So according to Gamespot DOA4>VF5

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#51 Blackbond
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Though VF5 is still the most technically sound fighter out there here's imo why the score got held down. Doa4 just has a lot that VF5 should have added.

  • Still no amazing environments
  • No all out destructable environments
  • No Online
  • Same drab music
  • Feels too much like VF4

VF5 from the reviews I've read seems like the Madden of Fighting games. Its just an update with nothing really that new. But I will rent this game and play it (hopefully lol) to judge by my own opinion. Not that my list above is why I thought the score was held down. Its not my general opinion of the game itself.

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#52 Acenso
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VF5 from the reviews I've read seems like the Madden of Fighting games. Its just an update with nothing really that new. But I will rent this game and play it (hopefully lol) to judge by my own opinion. Not that my list above is why I thought the score was held down. Its not my general opinion of the game itself.

Blackbond

Pretty much. Why should I buy VF5 when VF4evo is still so good? Not the game really challenged. Just another rebalance. Heck I'm not sure if they even added in a new mode or something.
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#53 osusfaith
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Though VF5 is still the most technically sound fighter out there here's imo why the score got held down. Doa4 just has a lot that VF5 should have added.

  • Still no amazing environments
  • No all out destructable environments
  • No Online
  • Same drab music
  • Feels too much like VF4

VF5 from the reviews I've read seems like the Madden of Fighting games. Its just an update with nothing really that new. But I will rent this game and play it (hopefully lol) to judge by my own opinion. Not that my list above is why I thought the score was held down. Its not my general opinion of the game itself.

Blackbond
Yea, I'd love to buy VF5 as well, but I know I wont due to no online. I'll rent it, play it, maybe get the hang of a character, but who am I gonna show it off to? Who will challenge my skills? My friends? They suck at fighting games largely. So there's no incentive to purchase I don't find it very exciting or rewarding to beat the AI in a fighting game compared to a real person
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#54 sonicmj1
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Not so much.

Part of it is standards. A lot of time has passed since DOA4 came out, and time raises standards from games. But I don't think that would fully fill the gap.

The main area where VF5 lost points was in features, things that don't affect the fundamental fighting engine. DOA4 might have a lot more to do, but VF5 could still be the deeper fighter, which is what a lot of the more vocal fighting fans here seem to care most about.
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#55 Doomshine
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So, who wants to bet that the 360 version will score a little higher because of achievements and System Wars will become a warzone? :D
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#56 shaggygrosser
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what a bunch of cry babies.  :roll:
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#57 tag_001
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[QUOTE="-Super-Fly-"][QUOTE="mazdero"]

[QUOTE="ps3-nikita"][QUOTE="danneswegman"]no, Vf5 wasn't there when DOA4 came out. you must concider the time factor too... if they were released in the same time, the score might have been different.Timstuff

Well maybe you forget all those lovely preview vids Sony showed of Vfs. Like alot of early 360 games, they were compared to that. PS3 are really feeling the scores now, becuase they overpromised on their power. What was it 2-3 times. I said it then and I say it now, the PS3 games should be looking 2-3 times as better then the 360 games, otherwise they should always score lower. Just like the Wii games should be docked points when it doesnt use the remote in any other way that a standard controller can be used. I say this because in both cases this is the biggest selling point of their console. It also is the points that have stopped people from buying other consoles to a degree. The same way a game on 360, maybe get docked points, because he online presentation isnt up to par or it doesnt really have much or any online if at all. VF5 scores in other places are like the Zelda scores. Too many fanbois cant review their fav games without being biased towards them. Blinds them from thier faults and let to many things slip by. The DOA series never had the fan base that niether Tekken or VF has.

I don't know what you're talking about. VF5 looks amazing. Especially considering it is basically a launch game. You cannot compare 360 and PS3 at this point. Too ealry in the PS3's life to judge it. Also, way too much emphasis is being placed on online play. Online should be an added feature, not the main attraction.

Game scores are one persons OPINION. You should take them with a grain of salt and form your own opinion AFTER you play the game.

The PS3 should be compared to the 360 after all Sony was bragging how much more powerful of a machine that it is. Remember when the original Xbox launched it was more powerful and it proved it from day 1 against the PS2.

Also about the online, any fighting game that is released this Gen. should have online. People don't have strangers coming over to their house to play games and the best part of fighting games is taking on a variety of compation

Online with VF is currently a technical impossibility at the time due to lag on current internet technology. VF4 with no online > no VF4 at all. Stop holding this up like it's a legitimate reason for such a low score, because it's not. Jeff gave DOA4 a better score because it has bouncy hentai chicks, and VF4 doesn't. End of story.

