So about this whole DX12 thing.......

So a lot of people are claiming that Dx12 20% increase is exclusive to PC but I'm not so sure about, granted Spencer was vague in his statements as he always is(great way to get people talking about the XB1 Phil), but I highly doubt that the improvement will be that small for PC. Here's why:

So I ran the current Star Swarm test on my PC and jumped from 20fps(Dx11) to 50fps(Mantle), now like Daious mentioned in the other thread the test is based on best case scenario but I find it hard to believe that in the worse case scenario that PC performance would drop that much. If we use the 980 from the last pic as an example, a 20% increase would only give us 25fps, that can be achieved simply by overclocking the gpu with no need for DX12/Mantle for Amd.

In the video below Wardell talks about DX12 for PC and Xb1 and his statements coincide with what Spencer says about devs having to implement DX 12 meaning there wont be much of a difference on older engines. He uses BF4 as an example, when people claimed Mantle only gave a 20% increase, it was because it was an existing engine. About 17 minutes in is where he talks about it, but this is about PC performance so I'm going to jump to the part where he actually talks about PC.

Don't really have much else to say except that I doubt PC performance will drop to 20% and 50% in the worse case scenario, it would basically mean AMD and MS spent tons of money on API's that achieve the same thing you could achieve by uping your gpu clock.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8962/the-directx-12-performance-preview-amd-nvidia-star-swarm/5

20% GPU boost to The One DX12 (DX12 other thread link).

We need more DX12 threads so thank you for adding more to the discussion that simply can not fit in the other DX12 threads created today. Here's yet a third thread on the same DX12 subject.

It's just a rumor (and months of observation), but in SW a tiny few welcome and tolerate response threads these days (unless a mod isn't a fan of your particular response thread). Hopefully you've constructed a response thread that is liked enough so we can get tons more discussion going in various threads about rumored and misunderstood DX12 boosts. I think with more effort we can hit maybe 6-7 DX12 Xbone-rumor-boosts-nevermind threads.

He was not vague. He was talking about PC and it's not a boost. It was a 20% increase in GPU utilization, which means the GPU was doing more work, not that it was doing 20% more than what it was capable of.

@SolidTy: can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but I dont live in these threads so i didn't know we had that many. If it gets locked so be it.

He was probably being /s

It's all good. You put effort into your unique DX12 take and spin why not have these DX threads all going full throttle?

Speaking of full throttle:

You know what, that hair suits him actually. 999!

@SolidTy: didn't know Kit was powered by the cloud, so that explains how he could do all that stuff in the show.

KIT was pretty awesome.

I have a picture next to KIT I got at a car show....we didn't know it then, but the cloud was the future. :P

Just gotta go nerd for a second... don't know who KIT is, but KITT was pretty damn cool :)

Phil never said that the increase for PC was 20%, he said that one game on PC had a 20% boost. Some games might benefit more, though I'd bet most games will benefit less. We can't know how the Legends DX12 PC boost stacks up, but since he used it to point out the benefits of a product he's pitching, it'd be unlikely that it casts the DX12 benefits in a very poor light.

Remember: we're still talking about the same hardware, just with a better optimized API. You can't expect magic here.

AHHHH...hahaha. Good catch and good one. Hell yeah! :P

Dat paranoia.

No, try again. :( I would tell you it was a facetious joke but I know you didn't like the delivery as it was wordy. The obvious reply would be to say you don't find it funny in some ad hominem type style.

You already said as much in those other two threads that you don't like my longer posts/reading. At this rate and to be fair, considering your contributions of late, I can't say I'm a fan of your posts either. You seem agitated all the time, not just with me, just in general.

@SolidTy said:

It's all good. You put effort into your unique DX12 take and spin why not have these DX threads all going full throttle?

Speaking of full throttle:

Eh, I think optimization is par for the course for consoles. Itll most likely be to a lesser extent than last gen, but we havent seen any proper current gen engines yet either.

Technical graphics are the least important thing when it comes to the console experience.

Nah you're right. This doesn't sound like paranoia at all.

rofl

That part of the joke was directed for an audience of one. :P

It's a good one too because here we are in said dupe thread #3 whilst it remains unlocked. ;)

LAWLosarus Rex

Ohh I'm sure.

Nothing about your posts indicate you would be sure tho. :P

Not my problem mate. Unlike some of the posters on this board I've got nothing to prove to everyone.

There is going to be a boost how much I don't know but everything helps.

ITT:

That's fine with me amigo. It was a convoluted joke not worth this much discussion tbh. :)

whoa...deja vu.

