So do people realize that the Xbox was the best system last gen yet?

In terms of console power and stuff, yeah.

Sales? NEVER. Games? NEVER, NEVER!!! :P

Even today 360 has utterly failed in the department. Not just the 360, but the Wii also.

PS2 is the king of games and consoles, and sales, and popularity and.......ah, you get my point. 8)

tonitorsi

umm dude NO. you cant really say a system has failed in the games department unless EVERY SINGLE game sucked or they failed to deliver a game at all. maybe the 360 games dont appeal to you but theres some REALLY good games on the 360 as well as the PS3. as far as popularity....you are SEVERELY misinformed.

(this is mainly in comparison to playstation and xbox)

One thing that i loved about last gen was that each system specialised in different areas. Compared to this gen where they are both practically the same. If you wanted shooters, wrpgs and generally more western/darker games, then the Xbox was the place to go and if you wanted jrpgs, action games, platformers and fighters, then the PS2 was where you had to go.

IMO that was a true case of not surviving with only one console (unless you werent very diverse). People will argue its better for single console owners this gen since they get a bit of everything now but for consistant multi console owners like myself, it just made it feel that each console was specific to something and i loved that.

The Xbox may have been a great console for its generation, but the PS2 just had better games and more great games.

Then why did MS cast it aside for the 360?

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

In terms of console power and stuff, yeah.

Sales? NEVER. Games? NEVER, NEVER!!! :P

Even today 360 has utterly failed in the department. Not just the 360, but the Wii also.

PS2 is the king of games and consoles, and sales, and popularity and.......ah, you get my point. 8)

slvrraven9

umm dude NO. you cant really say a system has failed in the games department unless EVERY SINGLE game sucked or they failed to deliver a game at all. maybe the 360 games dont appeal to you but theres some REALLY good games on the 360 as well as the PS3. as far as popularity....you are SEVERELY misinformed.

Besides Kotor, and halo series there wasn't any redeeming qualities about the consoles. It lacked games and had the worst game library out of the 4. I mean it had more disappointments than any other console (blinx, fable, brute force were huge flops). I mean spllinter cell was on the ps2, morrowind was on pc.

I do, & I agree with you in all of your points. But it also has to have the gaming library, & PS2 has that.

garland51

meh, only 2 games the Xbox had that imo were better then anything on the PS2's library were Jet Set Radio Future and Mechassault, but other then those 2 exceptions the PS2 imo was the far superior console. (I liked the gamecube the best out of all 3 though...)

I would have if it wasn't so much like the PC. A lot of the really good and popular games on the Xbox were on the PC and you didn't even need a good PC to run them. Our computer was mediocre and could run Fable and Halo with no problems and I had a much better experience with multiplayer on PC than Xbox. PS2 had a huge library of amazing games although it was the weakest and online was a joke. It's a clear example where games define the best console, not specs.

[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]

You weren't playing Madden online on PS2.ThePistolGod

Uh, yeah I was. For a second there you almost didn't pass off as an ignorant fanboy until this.

i haven't came to that realization and never will. i liked the xbox last gen, but the controller was awful and its game selection was lacking. ps2 had it all...

I do, & I agree with you in all of your points. But it also has to have the gaming library, & PS2 has that.

garland51

Thats a matter of taste though, i'd say that Ninja Gaiden, Halo CE, and Conker Live & Reloaded, did the job well

hmm.. I bought a ps2 because of the games, not because of its power. the xbox just didn't have so many nice games as the ps2

pitty8982

This. I recognize that the Xbox was the most superior console at the time based on hardware but in terms of games, PS2 was where it was at for me.

HD graphics - not really a big deal. How many HD tvs were there before this gen?

Built in system memory - convenient, yes, but probably contributed to the high cost of the system. Memory was a lot more expensive back then. Plus, if meant you couldn't really bring your data to a friends house and play.

Online - definitely a plus. If I have to praise Microsoft on one thing, it has to be their online gaming push.

