So 360 owners (A Dark Souls query)

Its now been more or less confirmed that Dark Souls will disable party chat. What are your thoughts?

My two cents. Not a big fan. This is a feature that I pay for with XBL gold. I don't think it should be the developers call to remove this. I know this will bring a flurry of posters crying about how the game is "meant" to be played. Sorry, but they're called games for a reason. They are entertainment, and players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game. I'm curious to know how SW feels about it.

Ohh they dont get to use party chat? bu bu butttt what happened to the $60 a year? all wasted

I think it's hilarious. Funny that XBL gamers have to pay for that kind of stuff even when it's disabled in some games. DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I think it's hilarious. Funny that XBL gamers have to pay for that kind of stuff even when it's disabled in some games. clone01

Ohh they dont get to use party chat? bu bu butttt what happened to the $60 a year? all wasted

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I think it's hilarious. Funny that XBL gamers have to pay for that kind of stuff even when it's disabled in some games. Lexter45

I did that too actually. You party chat on the 360(you don't even need gold if you're not in a game) and play on your PS3 on the same TV. Just switch inputs.

You'd understand if you knew that Demon's Souls wasn't on the 360.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I think it's hilarious. Funny that XBL gamers have to pay for that kind of stuff even when it's disabled in some games. Lexter45

[QUOTE="Lexter45"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] Up to this point, 2 games I believe. I'm guessing that it might have been a condition that From software requested. Personally, I don't find it hilarious, but a bit short-sighted on MS part. It is something that me and a lot of my friends use a lot. Heck, we usedXBL party chat while we were playing demon's souls. Easy enough to work around with other means, obviously, but I definitely don't agree with it.clone01

Oh I see.

Well to answer your question that's a bummer. Though Not many of my friends are getting, or even heard of Demons Souls. I'll get it next year when it reaches the 40$ price mark.

Ohh they dont get to use party chat? bu bu butttt what happened to the $60 a year? all wasted

finalstar2007

Unless you don't play it. Than it doesn't matter. You're not playing it. I'm not playing it. So it doesn't affect either of us, right?

Ohh they dont get to use party chat? bu bu butttt what happened to the $60 a year? all wasted

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Ohh they dont get to use party chat? bu bu butttt what happened to the $60 a year? all wasted

themyth01

"players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game"

clone01

If you're vision is to make a game with multiple approaches, then yes I'd agree. However, I don't think that has to be THE vision driving your experience. You could just want to tell a good, but somewhat interactive story, recognizing that interactivity can enrich a story, but also recognizing the need for structure in any well told story. Or you could have a very clear set of emotions and reactions you want to trigger in your player, and giving the player too much freedom potentially DESTROYS that experience.

To liken it to Fine Art...some art let's you draw your own associations and some art hits you over the head with its message.Some art guides the veiwer, but insists on nothing.Some art is made to please and some art is not.Some art is strictly personal, and the viewer has nothing to do with the process aside from their own voyeurism.Some art tells a story and some art does not.

The relationship of artist to viewer, developer to player, musician to listener, or writer to reader should not have a single philosophy in my opinion, as almost every approach has yielded great work. If all creative processes can be likened to a desire to express something (even if that something is simply a reflection of a plurality of consumer's desires in order to maximize profit), which I think is pretty much the case, then we must accept that the BEST way to express a particular vision may not always be the most pleasant one for every bent at the moment.

Speaking strictly as a consumer the answer is no, I don't always want freedom to be at the core of my game-playing experience. I like variety, and not just variety of locale, characters, mechanics, and plot, but variety of direction and intention. Sometimes I want to explore and sometimes I want to be along for a good ride.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

"players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game"

Seiki_sands

If you're vision is to make a game with multiple approaches, then yes I'd agree. However, I don't think that has to be THE vision driving your experience. You could just want to tell a good, but somewhat interactive story, recognizing that interactivity can enrich a story, but also recognizing the need for structure. Or you could have a very clear set of emotions and reactions you want to trigger in your player, and giving the player too much freedom potentially DESTROYS that experience.

