So Blu-ray and 6 years of development = 7 hours of gameplay?

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

actually cows from the day blu ray was introduced

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

Countless cows did

I was expecting so much more from Heavenly Sword.RonnieLottinSF

ROFL .. this guy reminds me of how MS spends 2 billion dollars in R&D and what we get is 3 red rings...

More space to work with has nothing to do with longer games for many, MANY reasons. For example:

2) More space can also allow for better graphics, animation, sound, etc. All of which require more space the better those things are and have nothing to do with a longer game.

ZIMdoom

Blu-ray has nothing to do with better graphics or animations.

Finally I have been waiting for a game I could play in 10 different languages. I want to play a game in latin

Evo310whp

Go and get Heavenly Sword then.

let's get back to reality here, did heavenly sword invent blu-ray? no? yes that's right, blu-ray exists on its own

and the "longer gametime" statement still holds true, but there's a difference between POTENTIAL and what the developer wants to do

it's like buying a Veyron, but the driver only drives it up to 100mph... well, the fact that the driver only wants to go 100mph doesn't change the reality that the Veyron can go 250mph, all it really means is unless somebody else comes in to change that, it's going to go 100mph tops

in this case, the developers behind heavenly sword decided only to do 7 hours of gametime, instead opting to spend all their development time on sound/graphics/gameplay instead of gametime

of course, this shouldn't be a shock to anybody, because lately for most video games the trend has been "gametime doesn't mean better sales, but gameplay/graphics/sound do" i mean just look at games like Halo 3, nobody is going to buy it because the singleplayer mode is 30 bajillion hours, if it were 30 bajillion hours people would be interested, but it's not the reason so they don't really focus on it

hell i beat singleplayer gears of war in a day, and since we couldn't connect the 360 to the internet, i was done with the game completely... but i don't rag on it because way too many games are like that anyhow

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]I don't want to sound like a troll, but i want to know where these huge games that are only possible on blu ray are. cows hyped blu ray like it would make gaming on all other formats impossible. It just seems like the extra memory is being used for multiple language tracks.ZIMdoom

Show me where somebody said that huge games are only possible on BR. San Andreas was huge and it was on DVD and didn't need an HDD to run without tons of loading. We all know many RPGs are huge games too.

Lemmings love to strip everything down to the most simple and ignorant point and act as if that is the only claim they need to attack. It's called a straw man and lemmings love knocking it down and thinking they've beaten a real person.

The potential the BR provides is valuable for WAY more than just making a game longer. And giving more space and potential to developers is no guarantee they are going to make a perfect game. This game flopped on its own and has nothing to do with the potential provided by BR.

Blah blah blah, whine all you want. The simple fact? 8.0 and 7 hours. Flop. Crap. Blu-Ray = not needed for games this gen.

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]What`s with all these lemmings making trolling accounts these days?RonnieLottinSF

What is a lemming? Matter of fact, why do people call people cows and sheep in here? I have also seen the term hermit thrown around. :?

new to system wars??

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?TTDog

Cows were saying it loads after E3 '06

And they were full of it after Gears of War came out, "Its so short, its because MS stuck to crappy DVD's", maybe there wasn't room on the BR disk to allow your character to jump so they just left it out, who ever heard of a fighting/adventure game where you can't jump... feeble.

QFT!!:D

Cows claimed GEOW was short because of DVD9

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

More space to work with has nothing to do with longer games for many, MANY reasons. For example:

2) More space can also allow for better graphics, animation, sound, etc. All of which require more space the better those things are and have nothing to do with a longer game.

LosDaddie

Blu-ray has nothing to do with better graphics or animations.

Actually read the post you're quoting.

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?paullywog

well thats unlucky, becouse bluray is first and formost a HD movie format. sony just wanted people to buy movies. theirs noway a game is going too need 50gb of storage. unless its full of HDFMV or uncompressed PCM audio

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]I was expecting so much more from Heavenly Sword.weiliang_1988

ROFL .. this guy reminds me of how MS spends 2 billion dollars in R&D and what we get is 3 red rings...

Everybody knows about the red rings

Get some new material please

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

More space to work with has nothing to do with longer games for many, MANY reasons. For example:

2) More space can also allow for better graphics, animation, sound, etc. All of which require more space the better those things are and have nothing to do with a longer game.

ball_of_air

Blu-ray has nothing to do with better graphics or animations.

Actually read the post you're quoting.

Maybe you should read my post.;)

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

Half Life is arguably longer than Half Life 2.

Half Life fit on a single CD (compressed), which holds a max of 682MB

Half Life 2 fit on a single DVD, which holds considerably more (4.9GB)?.

Half Life 2 could not fit on a CD, and yet Half Life is longer.

Reasons :

• textures
• sound
• physics
• music
• lighting
• misc effects

Thats really all there is to it...

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

You would think more GB's equals more content therefore longer games,you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out lol

Half Life is arguably longer than Half Life 2.

Half Life fit on a single CD (compressed), which holds a max of 682MB

Half Life 2 fit on a single DVD, which holds considerably more (4.9GB)?.

