SMG not the greatest game of all time?

First off, Game Rankings does not indicate the greatest game ever, merely the highest rated games.
And second of all, there can not be a greatest game of all time. Why? Because there can not be a best game, a better console, or any of the like.

The only thing we can agree on, are facts. "Greatest" is opinion based, and therefore not fact. The only things that is factual regarding preference, are pros and cons, and even those can sometimes be traced down to your favorite genre of games, and even type of game making.

Now before you go all crazy about how there are absolutely no cons regarding SMG, know that although pros and cons never change, people's outtake on them is extremely varied. Therefore, why continue this pointless debating. I know it is the nature of system wars, but can't we ever discuss why we like or don't like games? Use logic instead of moral substitution?

Discuss. Or don't.

System Wars doesn't know 'logic'.
I don't think it's the greatest game ever, not at all.
But it's very, very good and most important; very fun.

Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

sexy_chimp

Gamerankings is simply the reviewers opinions, not law.

System Wars doesn't know 'logic'.
I don't think it's the greatest game ever, not at all.
But it's very, very good and most important; very fun.

System Wars doesn't know 'logic'.
I don't think it's the greatest game ever, not at all.

System Wars doesn't know 'logic'.

System Wars

Sgt_Crow

Thats all there is to it. This is System Wars.

gamerankings says different!FlawlessSeasons

You just proved his point :) Gamerankings/Meta is a list of opinions.

Highest rated game of all time is different than best game of all time.

Highest rated is a fact.

Best game of all time is an opinion.

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Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

greenpyro33

Gamerankings is simply the reviewers opinions, not law.

Yeah, but we need something to determine what the "best game of all time" is, and Gamerankings is the closest thing possible.

Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

sexy_chimp

first of all, how the hell you can tell me OoT is the second best game ever when it only has 29 reviews?

Gamerankings is a compilation of reviews, not a indicate of which games are better, unless the gap is really big percentage wise.

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Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

JPOBS

first of all, how the hell you can tell me OoT is the second best game ever when it only has 29 reviews?

Gamerankings is a compilation of reviews, not a indicate of which games are better, unless the gap is really big percentage wise.

Okay, but we need something to determine what the best games are. Obviously there are flaws but its the closest thing possible.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

sexy_chimp

first of all, how the hell you can tell me OoT is the second best game ever when it only has 29 reviews?

Gamerankings is a compilation of reviews, not a indicate of which games are better, unless the gap is really big percentage wise.

Okay, but we need something to determine what the best games are. Obviously there are flaws but its the closest thing possible.

It's the last word in online critical concensus, imo. What is says, goes.Zenfoldor

That's why I've never said "greatest game ever" merely the "highest rated game this gen" or "highest rated game in recent memory."

It's still quite a feat and something to be applauded.

Well as far as I'm concerned the best game ever is Metroid Prime: Echoes.

Discuss. Or don't.

awsss

i won't.

gamerankings says different!FlawlessSeasons

you didn't read did you?

Opinion is fact..

If the majority agree on one thing, then it is a fact.. simple as that..

If the majority of people say the earth is flat then it is flat. Fact doesn't have too be true, only something the majority think is true.

Highest rated game of all time is different than best game of all time.

Highest rated is a fact.

Best game of all time is an opinion.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="greenpyro33"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

sexy_chimp

Gamerankings is simply the reviewers opinions, not law.

Yeah, but we need something to determine what the "best game of all time" is, and Gamerankings is the closest thing possible.

here is my refute: Final Fantasy 7 is considered by many people to be the best game ever. It won the game contest on Gamefaqs. It has a 92.4% on gamerankings.

and another reason why this "gamerankings says galaxy is da best so it factz are factz" is rediculous is because gamerankings doesnt even pre-date the N64 error.

I mean, how bad at logic do you have to be to make a statement like "GR says Galaxy is the best games ever" when GR itself excludes the entire first have of gaming history :S

Opinion is fact..

If the majority agree on one thing, then it is a fact.. simple as that..

If the majority of people say the earth is flat then it is flat. Fact doesn't have too be true, only something the majority think is true.

omgimba

I think what you mean is "A lie repeated enough times becomes truth."

There can't be a better console? How is that?

I guess there can not be the better computer either.

Fogical Lailure.