Why is it a technical impossibility? I've played DOA4 online and most of the time it wasn't laggy at all. If they set up good dedicated servers I don't see how you could notice any lag with only 2 people playing on it.
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#58 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]This is just plain moronic. I am starting to loose faith in Jeff. Sheep, I finally understand why you hated him so much when he flopped Zelda TP. The man truly is a black sheep, rogue missile, or whatever you want to call him.osusfaith


Yet you were one of the first to praise Jeff claiming good I'm glad he didn't give it AAA and just follow everyone else's opinion. Zelda TP deserved what it got. So how's it feel to be in the same boat as the sheep now?

His criticisms aren't invalid either. VF5 is an AAAA game if you want super technical fighting, and are constantly surrounded by high level competition to play. If you are stuck having to play by yourself, you don't have online, and you don't have a lot of single player modes, so then it's only 8.1 game for you They try to rate games based on what's good for the masses.



No his critisims are correct but this guy was like Jeff's biggest fan when he gave TP an 8.8 now look where he is at. I knew this was gonna happen though. I predicted 8.6 because of no online although I wished I was owned because I wanted it to get AAA. This is highly disappointed. Not many people have PS3's right now so its pointless to get this game because nobody else can buy it to practice so I can play.
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#59 osusfaith
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[QUOTE="osusfaith"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]This is just plain moronic. I am starting to loose faith in Jeff. Sheep, I finally understand why you hated him so much when he flopped Zelda TP. The man truly is a black sheep, rogue missile, or whatever you want to call him.Blackbond


Yet you were one of the first to praise Jeff claiming good I'm glad he didn't give it AAA and just follow everyone else's opinion. Zelda TP deserved what it got. So how's it feel to be in the same boat as the sheep now?

His criticisms aren't invalid either. VF5 is an AAAA game if you want super technical fighting, and are constantly surrounded by high level competition to play. If you are stuck having to play by yourself, you don't have online, and you don't have a lot of single player modes, so then it's only 8.1 game for you They try to rate games based on what's good for the masses.



No his critisims are correct but this guy was like Jeff's biggest fan when he gave TP an 8.8 now look where he is at. I knew this was gonna happen though. I predicted 8.6 because of no online although I wished I was owned because I wanted it to get AAA. This is highly disappointed. Not many people have PS3's right now so its pointless to get this game because nobody else can buy it to practice so I can play.

Well that's the nature of fanboys. They'll agree with a reviewer/website/magazine til they say something negative about something they support, then all of a sudden its like "THEY'RE OUT OF CONTROL!"
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#60 Khansoul
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VF5 flopped! what are all the Cows going on about?
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#61 mikasa
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[QUOTE="gsx1100"]Somethings seriously wrong here.
amourkiss

indeed, what's wrong with them?

even DoA is create base on VF's technology (SEGA was tech supporting Tecmo when they create DoA)

DoA4 is beautiful, but VF5 clearly is sharper and should at least score 9 or above for its graphic, and score at least 8.8 overally

I'd dock VF5 for no online at least 1 full point.
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#62 SemiMaster
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DOA has more content than VF5. VF5 is lucky it got what it did.bluebrad1974


Amen, Virtua Fighter has not evolved at all since it came out and is VERY bare bones and punishing to those who might actually be interested in the series but haven't played it before.

Virtua Fighter is an overrated overhyped "art school elitist" game that people claim to play to make people think they are "t3h hardkor3".  "By giving it a eleven out of 10, your publication automatically receives instant credibility among the hardcore fighter crowd who we all know sell at least 60% of all consoles." I'm pretty sure thats what the check for a thousand dollars says that comes with the advance copy of the game to any publisher of video game journalism.
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#63 Puckhog04
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No online really hurt VF5 it seems.
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#64 StealthSting
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This is just plain moronic. I am starting to loose faith in Jeff. Sheep, I finally understand why you hated him so much when he flopped Zelda TP. The man truly is a black sheep, rogue missile, or whatever you want to call him.Timstuff
Oh the irony....... Come on people, I don't know if I should be sad about this or find this extremely funny. Also, bear in mind that I love the series, but don't make this a TP situation. If it makes some people feel better, maybe you should check on the many awsome reviews outside gamespot.
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#65 rockydog1111
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I love DOA4, but it is not nearly as good as VF5 (read the actual reviews about the fighting engine). The not having online is blown way out of proportion. Are we so lazy that we cant go to a friends house anymore and have a gaming session. Online fighting with VF5 wouldnt really work, the fighting engine is too precise, any lag would destroy the fighting. DOA4 has quite a bit of lag, and I have won and lost matches because of it, that IMHO is terrible.
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#66 shadow_lord_11
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I'll never understand why people cream themselves over reviews.

"but but, my favorite game didnt do gud so im upset"

internet: home of serious business only.
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#67 ajames_123
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9 out of 10 online games on DOA4 i dont lag at all. Im just smart enough to play som1 with a decent connection rating. All this nonsense about how VF5 wouldnt work online is a lame excuse by the developers. They could have taken there time and made it work but they rushed it out half assd with no features.