Half Life 2 could not fit on a CD, and yet Half Life is longer.

Reasons :

• textures
• sound
• physics
• music
• lighting
• misc effects

Thats really all there is to it...

Jenova_Flare

Audio takes up the most space, by a large margin...or so I've heard..how much audio is in HL1? I think there is about 10 lines talked in that game.

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

most cows...

as for heavenly sword...Its supposed to be undoable on a dvd9. its sound taking up 10 gigs alone. yet its less then 7 hours long, and it only got an 8.0 lol.

I wonder how much of that game was useless code, crappy code, unoptimized code, and uncompressed data?

wait what? sony makes all the games now? i have never heard the "blu ray means longer games" arguement before. I have however heard the "blu-ray means more content" spin. If you don't agree that more space allows for more content, then, well, you're an idiot. However sony can guarantee all the content they want, but as long as developers don't use the available space, there isn't very much they can do about it..

I certainly remember the talka few years back that games we're nearing the limit the DVD could handle, but the truth as is see it is thus.

1.games are expensive to make 2.the longer and more content-containg you make a game, the more expensive.

3.gamers have shown a very willing attitude towards bying short, rather shallow games.

as long as you (and me) show no doubts in eating up short, near barebone games, companies will in most cases go cheap

and give us exactly what's absolutely needed, but not an inch more.. there are some acclaimed, yet almost laughably short games

on the 360 aswell(my only console this gen thus far btw)

p.s. if Sony's in-house games don't show this promised content explosion on the other hand, then it's time to question what blu-ray is doing this gen.

(^wtfisupwithgamespotthesedays?)

This is what happens when plans and production values are sent through the roof and development time stays the same.foxhound_fox

Thankyou!!!! i glad someone gets it. its cost too much money to make games like HS 10+ hours. all i know iswhen i get a PS3 i'm getting Heavenly Sword and Lair.

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?TTDog

Cows were saying it loads after E3 '06

And they were full of it after Gears of War came out, "Its so short, its because MS stuck to crappy DVD's", maybe there wasn't room on the BR disk to allow your character to jump so they just left it out, who ever heard of a fighting/adventure game where you can't jump... feeble.

Legend of Zelda? maybe

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

Darn near every cow here when they were trying to convince the world that 360 would suck without HD media.

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

I remember some cows saying that GeOW would have been around 30 hours long if it were on Blu-ray.

[QUOTE="TTDog"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?DrkLrdofSth

Cows were saying it loads after E3 '06

And they were full of it after Gears of War came out, "Its so short, its because MS stuck to crappy DVD's", maybe there wasn't room on the BR disk to allow your character to jump so they just left it out, who ever heard of a fighting/adventure game where you can't jump... feeble.

Legend of Zelda? maybe

and in Gears of War you really couldnt jump either.... so your argument makes zero sense

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?solidsnakeo

No that was the Fanboys excuses for blue ray. The only point of blue ray was for Sony to push that format out to beat HDDVD and forcing there loyal Playstation fans to flip the bill nice huh.

[QUOTE="ball_of_air"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

More space to work with has nothing to do with longer games for many, MANY reasons. For example:

2) More space can also allow for better graphics, animation, sound, etc. All of which require more space the better those things are and have nothing to do with a longer game.

LosDaddie

Blu-ray has nothing to do with better graphics or animations.

Actually read the post you're quoting.

Maybe you should read my post.;)

He's right and you are wrong. I never said Blu-Ray provides better graphics or animations. I clearly stated that the better those things get (graphics, textures, sound, animation, physics, AI, etc) the more space they take up. Therefore a game can take up much more space than a regular DVD, AND take more development time, cost more to make and not be very long.

THe arguement originally being made is that Blu-Ray must automaticallymean evey single game is 20 hours + long. That is a false claim and a straw man fallacy. The point is BR offers the potential. Could those things be done on multiple DVDs? Sure they could. But that isn't the point of this thread. The point is the assinine notion that just because BR offers the potential of more space it doesn't mean that games are going to automatically be longer. That space (and development time) can simply be used (or wasted) on other areas.

He's right and you are wrong. I never said Blu-Ray provides better graphics or animations. I clearly stated that the better those things get (graphics, textures, sound, animation, physics, AI, etc) the more space they take up. Therefore a game can take up much more space than a regular DVD, AND take more development time, cost more to make and not be very long.ZIMdoom

Actually, you're wrong and only proving your lack of game development knowledge with each of your posts. :)

Regardless of the optical drive, the PS3 will still have the same amount of RAM (512MB) as the x360.About the only thing BR would be better at is for audio tracks. In no way does the PS3 having BR mean it will have better graphics or even the capability to have better graphics/physics/AI/animations.

Graphics are dependent on the GPU, not the optical drive. The optical drives are just storage mediums. Other than drive speeds, theyhave no bearing on a console's capability.

And yet with all that vast capacity, HS only scores 8.0/10?