As for titles with Super Mario Galaxy, I probably call it "Most Critically Acclaimed Of Its Genre". Like you said. GameRankings merely dictates the highest-scoring games and not necessarily the best ones. However, even that could be at fault considering there is a quite broad range of genres that GameRankings has as critically acclaimed. You can't really compare Super Mario Galaxy to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time without getting some strange looks since they are two very different games. Being scored higher doesn't mean one is better than the other, since the games in question are usually compared to games from the same genre in reviews.

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Of course it's opinion based, which is why we use Gamerankings. It's the closest thing possible to find the quality of a game.

greenpyro33

Gamerankings is simply the reviewers opinions, not law.

First off, Game Rankings does not indicate the greatest game ever, merely the highest rated games.
And second of all, there can not be a greatest game of all time. Why? Because there can not be a best game, a better console, or any of the like.

The only thing we can agree on, are facts. "Greatest" is opinion based, and therefore not fact. The only things that is factual regarding preference, are pros and cons, and even those can sometimes be traced down to your favorite genre of games, and even type of game making.

Now before you go all crazy about how there are absolutely no cons regarding SMG, know that although pros and cons never change, people's outtake on them is extremely varied. Therefore, why continue this pointless debating. I know it is the nature of system wars, but can't we ever discuss why we like or don't like games? Use logic instead of moral substitution?

Discuss. Or don't.

awsss

This game is

Greatest game of all time = Most well-liked and/or well-made game of all time.

Could SMG possibly fit into one of the two sub-categories for the greatest game of all time?

opinions can't be written in stone, so you must resort to the other best thing, scores.

what you're saying here is that the voting system, and the rating system as a whole (not just for gaming) is rubbish talk.

and finally, games can never be 100% opinionated because there is a technical side of it, and technicalityalways resorts to facts, not opinions.

therfore, scores are needed, but it doesn't have to be your opinion.

Facts are based on opinion too.
KungfuKitten

No joke. GR is like US News top colleges list. Everyone hates it and anyone who actually uses it as THE deciding factor as to which college they attend should be slapped. Of course, it is one of the many factors that determines the quality of a college. But in the end, just like games, there is no BEST college although its pretty easy to separate the Stanfords and the Princetons from the community schools.

Once you separate the AAAs from the rest of the crap, its hard to pick which AAA is better than the other AAA. That's why I think GS only does scores in increments of .5 now. Because once you're a 9.3, can you really say a 9.4 is better?

No joke. GR is like US News top colleges list. Everyone hates it and anyone who actually uses it as THE deciding factor as to which college they attend should be slapped. Of course, it is one of the many factors that determines the quality of a college. But in the end, just like games, there is no BEST college although its pretty easy to separate the Stanfords and the Princetons from the community schools.

Once you separate the AAAs from the rest of the crap, its hard to pick which AAA is better than the other AAA. That's why I think GS only does scores in increments of .5 now. Because once you're a 9.3, can you really say a 9.4 is better?

Chickity_China

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No joke. GR is like US News top colleges list. Everyone hates it and anyone who actually uses it as THE deciding factor as to which college they attend should be slapped. Of course, it is one of the many factors that determines the quality of a college. But in the end, just like games, there is no BEST college although its pretty easy to separate the Stanfords and the Princetons from the community schools.

Once you separate the AAAs from the rest of the crap, its hard to pick which AAA is better than the other AAA. That's why I think GS only does scores in increments of .5 now. Because once you're a 9.3, can you really say a 9.4 is better?

nintendo-4life

Oh the sad mind of a SW junkie.... :roll:

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

No joke. GR is like US News top colleges list. Everyone hates it and anyone who actually uses it as THE deciding factor as to which college they attend should be slapped. Of course, it is one of the many factors that determines the quality of a college. But in the end, just like games, there is no BEST college although its pretty easy to separate the Stanfords and the Princetons from the community schools.

Once you separate the AAAs from the rest of the crap, its hard to pick which AAA is better than the other AAA. That's why I think GS only does scores in increments of .5 now. Because once you're a 9.3, can you really say a 9.4 is better?

Chickity_China

Oh the sad mind of a SW junkie.... :roll:

i was just messing with you... but from a technical point of view...... yes :|

I agree.

As much as I love this game, it's too early to start declaring it the best game of all time. However, it is one of the greatest games ever made and also the most critically acclaimed out of all games that are listed on Game Rankings.