Games - WRPGs are still best played on a PC, where the extra buttons and mods enhance the game. It's game library was kind of limited, although some definitely stand out.

I wouldn't say it's the best, but it was a pretty solid second.

hmm.. I bought a ps2 because of the games, not because of its power. the xbox just didn't have so many nice games as the ps2

pitty8982

If it was so great, why was it dropped so prematurely?

honestly last gen PS2 was all I needed... it had such a huge games library consisting of so many amazing exclusives.. At one point was going to get an Xbox or a Gamecube but changed my mind, however i was more leaning towards the Xbox..

As TC listed it had so many extra features + it was a powerful console and had a good online service, but in the end i was happy with just a PS2 & its games library so ended up buying nothing..(luckily i might add since MS dropped supportone year & a half later)..

But i do agree that Xbox isan underrated console..

Looking at it objectively, PS2 had the highest quantity and quality in it's game lineup. Xbox trumped it in terms of hardware and features, but that was about it. I don't play online much at all, actually, even owning a 360. I mostly use XBL for the game marketplace and occasional co-op games. I just don't like competitive gaming online very much at all, and every time I try to give it another go, I'm given so many good reasons within such a short amount of time that I was wrong to do so.

The system itself was awesome, the best obviously last gen. But that's it.

I like Ps2 and Gamecube more as far as games and controller goes.

If it was so great, why was it dropped so prematurely?

AntiType

Because it was costing MS an absurd amount of money to make, thanks to their issues with Nvidia. They had very little options, they really were bleeding money.

The system itself was awesome, the best obviously last gen. But that's it.

I like Ps2 and Gamecube more as far as games and controller goes.

Chutebox

Really? You'd take the GC controller over the Xbox Controller S? I mean yeah "the Duke" (the launch controller) was a tough beast to master, but to me the Controller S model erased nearly all complaints about the Xbox controller fairly quickly.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

The system itself was awesome, the best obviously last gen. But that's it.

I like Ps2 and Gamecube more as far as games and controller goes.

ViewtifulScott

Really? You'd take the GC controller over the Xbox Controller S? I mean yeah "the Duke" (the launch controller) was a tough beast to master, but to me the Controller S model erased nearly all complaints about the Xbox controller fairly quickly.

Underrated? Yes. Better than PS2? For me, no.

I only used the one that came with the system. And that was by far the worst controller I've ever used, right up there with (getting ready for some hate!) N64 controller.Chutebox

Well, if you ever play a BC Xbox game on the 360, that's pretty damn close to what playing them with a Controller S was like. Believe me, it was a day and night difference from the Duke. The 360 controller is heralded as the best traditional gaming pad ever, and really, it's just a modified Controller S.

xbox and gc were the best last gen , i dont care a frogs f a that ps2 sold more,

thats all garbage that thing cant even play 4p layers without some specail adapter , ,

yet people praise it , oh they complain now about rrod what about the 9 ps2s ive had that had dres and blown fuses ,

and av ports on my last one just went bam ,in 4 months time,

thats 2 months less use then my last 360 which rrod in 6 -7 months time ,

so ya xbox and gc were the best just as wii and 360 are now

even now sales are on par with my opinion which make my opinion stick like a fried egg on a frying pan ,

wii has no games -= bs 360 has nothing but halo=

all ps3 has is 360 ports and some first party titles that try their best to rip from one another- eg

motor storm -think excite truck with fancy graphics-which i can care less for ,

resistance=think sonys gears of war

kill zone 2-think sonys wanna be goldeneye/halo carbon copy

the only originallity i see from them is gran turismo

and socom ,

they had twisted metal -i wonder what happen there oh and thegetaway got canned in case you didnt know and sonys best bet for a third party exclusive is uknown -driver 5 ,

so yea they shot them selfs last gen without 4 player abilities they shot them selfs this time with absolutely no difference in titles between them nintendo and microsoft

and now they want more motion control give me a frwakin break nes started it wii evolved upon that very aspect and sony wants to now copy it ,

and natal is useless, -theres a few reasons to own a 360 for and this isnt one of them , ,

