it's ready.

P.s. if you wonder why I'm posting, I clearly created this account just to post this long reply, well I think PC-gaming needs a proper handheld, and I don't like the misinformation campaign that's been going on, but as I'm not a paid shill, I'm not here blindly telling you to buy it.

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#70 Gaming-Planet
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Jesus, that price.

I'll just stick to PC.

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#71  Edited By Medallish
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@Gaming-Planet said:

Jesus, that price.

I'll just stick to PC.

It would be kind of silly to buy a handheld if what you're looking for is a desktop. Btw. the price is comparable to other portables, like the GPD Win. But if your portable needs are fulfilled by a laptop, then go for the laptop.

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#72 Ant_17
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Wow, looks stupid and overpriced.

PASS.

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#73 sovkhan
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Linux based os is a plus, now we need to figure out the price and battery life ^^

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@medallish: i really do hope they deliver. i love the idea of it and i think its implementation of a proper handheld gaming PC, on paper at least, is far suprior to other devices. its just the execution that i need to wait and see on.

i was going to back it. had made the pledge and everything. but then i pulled out. i didnt, and still dont, think its a scam but i thought the chance of failure was very very high due to the teams lack of experience.

but i have money sitting and waiting for it. i really really do hope they deliver an excellent handheld gaming PC. it could be yet another great way to play PC games and the selection of games the PC has that would be suitable for a handheld is massive.

the one big upside of the delays is the new SOC. that 1605B is very nice, though i suspect i will underclock the CPU on mine if i get it to save on power and heat.

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#75 thereal25
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At first I thought, that looks interesting. But then I thought, what's the point?

I doubt it'll be able to play the more demanding modern titles for starters.

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Any benchmark? would be a great console to play emulated games. Seems pretty good options for emulating ps3, wii and others on the go.

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Did anyone know that this three-month old thread has been bumped?

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#78 thereal25
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@onesiphorus said:

Did anyone know that this three-month old thread has been bumped?

Just noticed. And when I checked their website it seems that their current gaming benchmarks are worse than what they were earlier.

Also it says something about the final products being weaker than the benchmarking unit!!!

I'll pass lol.

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#79 Medallish
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@osan0 said:

@medallish: i really do hope they deliver. i love the idea of it and i think its implementation of a proper handheld gaming PC, on paper at least, is far suprior to other devices. its just the execution that i need to wait and see on.

i was going to back it. had made the pledge and everything. but then i pulled out. i didnt, and still dont, think its a scam but i thought the chance of failure was very very high due to the teams lack of experience.

but i have money sitting and waiting for it. i really really do hope they deliver an excellent handheld gaming PC. it could be yet another great way to play PC games and the selection of games the PC has that would be suitable for a handheld is massive.

the one big upside of the delays is the new SOC. that 1605B is very nice, though i suspect i will underclock the CPU on mine if i get it to save on power and heat.

Well trust me when I say, nobody hopes more than me!

But yes, was I asked to back a similar project today from an inexperienced team making a few too many promises, I doubt I would have done so, that's also why I want to avoid making it seem like I'm recommending a preorder, you shouldn't unless you really trust the people behind the project, like if they have a great track record, what ended up convincing me was that I felt like the team was showing will enough to see the project through, even though I might turn out to be right, it's a hell of a gamble, and I think it was a mistake to base it on that, as I really couldn't have known.

Well I hope you manage to spend your money soon, I'll try and remember to share my experience on this forum whenever I receive my device, and it will be honest, because I'm not paid by either the team, or anyone involved.

The CPU is going to be really interesting, I'm still not entirely sure what to expect in regards to heat and cooling, 15W shouldn't be hard to cool, but they don't have much space, so we'll see, though I am sure it's better than it would have been with Carrizo. Hopefully cTDP will be enabled in the bios as the APU should have a slightly lower 12W mode.

@sakaixx said:

Any benchmark? would be a great console to play emulated games. Seems pretty good options for emulating ps3, wii and others on the go.

There are some, but the issue can be kind of complicated, the processor is essentially the same as the Ryzen 5 2500U These benchmarks should give you a decent idea of what to expect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dny2MnjfE&list=PL_sfYUCEg8Og7gviQyd2xUubHiBi_Pqey As for emulation, I think PS3 might be a tall order, though I have no experience with it. But you should be able to run Dolphin on it.


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@onesiphorus said:

Did anyone know that this three-month old thread has been bumped?

Just noticed. And when I checked their website it seems that their current gaming benchmarks are worse than what they were earlier.

Also it says something about the final products being weaker than the benchmarking unit!!!

I'll pass lol.

Not entirely sure what you're refering to tbh.

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@davillain- said:

Cool idea, horrible name, extremely limited market. I don't see myself buying it though and the only reason I own a Switch and now Vita, were for exclusive games.

4 Months later. My statement still stands.

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#81 xantufrog  Moderator
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Please don't bump old threads