To liken it to Fine Art...some art let's you draw your own associations and some art hits you over the head with its message.Some art guides the veiwer, but insists on nothing.Some art is made to please and some art is not.Some art is strictly personal, and the viewer has nothing to do with the process aside from their own voyeurism.Some art tells a story and some art does not.

The relationship of artist to viewer, developer to player, musician to listener, or writer to reader should not have a single philosophy in my opinion, as almost every approach has yielded great work. If all creative processes can be likened to a desire to express something (even if that something is simply a reflection of a plurality of consumer's desires in order to maximize profit), which I think is pretty much the case, then we must accept that the BEST way to express a particular vision may not always be the most pleasant one for every bent at the moment.

So I guess the answer is no, I don't always want freedom to be at the core of my game-playing experience. I like variety, and not just variety of locale, characters, mechanics, and plot, but variety of direction and intention. Sometimes I want to explore and sometimes I want to be along for a good ride.

They want you to feel alone in the world battling with the others. While the "others" always being strangers. But what does that have to do with talking with your friends? It's like they are saying we can't talk with the people in the room with you while you play DSBodyElite

They want you to feel alone in the world battling with the others. While the "others" always being strangers. But what does that have to do with talking with your friends? It's like they are saying we can't talk with the people in the room with you while you play DSBodyElite

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Ohh they dont get to use party chat? bu bu butttt what happened to the $60 a year? all wasted

DragonfireXZ95

Try private chat. I know with CoD, SND will diable party chat but private chat is still avaliable. Of course you can only talk to one other person, but better than nothing.

[QUOTE="BodyElite"]They want you to feel alone in the world battling with the others. While the "others" always being strangers. But what does that have to do with talking with your friends? It's like they are saying we can't talk with the people in the room with you while you play DSclone01

Well, except for the entire library of games that it can be used for aside from Dark Souls.clone01

like u said.. its just 1 game in the entire library of games that doesnt allow u to use the voice chat. I don't see why this bothers u.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Nicely done, but you don't actually believe it's just for party chat... BodyElite

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="BodyElite"]They want you to feel alone in the world battling with the others. While the "others" always being strangers. But what does that have to do with talking with your friends? It's like they are saying we can't talk with the people in the room with you while you play DSlqcevox

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I think it's hilarious. Funny that XBL gamers have to pay for that kind of stuff even when it's disabled in some games. clone01

like u said.. its just 1 game in the entire library of games that doesnt allow u to use the voice chat. I don't see why this bothers u.

lqcevox

Yes, but Party chat should be universal. I'm just pointing out Finalstar's illogical summation of a service he apparently knows very little about.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I think it's hilarious. Funny that XBL gamers have to pay for that kind of stuff even when it's disabled in some games. ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] Up to this point, 2 games I believe. I'm guessing that it might have been a condition that From software requested. Personally, I don't find it hilarious, but a bit short-sighted on MS part. It is something that me and a lot of my friends use a lot. Heck, we used XBL party chat while we were playing demon's souls. Easy enough to work around with other means, obviously, but I definitely don't agree with it.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"]Just do the same thing. Play it on the 360, and make a voice chatroom on PS3. Or get it on PS3 and use the 360 to chat again.

ianuilliam

Its now been more or less confirmed that Dark Souls will disable party chat. What are your thoughts?

My two cents. Not a big fan. This is a feature that I pay for with XBL gold. I don't think it should be the developers call to remove this. I know this will bring a flurry of posters crying about how the game is "meant" to be played. Sorry, but they're called games for a reason. They are entertainment, and players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game. I'm curious to know how SW feels about it.

clone01

This is how the game is meant to be played, that is all

You cant party chat during an aliens movie, it would totally destroy the atmoshere, so why would it be different for one of the most core and atmsopsheric games of all time ?

I feel like they did the right thing 1000%, i dont want my game destroyed by chatting and destroying any immersion

thats just stupid why would they turn off party chat as a XBL user i'm not impressed i'll think i'll pass on this game and just get it for PS3xCocoTheMonkeyx

[QUOTE="xCocoTheMonkeyx"]thats just stupid why would they turn off party chat as a XBL user i'm not impressed i'll think i'll pass on this game and just get it for PS3dotWithShoes

Just jump on private chat you know the chat that lets you chat with another person I've yet to see a game disable that.