It'll be higher than 20% on PCs in games that use tons of draw calls. You won't really notice an increase in games that don't.

uh, mr. mod sir....how are you actively participating in this thread when its a carbon copy of my other thread...a thread that you yourself participated in sir? How is that possible that you're not handling your mod duties appropriately here...aren't duplicate threads supposed to be handled accordingly sir? I mean, the exact same link and photos...the same article. How haven't you picked up on this being a duplicate thread by now sir? you were actively participating in my other thread that has the exact same link and pictures you're in here commenting on right now Mr. Wasdie sir? So how is it possible you haven't handled your duties by now sir? You couldnt have missed it (again) since your discussing the OP thats a carbon copy of my thread....so how sir, why?? I'm curious.

it's the same goddamn shit.

I would disagree. 20% more utilization is more of an optimization than a boost. A boost implies that the gpu has been overclocked and can theoretically achieve higher performance than before. That's clearly not the case.

It was confirmed it is for PC the whole 20% on xbox one was an error and MS own PR reflect that and show the correction as they only name PC.

No it was powered by TV cameras and stunt mans and repeating the same loop jump 100 times,sound like the xbox one after all doesn't smoke and mirrors..lol

And with what extra cores it will issue those draws.?

The xbox one doesn't have a spare core,all its CPU is already tied on xbox one,even if true which i think is not there is no point.

The exact same shit you did,when you make your thread there was already others about DX12 and still you make the thread,so maybe he hasn't close it for the same reason he didn't close yours.

Two all beef GPU's SecretSauce on a StormCloud bun baby, X1 is mmm, mmm good. :P

It was only a matter of time before you showed up, shitting all over the place. Where is your link of this rock solid "confirmation"????? GAF? GTFO.

And now you are correcting someones humor? GTFO.

and last.................GTFO.

This is what I know about DX updates:

You need new hardware if you wanna make 100% use of it.
The difference will be noticeable but barely so, because the changes are so incremental and the hype is always way overblown.
It takes a long time after hardware starts being build around it for software to use it in a very obvious way.

So, I don't care that much till I see the game that I can play that shows the difference.

MS own PR you sad troll...

http://news.xbox.com/2015/03/xbox-gdc-2015?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The backfire of yesterday thread really hurt you..hahahhaa

Get a good seat so you can enjoy waiting for those 5 more frames...hahahaha

another dx12 thread lems stopped hyping XposBone it seems

they gave up.. so sad

I am aware of yesterday. You said it was "confirmed". Obviously you don't know what confirmed means.

why do you keep writing me lol? i have three or four notification from you here. you aren't even writing me because you proved a point against me. they're just random BS post that don't really mean anything, to nothing...smh idk. listen, i prefer our relationship be you respond to me when i namedrop you. besides that stay out of my notification please. because you come off like some annoying kid, talking some annoying kid stuff, when you write me lol.

and i give no fucks if mods close my threads, or whoevers. if its a dupe thread...close the motherfucker lol. do your job on here. otherwise you look like a petty bitch that tries to drown people's threads in favor of another even when that other one has clearly broken the TOS and rules of the board. right @Wasdie? yea, @Wasdie agrees. its the same exact same link and pictures, lol smh.

@tymeservesfate: You shouldn't be worrying about other threads that aren't your own. It's not your job to be a moderator. You could have not posted in this thread and let it die instead of bumping it. If people find nothing new to discuss they just won't.

Your thread is old and I'm not going to force people into an old thread with mature discussions between the same people. Which is fine but getting into the discussion after 400 posts have been made and the entire thread has boiled down into a pretty involved discussion between a few people is difficult. Sometimes new threads spark new life into the discussion with new posters. Unless it's a big deal where I know it's going to flood the board, I don't force stickies. If your thread was made an hour or a day before and was still active I would have probably closed this one.

Where you're in the wrong here is worrying that there are other topics outside of yours. It's just a thread, nothing special. It's not taking away from yours at all. This isn't a race to see who can get the most replies in their thread, there is nothing special about having an active discussion going. Do not come into new threads and all but demand they are closed.

yea, its your job too...when are you going to start doing it? you first posted in here 9 hours ago.

With the cloud and DX12 is trying to make up for the PS4's 50% more power, but you cant make up the by gamers for gamers mantra that SONY has deployed to make the PS4 current gen 8 console leader and still the worlds most powerful video game console.

@tymeservesfate: And now we just have the one thread to discuss the topic. So let's not derail this discussion any further and if you have a problem with it please feel free to PM me or take it up with the administrators.

My that escalated quickly.

@tormentos:

@Drfu77 @draginol I don’t expect the XB1 to get the 300-500% boost PCs are getting, but 100%? Give me a consistent 60fps then!

Brad Wardell @draginol @StarkyLuv73 @Drfu77 problem in those numbers is comparing to what? Late gen Xbo games will be far faster even if they didn't use dx12.

Brad Wardell @draginol Need people to quit thinking of dx12 as a magic bullet. It lets devs spread tasks across mult cores. Which is huge. But not automatic.

Wow...

Someone call the waaambulance

meltdown!! lol! banhammer incoming???

look out! forum police..

Someone applied for a mod position.