itll probably be 200 dollars a shot , ,

and like fps devs have already said they wont use it , valve to name one ,

i already knew gamecube n64 xbox dreamcast are the supierer to ps2 /1

lol each gen besides this one sony has been so far behind , it isnt even funny , and now they finally get a shot ahead they are some how behind again

first it was no 4 player right out of the box no hdd no music now its

not many good games in comparision to those on wii /.360 as far as exclusives go ,and they get the worst multiplats because its harder to develop for ps3 even the devs of this new game its in my gi i forgot the name but they say the 360 and pc were easier to develope for ,

and ps3 was a hard to develope for case

even ps2 was , , just look at the re4 port,

you can tell or the timesplitters 2 -i can play with all bots in multiplayer on xbox/gc but i cant on ps2 ,

it restricts number of ai , ,on it ,

so ya it i agree 100 percent , no one gave xbox credit no one even gave nintendo credit rockstar should have gave us gta 3 vice city as originally planned,

driver3 shouldndt have got canned,

we wouldnt be seeing wii ports if it werent for this,

its pathetic with a capital p ,

from the monopoly that sony had all the way to this gens where sony fans claim oh the wii has no games , ,

and the 360 is just down right unreliable ,

but wait a minute isnt these the same people who stood by a unrelaible ps2 last gne , lol

must be pretty sad , and now they have 7 contorllers available to use out of the box they dont even utilize 2 ,, ,

its all online only slight few games are split screen now, so sony you heard me right - you did this when it was far too late ,

and i for one dont want to hear , , oh the wii is a gamecube 1.5 especally from ps fans whos first console was a snes 1.5

and whoms second is a dreamcast and a half ,

without the legendary sega nintendo icons of course lol ,

psp go no its more like psp no

249 buys a wii and that is almost as portable as it , they sell protable dvd players, go get one , sit in car or where ever has a out let ,

bam , ,,

heck you can bring any console with ya ,, lol as long as it has av inputs,

i have a 7 inch protable dvd player dual that only costed me 150 , , thats 100 cheaper then a psp go ,

and when i travel i can bring a snes a nes a n64 ps1 ps2 wii gc xbox xbox360 ps3 , you name it , i can bring it , so ya sony i dont even wanna know what the go is ,

all it is is a 90 more for the same product over agian , the psp 3000 can download the same titles onto a 16 gig mem stick there would be no difference ,

its sad , , sony stoops to these tactics lately ,

when the last 2 gens have been a 300 console at launch or a 199 portable at launch

now its double the price for its flagship console and 25 percent higher for a psp go ,

pretty darn sick tactics,

i for one hope sony continues this downward spiral , at least nintendo keeps the price below 300 , ,

not once have i payed 300 for a nintendo console and over 400 for a 360 , lol i paid 300 for my 360 ,

so ya good luck sony fanatics and your path to glory , ,

because next gen its gonna look somthing like this ,

wii 2 with ps3 like graphics

ps4 with ps3 like graphics or less

720 with a tad more then wii2 ps4 like graphics,

and then we will see whats what ,

sony has already claimed their going with the same old tactic used by nintendo next gen lol ,

and the catch is wii 2 will be fully caught up ,

aND then what will you people complain about next since

1 all consoles will be motion sensing

2 all consoles will most likely be just as powerful knowing nintendo though theyll add one little twist to set them selfs apart once agian

sales prove what works , the most powerful always lost sales wise, besides the first 2 gens any way , , due to the fact sega was dull to begin with, when in comparison , they tried to much into arcade so ya

just like sony rolled the dice with -ps3

and the 3 hr long lasting psp lol

Just wondering if because of their new systems Cows and Sheep had a new appreciation to how awesome the Xbox was. A couple "next-gen" features that the Xbox had are listed below that I just wanted to reiterate.

