So after four main entries, the MGS series is still terrible.

I don't think we have ever witnessed a game series achieve such a big fanbase, despite having horrendous gameplay that is completely inferior to the competition. Yet each Metal Gear Solid game has got away with its horrible gameplay because of the big storylines, which themselves are overly convoluted. Is it really fair that a series can get away with some of the worst gameplay in existence as long as the storyline is good (according to its fans)?

Discuss.

I don't think we have ever witnessed a game series achieve such a big fanbase, despite having horrendous gameplay that is completely inferior to the competition. Yet each Metal Gear Solid game has got away with its horrible gameplay because of the big storylines, which themselves are overly convoluted. Is it really fair that a series can get away with some of the worst gameplay in existence as long as the storyline is good (according to its fans)?

Discuss.

drinkoasis

The critics say eitherwise GOTY sorry to rain on your parade :)

GOTY

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GOTY

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DanteSuikoden

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

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GOTY

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wapahala

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

That doesn't stop it from being an incredible experience,from start to finish.The whole package is near faultless imo.

TC,the MGS series isn't terrible,just an acquired taste.

I don't think we have ever witnessed a game series achieve such a big fanbase, despite having horrendous gameplay that is completely inferior to the competition. Yet each Metal Gear Solid game has got away with its horrible gameplay because of the big storylines, which themselves are overly convoluted. Is it really fair that a series can get away with some of the worst gameplay in existence as long as the storyline is good (according to its fans)?

Discuss.

metal gear first appeared on nes and the arcade if i remember correctly.

then in 1998 metal gear solid was born on ps1.

The first one was a must play in 1998 or whenever that thing came out.Gamertag-TFTW

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GabeNewellsPie

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

That doesn't stop it from being an incredible experience,from start to finish.The whole package is near faultless imo.

TC,the MGS series isn't terrible,just an acquired taste.

It may be an awesome experience, incredible experience and unmatched experience, but you still have to be a fan of the games to think so. You absolutely have to be a fan of the game to like it at all. Now, a game like Super Mario Galaxy or LBP winning GOTY would make more sense because anyone can enjoy them. Even a game like Gears or Zelda or Team Fortress 2. But when it comes to MGS, it has a hard-to-follow story that you have to understand and like... you have to have known the story of the other games, the characters, etc... you are going to have to think that an arm taking over a persons mind is cool or makes sense... the same goes for cannons firing soldiers. Ugh.

The gameplay is the only thing I didnt like about the game, and even that was not horrible. I never liked any of the MGS games at all....the story in MGS4 was confusing and I was totally lost for the majority of the game. I still thought it was a good game and I gave it a 10.

Yeah four absolutely epic revolutionary games and a game of the year, Hideo should just give up already.

As for worst gameplay in the business, you've slightly redeemed yourself as you granted me a chuckle, although your pièce de résistance was your feed from tonight which reads something like:

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How many times have you got moderated today?!

The gameplay is the only thing I didnt like about the game, and even that was not horrible. I never liked any of the MGS games at all....the story in MGS4 was confusing and I was totally lost for the majority of the game. I still thought it was a good game and I gave it a 10.

IIJuggaNottII

Wait, hold it. Let me get this straight... You don't like the gameplay, found the story confusing, and was totally lost for the majority of the game, but you still gave it a 10? Wow...

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The gameplay is the only thing I didnt like about the game, and even that was not horrible. I never liked any of the MGS games at all....the story in MGS4 was confusing and I was totally lost for the majority of the game. I still thought it was a good game and I gave it a 10.

wapahala

Wait, hold it. Let me get this straight... You don't like the gameplay, found the story confusing, and was totally lost for the majority of the game, but you still gave it a 10? Wow...

[QUOTE="wapahala"][QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"]

The gameplay is the only thing I didnt like about the game, and even that was not horrible. I never liked any of the MGS games at all....the story in MGS4 was confusing and I was totally lost for the majority of the game. I still thought it was a good game and I gave it a 10.

Truth-slayer

Wait, hold it. Let me get this straight... You don't like the gameplay, found the story confusing, and was totally lost for the majority of the game, but you still gave it a 10? Wow...

lol...yep. Kinda like that.

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"][QUOTE="wapahala"]

Wait, hold it. Let me get this straight... You don't like the gameplay, found the story confusing, and was totally lost for the majority of the game, but you still gave it a 10? Wow...

IIJuggaNottII

lol...yep. Kinda like that.

But that's like saying BigRigs is the ultimate game out there.

Yeh, the gameplay isn't the main focus of the series. It's average at best.AAllxxjjnn

So what is there to like? The story is bad, average gameplay...

[QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"][QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]"I have no idea what is going on, but all I know is that it is frickin awesome."wapahala

lol...yep. Kinda like that.

But that's like saying BigRigs is the ultimate game out there.

No its not. The gameplay was not the best, and I never liked any of the MGS4 games. So of course I would not know the story, c'mon the minor stuff like what Snake was trying to do I understood. Most of the stuff that most MGS fans probably wet their pants over....went over my head. Stuff like the Psycho Mantis part....IM like HUH? Still it didnt lame the game out IMO. Would it be cool to say it gets an 8 because I didnt know Raidens story...or any of the background stories. Return of the King was a great movie...but If You didnt see Lord of the Rings 1 and 2...you might miss a bit of history. Doesnt make the movie any less great. Right?

[QUOTE="wapahala"][QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"]

lol...yep. Kinda like that.

IIJuggaNottII

But that's like saying BigRigs is the ultimate game out there.