VF5 has got nothing new to offer for a next gen game and lacks features which should be expected.

Plus its got the worse voice acting i have ever heard. Makes me cringe.

Lets all get over it and move on. Maybe next time they will actually put some features into the game and make it worth the cost.

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#68 Runningflame570
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According to Gamespot Alundra 2 deserves a 4.0 while Excalibur 2055 AD (one of the absolute worst games I've ever played) deserves a 4.5. :|
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#69 CarlosPontinas
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But I heard DOA was crap.

How comes GS scores say VF5 is 7.8 (if you add them up)?

That makes VF look TERRIBLE.

DOA is 1 whole point ahead.

Oh noes....

Look on the bright side though, maybe I'll have to check out DOA

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#70 joe_g_patton
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I've never been a big fan of the DoA series. They are more about bouncing boobies and button mashing than anything else. Also, I never really liked the character design in DoA. WTF, Zack? I will say that DoA4 is by far the best DoA yet, and definitely a good game. Still, the DoA series has always been behind Tekken, Soul Calibur, and VF as far as I'm concerned. Reviews are opinion, and the same person doesn't review every game on this site. I actually prefer EGM's format. I'd rather get 3 reviewer opinions on EGM for a game review than one on GS.
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#71 cheezisgoooood
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DOA4>VF5 on IGN too.  Go figure.
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#72 waynehead895
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I love DOA4, but it is not nearly as good as VF5 (read the actual reviews about the fighting engine). The not having online is blown way out of proportion. Are we so lazy that we cant go to a friends house anymore and have a gaming session. Online fighting with VF5 wouldnt really work, the fighting engine is too precise, any lag would destroy the fighting. DOA4 has quite a bit of lag, and I have won and lost matches because of it, that IMHO is terrible.rockydog1111
You know how hard it is to find someone in the US who is acutally good in fighting games to play with? My brother used to be my main competition, he stopped playing fighting games a long time ago. None of my friends play fighting games anymore. The arcades around me are literally dead. Online for fighting is necessary now a days.
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#73 hellsing321
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People need to honestly get a grip. Jeff isn't Biased against anything, and he is just trying to do his job. VF not having online is a big deal with the new generation of games because it has come to be an expectation of games now. I would have liked to get VF but I don't see the point when none of my friends are any good at fighters so I wouldn't have any competition to play against. If it had online this problem would be rectified but sadly it is not online.
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#74 jvonrader
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Could it be possible that *gasp* DOA4 is just a better game?

Oh, no.  It's "teh Jeff is teh biased!!!!11!, teh lemmingspot!!1!!"

All of a sudden VF5 went from "time exclusive" to "ah, well, it's multiplat anyway"

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#75 krunkmastax
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Could it be possible that *gasp* DOA4 is just a better game?

Oh, no. It's "teh Jeff is teh biased!!!!11!, teh lemmingspot!!1!!"

All of a sudden VF5 went from "time exclusive" to "ah, well, it's multiplat anyway"

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#76 TyrantDragon55
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It's obvious that the review had his ass handed to him by the A.I. and took it out on the score.guch20

Funny, one of his complaints was the brain dead AI. And he wasn't the only one that complained about that either.

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#77 oback
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can you say damage control?
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#78 Buff-McBlumpkin
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so vf5 is an improvement from vf4, but it gets a lower score? wtf:?

flipknoc

For the same reason TP scored much, much lower than OoT.

Standards improve over time. If a game comes out and sets a new standard (OoT and to a much lesser extent VF4/Evo or the previous VF's) these standards must be raised significantly years and years later, especially if the game expected to raise it is a sequel of the game that originally set or raised the bar. It must do just as much for the genre as its predecessor did to get a comparable score... not just put forth a slightly tweaked, slightly improved, mostly recycled version of the game that came before it.

That is the reason VF5 didn't score as high, and that should be common sense.

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#79 I-_-I
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no online? gtfo. It's really that simple.

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#80 donkey35
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Gametrailers review was amazing. Gametrailers and IGN do the best reviews.
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#81 osusfaith
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Gametrailers review was amazing. Gametrailers and IGN do the best reviews.donkey35
You're more then welcome to post there lol
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#82 littlestreakier
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ign also rated DOA4 higher than VF5...so...yea....-looks around- i mean i'm not saying this to be a fanboy or anything.  just letting u know that ign also rated DOA4 higher than VF5.
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#83 CarlosPontinas
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ign also rated DOA4 higher than VF5...so...yea....-looks around- i mean i'm not saying this to be a fanboy or anything.  just letting u know that ign also rated DOA4 higher than VF5.littlestreakier
I keep hearing about this DOA. I'm going to have to check it out.