Online play - The Xbox had/has great online play. Sports, racing, shooters etc. XBL on Xbox is still better online then the Wii has. Comparable to PSN though PSN is better with home and downloadable titles. Still do you guys see how awesome it was last gen playing online with people? I know PSN was up and had a couple games (Socom comes to mind) and GCN had Phantasy Star. But neither was near the level of XBL.

High Def Graphics - Well Sheep might not know too much about this one either as the Wii doesn't even have the HD capability's that the Xbox had, but close enough. Last gen almost every (or every?) Xbox game was available in at least ED 480p. Lots of games did support 720p or 1080i also.

Built in system Memory - Xbox was the fisrt console with a harddrive. It was great no longer using (& Losing)memory cards. I'm sure you guys are loving this now too.

Xbox-type games - This one is more for the Cows. Last gen Tom Clancy games on the PS2 where a joke. Now you guys get to play the REAL Rainbow 6, etc. Also Western RPGs like ES III & Fable weren't on the PS2. PS3 is still lacking slightly in this area, but you do get great WRPGs like ES IV & Fallout 3. Really going back to the online thing isn't it awesome playing games like Burnout, CoD, etc online ?!

I doubt that the Xbox will ever truly get its props for how great and advanced this system was. So I would imagine most responses to this will either be that I'm a blind fan boy or that PS2 owns all. Well I disagree with the later as far as the former I have owned all 7 consoles from the last 2 gens (DC,GC,Xbox,PS2,Wii,360,PS3), so...

So does anyone have a new appreciation for the Xbox?

Edit forgot about Madden and changed it.

SpideR_CentS

It was technically advanced, yes, but to say it was better is wrong. Plain and simple, wrong. Also, PS2 supported 480p, even the PS2 was able to crank out 1080i with the GT4 engine. It was awesome. The PS2 was so much weaker yet it could do that. I think thats cool to be honest. Anyway, PS2 sold over 140 million. Xbox only sold about 24. Games on PS2 were better, though Xbox had some great games. Sadly they were all overshaddowed by the curse Halo is. (you have no idea what kind of games you missed out on)

15:23:18Anyone saying that ps2 isn't the best doesn't own one.

nhh18

I had a ps2 and I didn't like it. Yea it had the GTA series but they ran like crap. The ps2 graphics really bothered me. It would make your eyes bleed from the jaggies, especially if you were used to playing on the pc.

All the ps2 games should have been done in 2d. Good lord devil may cry is the biggest jagfest that will break your tv screen if you play it too much. Oh and let's not forget those washed out colors. Bully on 360 is 100x better because of the color improvement alone.

The xbox had good graphics but a lame library. It was the best console if you just wanted to play madden and halo.

My favorite was the gamecube. Though it didn't have the same library as the ps2 I still felt that the quality titles made up for it. The graphics were so much smoother and they didn't chug like so many ps2 games. The ps2 is the most overrated console of all time.

I don't care for shooters, so to me, it wasn't the best.

PS2 is one of my favorite systems ever, and gamecube was fun sometimes, although it got boring pretty fast.

= bs 360 has nothing but halo=mariokart64fan

Opinions are all fine and dandy, and if you don't like the games on the 360, more power to you. But saying the 360 only has Halo is patently, absolutely, ridiculously and absurdly wrong. The 360 has an incredibly diverse and high quality lineup of games that makes it the true spiritual successor to the PS2 in terms of game library. As for your logic that sales prove what works, does that mean Nintendo should cancel Metroid: Other M? Afterall, mini game stuff sold better than any of the Metroid Prime games, apparently that is "what works".

gamecube was fun sometimes, although it got boring pretty fast.avatar_genius

That's because quality games releases were absurdly few and far between. That actually hasn't changed with the Wii at all. Just that instead of absolutely nothing in between truly high quality Wii games, you get a cubic ton of gimmicky shovelware. They solved the quantity issue, but missed the mark by a mile on quality.