No its not. The gameplay was not the best, and I never liked any of the MGS4 games. So of course I would not know the story, c'mon the minor stuff like what Snake was trying to do I understood. Most of the stuff that most MGS fans probably wet their pants over....went over my head. Stuff like the Psycho Mantis part....IM like HUH? Still it didnt lame the game out IMO. Would it be cool to say it gets an 8 because I didnt know Raidens story...or any of the background stories. Return of the King was a great movie...but If You didnt see Lord of the Rings 1 and 2...you might miss a bit of history. Doesnt make the movie any less great. Right?

But what kind of overall experience does that leave you?! You didn't get the story, not a fan of the series, thought the gameplay was not that great, didn't understand most of it... I mean, those are the things that define games! The gameplay and story! Yet, you give it a 10?

[QUOTE="IIJuggaNottII"][QUOTE="wapahala"]

But that's like saying BigRigs is the ultimate game out there.

wapahala

No its not. The gameplay was not the best, and I never liked any of the MGS4 games. So of course I would not know the story, c'mon the minor stuff like what Snake was trying to do I understood. Most of the stuff that most MGS fans probably wet their pants over....went over my head. Stuff like the Psycho Mantis part....IM like HUH? Still it didnt lame the game out IMO. Would it be cool to say it gets an 8 because I didnt know Raidens story...or any of the background stories. Return of the King was a great movie...but If You didnt see Lord of the Rings 1 and 2...you might miss a bit of history. Doesnt make the movie any less great. Right?

But what kind of overall experience does that leave you?! You didn't get the story, not a fan of the series, thought the gameplay was not that great, didn't understand most of it... I mean, those are the things that define games! The gameplay and story! Yet, you give it a 10?

It was that good. They did a good job explaining..c'mon..hour long cutscenes. It has a downloadable file that tells you basically everything. They made the story where MGS fans and Casuals could understand what was "going on". Stuff like who Vamp was....I didnt know, but I knew he was a guy who I was going to have to eventually kill. A MGS fan knew, and it probably did MORE for them. Still he was an interesting character....along with the rest of the enemies. I didnt know that the BandB chicks were simular to bosses from other MGS games...they were still interesting, for a MGS fan it just did MORE. Overall whats confusing about snake crawling thru a hallway getting baked by micorwaves...or what to not understand that your going to eventually die etc? The backgrounds confused me....stuff like, Snake being a clone...or how in the world is Ocelot Snakes brother because he used snakes brothers arm? Stuff like that left me confused.

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wapahala

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

While i agree with you up to mgs 2 3 and 4 Mgs 1 was great it was fresh gameplay and fresh good story, 2 on the other hand was the same gameplay so was 3 and 4 with minimal changes or upgrades, and the story went to crap in 2 and continued in 3 and 4.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Yeh, the gameplay isn't the main focus of the series. It's average at best.wapahala

So what is there to like? The story is bad, average gameplay...

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Yeh, the gameplay isn't the main focus of the series. It's average at best.AAllxxjjnn

So what is there to like? The story is bad, average gameplay...

Then why even bother talking about it if you don't like it?

Then why even bother talking about it if you don't like it?

dream431ca

[QUOTE="wapahala"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

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Cloud_Insurance

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

You have to be a fan of the series to even slightly understand the game. A series like MGS is the kind of series you have to have liked since the start. When I played Ocarina of Time, my first Zelda game, I was amazed. I didn't have to be a fan of the earlier games to like it or understand it. Personally, LBP deserved the GOTY more than MGS simply because everybody can enjoy the game.

To like the MGS series you have to think that an arm taking over a persons mind is a good story, or that catapulting soldiers is cool, or rolling in a barrel is cool (and seems to knock soldiers out - which seems kind of odd considering these soldiers are trained men, yet, being touched by a rolling barrel knocks them out), I can go on... but I wont because more points will kill MGS fans a little inside.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="wapahala"]

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

wapahala

You have to be a fan of the series to even slightly understand the game. A series like MGS is the kind of series you have to have liked since the start. When I played Ocarina of Time, my first Zelda game, I was amazed. I didn't have to be a fan of the earlier games to like it or understand it. Personally, LBP deserved the GOTY more than MGS simply because everybody can enjoy the game.

To like the MGS series you have to think that an arm taking over a persons mind is a good story, or that catapulting soldiers is cool, or rolling in a barrel is cool (and seems to knock soldiers out - which seems kind of odd considering these soldiers are trained men, yet, being touched by a rolling barrel knocks them out), I can go on... but I wont because more points will kill MGS fans a little inside.

You have to be a fan of any series to understand and like it. The story alone is not what made MGS4 great. Its the presentation and over all production value of the game that makes it stand out. No other game in the world out today comes close. If you had played it, you would know it.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="wapahala"]

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

wapahala

You have to be a fan of the series to even slightly understand the game. A series like MGS is the kind of series you have to have liked since the start. When I played Ocarina of Time, my first Zelda game, I was amazed. I didn't have to be a fan of the earlier games to like it or understand it. Personally, LBP deserved the GOTY more than MGS simply because everybody can enjoy the game.

To like the MGS series you have to think that an arm taking over a persons mind is a good story, or that catapulting soldiers is cool, or rolling in a barrel is cool (and seems to knock soldiers out - which seems kind of odd considering these soldiers are trained men, yet, being touched by a rolling barrel knocks them out), I can go on... but I wont because more points will kill MGS fans a little inside.

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

GOTY

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wapahala

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

Metal Gear Solid is amazing. The way Hideo implemented story-telling with stealth action won't be topped. CleanPlayer

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GOTY

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desyple

GOTY here at Gamespot, yeah we know... but you absolutely HAVE to be a MGS fan to like the game.

While MGS4 wasnt my first MGS game. It was the first one that I gave more than an hour worth of play. I agree with the Love part. I love it, eventhough I can find a gang about the game that I think is funny.