While I don't see the point of using party chat while playing a game like this, I do think it's lame that they disable it all together when people actually pay for the service. It's the principle of the matter more than anything.

Its now been more or less confirmed that Dark Souls will disable party chat. What are your thoughts?

My two cents. Not a big fan. This is a feature that I pay for with XBL gold. I don't think it should be the developers call to remove this. I know this will bring a flurry of posters crying about how the game is "meant" to be played. Sorry, but they're called games for a reason. They are entertainment, and players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game. I'm curious to know how SW feels about it.

clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Its now been more or less confirmed that Dark Souls will disable party chat. What are your thoughts?

My two cents. Not a big fan. This is a feature that I pay for with XBL gold. I don't think it should be the developers call to remove this. I know this will bring a flurry of posters crying about how the game is "meant" to be played. Sorry, but they're called games for a reason. They are entertainment, and players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game. I'm curious to know how SW feels about it.

loosingENDS

This is how the game is meant to be played, that is all

You cant party chat during an aliens movie, it would totally destroy the atmoshere, so why would it be different for one of the most core and atmsopsheric games of all time ?

I feel like they did the right thing 1000%, i dont want my game destroyed by chatting and destroying any immersion

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="BodyElite"] $60 a year is pennies bro. I own both a 360 and a ps3 and loved Demon's souls but I'm getting dark for the 360 simply because xbox live is so much better and so is the communityjjccjj92

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="xCocoTheMonkeyx"]thats just stupid why would they turn off party chat as a XBL user i'm not impressed i'll think i'll pass on this game and just get it for PS3BodyElite

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Its now been more or less confirmed that Dark Souls will disable party chat. What are your thoughts?

My two cents. Not a big fan. This is a feature that I pay for with XBL gold. I don't think it should be the developers call to remove this. I know this will bring a flurry of posters crying about how the game is "meant" to be played. Sorry, but they're called games for a reason. They are entertainment, and players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game. I'm curious to know how SW feels about it.

loosingENDS

This is how the game is meant to be played, that is all

You cant party chat during an aliens movie, it would totally destroy the atmoshere, so why would it be different for one of the most core and atmsopsheric games of all time ?

I feel like they did the right thing 1000%, i dont want my game destroyed by chatting and destroying any immersion

Your supposed to be scared in Dark Souls and your not going to be if your shouting swear words at your buddy and talking about what could be around the next corner.

[QUOTE="BodyElite"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] meanwhile on the ps3, you don't have the option at all. You can still do private chat on XBL.DragonfireXZ95

Your supposed to be scared in Dark Souls and your not going to be if your shouting swear words at your buddy and talking about what could be around the next corner.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="BodyElite"] ExactlyBodyElite

When did I ever complain about it? I don't pay for it. Why would I waste my money on that when I have an awesome PC and a PS3, both of which I can play online for free?

It's not that it's expensive, it's about spending your money wisely. I don't think I need a better job if I have a 1200 dollar computer, and I'm fairly sure I spent more money for it than your 360 and your games combined.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Its now been more or less confirmed that Dark Souls will disable party chat. What are your thoughts?

My two cents. Not a big fan. This is a feature that I pay for with XBL gold. I don't think it should be the developers call to remove this. I know this will bring a flurry of posters crying about how the game is "meant" to be played. Sorry, but they're called games for a reason. They are entertainment, and players should get to decide how to approach the way they enjoy a game. I'm curious to know how SW feels about it.

BodyElite

This is how the game is meant to be played, that is all

You cant party chat during an aliens movie, it would totally destroy the atmoshere, so why would it be different for one of the most core and atmsopsheric games of all time ?

I feel like they did the right thing 1000%, i dont want my game destroyed by chatting and destroying any immersion

Maybe they value giving a proper immersive experience more than sales and i am with them

Money is not everything, if people play with chat the game will be nothing like it is supposed to be played and a far inferior experience

and destroying their game like that will make them loose status and this is far more important, they just want people to get the real DS experience, which is not a party chat session, but a real hardcore game