THe arguement originally being made is that Blu-Ray must automaticallymean evey single game is 20 hours + long. That is a false claim and a straw man fallacy. The point is BR offers the potential. Could those things be done on multiple DVDs? Sure they could. But that isn't the point of this thread. The point is the assinine notion that just because BR offers the potential of more space it doesn't mean that games are going to automatically be longer. That space (and development time) can simply be used (or wasted) on other areas.

ZIMdoom

Xbox360 owners have been saying this for years now. Cows just don't want to listen. Cows have long claimed that BR would make games longer.

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

Lots of cows.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

[QUOTE="Awinagainov"][QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

Exactly. They were pimping Blu-ray to dish out hugeworlds and bigger games, which I would think would be longer games.The power of the Blu-ray.

So what? If that is all they are going to use BD for this gen, then it is a total waste.

well blu-ray gives you more room, it doesn't mean longer, it does mean more variety usually tho. games now a days are creatd to be 7-25 hours because of the attention span of the average person, the average perosn only plays a single player for around 7 hours, thats why HS is 7 hours....if the story is good and eveyrthing else they try to make it 25 with that extra space.LibertySaint

Why thank you HS dev. Either that or you are a psychic. How the hel can you tell us WHY the game is only 7 hours?

Yet another SW thread with a TC that totally ignores the facts. What does Heavenly Sword's devs and game length have to do with blu-ray? Did they fill the disc? NO! It was the devs that decided the length, not the medium it was going on.

What a joke.

Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?Sir-Marwin105

You've got to be kidding, I can't even count the number of times I've heard DVD directly blamed for how short Gears of War is.

I was expecting so much more from Heavenly Sword.RonnieLottinSF

40 posts so far, all of them trolling attempts @ the PS3. What was the name of your account that got banned?

Thanks LonnieRottin for being a true fan...boy.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

He's right and you are wrong. I never said Blu-Ray provides better graphics or animations. I clearly stated that the better those things get (graphics, textures, sound, animation, physics, AI, etc) the more space they take up. Therefore a game can take up much more space than a regular DVD, AND take more development time, cost more to make and not be very long.LosDaddie

Actually, you're wrong and only proving your lack of game development knowledge with each of your posts. :)

Regardless of the optical drive, the PS3 will still have the same amount of RAM (512MB) as the x360.About the only thing BR would be better at is for audio tracks. In no way does the PS3 having BR mean it will have better graphics or even the capability to have better graphics/physics/AI/animations.

Graphics are dependent on the GPU, not the optical drive. The optical drives are just storage mediums. Other than drive speeds, theyhave no bearing on a console's capability.

And yet with all that vast capacity, HS only scores 8.0/10?

THe arguement originally being made is that Blu-Ray must automaticallymean evey single game is 20 hours + long. That is a false claim and a straw man fallacy. The point is BR offers the potential. Could those things be done on multiple DVDs? Sure they could. But that isn't the point of this thread. The point is the assinine notion that just because BR offers the potential of more space it doesn't mean that games are going to automatically be longer. That space (and development time) can simply be used (or wasted) on other areas.

ZIMdoom

Xbox360 owners have been saying this for years now. Cows just don't want to listen. Cows have long claimed that BR would make games longer.

I'm not talking about the PS3 though. I'm talking about Blu-Ray. Two different things. What I say is true. As graphics and things get better, games need more space. And let's be perfectly honest. Regardless of your opinion that the PS3 is bottlenecked (which I assume you are saying the PS3 is already maxed out), games NOW are already pushing more than one DVD can hold. You can make excuses all day and defend DVD until the cows come home...it's a fact.

I don't recall cows saying games will be longer. They MAY have said it has the potential for games to be longer. But if you (or any lemming) can provide a link where one single cow said BR will mean every game will be longer...I'll openly admit to being wrong.

this game has nothing to do with bluray. its been in development for about 5 years, it was originally coming out for the original xbox. if it came out on there, this game wouldve been amazing, but sadly sony bought it up and its just not up to standards for next-gen.azshorty2003

Thank you.

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?snyper1982

Lots of cows.

Do they develop games? Obviously they might its possibility, its up to devs.

umm halo 3's single player is going to be like 20-30 hours long.

umm halo 3's single player is going to be like 20-30 hours long.

jlh47

Bull. no freakin way.

I don't want to sound like a troll, but i want to know where these huge games that are only possible on blu ray are. cows hyped blu ray like it would make gaming on all other formats impossible. It just seems like the extra memory is being used for multiple language tracks.BuryMe

Must agree. Resistance was something like 18GB...with 14GB or 15GB as nothing but uncompressed audio. And we find this trend with many PS3 games. I think we have yet to see a PS3 game that even suggests it could only truly be done on the PS3 without significant texture downgrades. But this is what marketing people do: spin.

[QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"]Who the hell said that Blu-Ray meant longer games?farrell2k

Every damned cow on this board hyped bluray and it's longer games as the second coming of christ!

Yes.

One only has to reference the "zomg! disc swapping = fail!" threads and the pictures of MGS4 having 10 discs as a reminder of the cow ideology concerning Blu-ray.