LOL, it was trash, thats why it had a 5 year lifespan, barellyyy, with its only good game being halo and a buncha ps2 ports, ps2 is still going strong in its 10th year, xbox sucked

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]gamecube was fun sometimes, although it got boring pretty fast.ViewtifulScott

That's because quality games releases were absurdly few and far between. That actually hasn't changed with the Wii at all. Just that instead of absolutely nothing in between truly high quality Wii games, you get a cubic ton of gimmicky shovelware. They solved the quantity issue, but missed the mark by a mile on quality.

It's because they are trying to cater to the lowest common denominator, i.e the casual crowd.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

15:23:18Anyone saying that ps2 isn't the best doesn't own one.

dc337

I had a ps2 and I didn't like it. Yea it had the GTA series but they ran like crap. The ps2 graphics really bothered me. It would make your eyes bleed from the jaggies, especially if you were used to playing on the pc.

All the ps2 games should have been done in 2d. Good lord devil may cry is the biggest jagfest that will break your tv screen if you play it too much. Oh and let's not forget those washed out colors. Bully on 360 is 100x better because of the color improvement alone.

The xbox had good graphics but a lame library. It was the best console if you just wanted to play madden and halo.

My favorite was the gamecube. Though it didn't have the same library as the ps2 I still felt that the quality titles made up for it. The graphics were so much smoother and they didn't chug like so many ps2 games. The ps2 is the most overrated console of all time.

Serious? You thought the GC was the best? It had good games, but you obviously seem to ONLY care about graphics. PS2 had great graphics for its time as well.zero_snake99

No I played 95% of the time on the pc last gen so when I wanted to play a console game I didn't want it to look like it was from 1997. The ps2 was more like a ps1.5. Yea the GTA games were cool but I just waited for the pc versions since they didn't chug if you had too many cops chasing you.

The ps2 had good graphics if it had to draw jaggy cliffs, spears or ice caves. It was also good for 2d graphics.

I never thought that the ps2 had good graphics for its time. I always thought they were bland and jaggy. A lot of the early games looked no better than n64 classics.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]It was garbage. American made console for american tastes only. Everybody else looked at that ugly behemoth in disgust. Like Baseball, American Football and Chevy trucks, made to be generaly loved ONLY by the people of the stripes and stars nation.ThePistolGod

..because baseball isn't the most popular sport in Latin America though, no not at all.

This is System Wars, not Nation Wars. Take your anti-America posts to Off Topic where you can discuss "America fails: The 209034034th edition because OT has nothing else to talk about! (besides religion)"

God of War II is better looking than all of the XBOX gamesKurdish-Gamer

15:23:18Anyone saying that ps2 isn't the best doesn't own one.

god of war/god of war 2

ico/sotc

ffx, ff12, kingdom hearts, kingdom hearts 2,

persona 3, and persona 4

MGS2/MGS3

GTA 3, GTA SA, and GTA VC

DMC 1, DMC 3

Ratchet and Clank, Jak, and Sly series

Okami

nhh18

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

15:23:18Anyone saying that ps2 isn't the best doesn't own one.

god of war/god of war 2

ico/sotc

ffx, ff12, kingdom hearts, kingdom hearts 2,

persona 3, and persona 4

MGS2/MGS3

GTA 3, GTA SA, and GTA VC

DMC 1, DMC 3

Ratchet and Clank, Jak, and Sly series

Okami

unknown37

ps2 > the rest. No contestkergon07

I love the PS2, I never get bored of it.

The original Xbox wasn't even comparable to the PS2 imo. PS2's library was just godlike.

It wasn't the best it barely beats out the DC for me. With the PS2 so far out in front that you'd need a telescope to see it.

Not to knock it as a system because I know I had some of the best gaming moments playing RTCW on Live. (I was 5th in the world @ one point) and there was was good titles not named halo as well but it just got dwarfed by the PS2 and rightfully so the PS2 just had it all while those features you mentioned were nice and a welcome the sheer number of awesome titles only available on the PS2 last gen was insurmountable.

I would say the PS2 and Xbox were tied.

I don't know if it was the best overall, but I had fun with it. Playing Halo, Halo 2, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell, Fable, NFL2k4&5 etc. were a blast.