So far, im not really liking PC gaming.

So after all this talk about the PC gaming being superior to console gaming, I decided to pick up a nice computer and two games (GTAIV, Fallout 3). I hooked it up and tried to install and play both games, but ive yet to have the oppurtunity to play either. After installing Fallout 3 I can play the game for around a minute before it decides to just crash. My computer can run it just fine, as the game reccomended I play on High settings.

GTAIV.... Is just a horrible mess to simply start playing. Im still trying to get through this process. I believe its just the whole games for windows LIVE situation thats ruining my gaming experience, and it appears im not the only one having problems with GTAIV for the PC (reading an article posted on N4G). Im not giving up on it, but as of now I really don't care how much better games look on the PC. The simplicity to pick up and play a game for the consoles is definently a benefit.

Thats because you got a Bethesda game (meaning its going to have loads of bugs) and a messy port. Get some Valve, Blizzard, and Crytek games perhaps. You might be having more fun then.Skittles_McGee

QFT

Valve and Blizzard have produced some of the most fun I've ever had on PC gaming... only Crytek game I've played was Crysis and thats pretty amazing too

And I only like MP based FPS... Couth_

[QUOTE="Couth_"]And I only like MP based FPS... Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Thats because you got a Bethesda game (meaning its going to have loads of bugs) and a messy port. Get some Valve, Blizzard, and Crytek games perhaps. You might be having more fun then.Inger1

QFT

Valve and Blizzard have produced some of the most fun I've ever had on PC gaming... only Crytek game I've played was Crysis and thats pretty amazing too

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Couth_"]And I only like MP based FPS... Couth_

Its things like this that turned me off gaming on PC.

Consoles have one set of hardware, so when a game is released on that platform, they generally work like they should do.

Its just much less of a PITA

It's not for everyone, and when devs get lazy, it can be a bit of a hassle. As someone pointed out, with the exception of Stalker: CS, you managed to pick the two buggiest games of the year. :P

Its things like this that turned me off gaming on PC.

Consoles have one set of hardware, so when a game is released on that platform, they generally work like they should do.

Its just much less of a PITA

angryfodder

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Couth_"]And I only like MP based FPS... Couth_

Why are you waiting... battlefield is a great game.

Play older game snot just the new ones.

So after all this talk about the PC gaming being superior to console gaming, I decided to pick up a nice computer and two games (GTAIV, Fallout 3). I hooked it up and tried to install and play both games, but ive yet to have the oppurtunity to play either. After installing Fallout 3 I can play the game for around a minute before it decides to just crash. My computer can run it just fine, as the game reccomended I play on High settings.

GTAIV.... Is just a horrible mess to simply start playing. Im still trying to get through this process. I believe its just the whole games for windows LIVE situation thats ruining my gaming experience, and it appears im not the only one having problems with GTAIV for the PC (reading an article posted on N4G). Im not giving up on it, but as of now I really don't care how much better games look on the PC. The simplicity to pick up and play a game for the consoles is definently a benefit.

Logan832

Your first mistake was buying a Games for Windows title.

NEVER BUY THAT IF YOU CAN ALSO FIND IT ON STEAM!

Second one was, as alot of people said you chose the 2 buggiest PC games ever.

I suggest you get Steam, buy The Orange Box, CS:S, Call of Duty, Far Cry 2.

i love Fallout 3 but GTa4 on pc seemed rushednaruto7777

Never had a probleme with fallout 3 on PC.

I know what you mean I've been trying to get into PC gaming more but I just don't like it as much. The only genres I prefer on the PC are MMOs, RTS, and Sims. I bought both Oblivion and Call of Duty 4 for PC and I just didn't like using the keyboard. The mouse is nice for aiming in FPS but the keyboard can be aggravating cause theirs so many buttons. I actually just re bought Oblivion and CoD4 for the 360.Zero5000X

Too many buttons? How is that a bad thing. Your hand stays in one place for the entire time unless you're typing, hitting sec, or have binded other keys on the other side.

Having a lot of buttons means you can customize. Don't like a key's placement? Change it. This also means you have lean function, prone, type function, and other commands console games don't have.

This also means you have lean function, prone, type function, and other commands console games don't have.bladeeagle

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"] This also means you have lean function, prone, type function, and other commands console games don't have.lowe0

Yes but they're not in all Console FPSes while in almost all PC fpses, they are implemented.

COD4 console version may have prone but it doesn't have lean.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"] This also means you have lean function, prone, type function, and other commands console games don't have.bladeeagle

Yes but they're not in all Console FPSes while in almost all PC fpses, they are implemented.

COD4 console version may have prone but it doesn't have lean.

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Since when do console FPS not have prone and/or lean functions? I've seen both in console shooters. Consider CoD4, where a quick tap crouches and a slightly longer hold goes prone. Just because it's not implemented the way it is on a PC doesn't mean a console can't do it.lowe0

Yes but they're not in all Console FPSes while in almost all PC fpses, they are implemented.

COD4 console version may have prone but it doesn't have lean.

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You mean like in Gears of war?

Step 1: Download Steam

Step 2: Buy The Orange Box

Step 3: Buy Crysis (and Warhead if desired)

Step 4: Buy Titan Quest and expansion

Step 5: Buy Medieval 2: Total War

Step 6: Enjoy thousands of hours of enjoyment

Might even want to give an MMO a try, they have free trials for all of them.

xI highly recomend trying all the genres pc gaming has to offer. Also try some of the older games too, some genres are hard to find like for exmaple ocean fantasy ones that have seemed to have died.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TSxXAY4xks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1SbWBs4lYQ

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

Yes but they're not in all Console FPSes while in almost all PC fpses, they are implemented.

COD4 console version may have prone but it doesn't have lean.

bladeeagle

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You mean like in Gears of war?

To put it another way - what does a lean key allow you to do that a cover system does not? Hide behind something? Check. Look out from behind it? Check. Fire from behind it without fully exposing yourself? Check. It's simply a different way of achieving the same goal. Leaning isn't implemented via separate keys on consoles, because a better way of handling the same task is already common.

Yeah. Gears, while not a FPS (though it plays a lot like one), implements leaning via a cover system. Think about it: what do you use leaning for? To look around something (or even fire around it) without exposing yourself. That's exactly what cover systems do. Look at Killzone 2's implementation, for instance - you barely peek an eye around the wall when you're in cover, until you lean out to fire.

To put it another way - what does a lean key allow you to do that a cover system does not? Hide behind something? Check. Look out from behind it? Check. Fire from behind it without fully exposing yourself? Check. It's simply a different way of achieving the same goal. Leaning isn't implemented via separate keys on consoles, because a better way of handling the same task is already common.

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Yeah. Gears, while not a FPS (though it plays a lot like one), implements leaning via a cover system. Think about it: what do you use leaning for? To look around something (or even fire around it) without exposing yourself. That's exactly what cover systems do. Look at Killzone 2's implementation, for instance - you barely peek an eye around the wall when you're in cover, until you lean out to fire.

To put it another way - what does a lean key allow you to do that a cover system does not? Hide behind something? Check. Look out from behind it? Check. Fire from behind it without fully exposing yourself? Check. It's simply a different way of achieving the same goal. Leaning isn't implemented via separate keys on consoles, because a better way of handling the same task is already common.

agentfred

My point is, leaning is already a solved problem. Console FPS don't need lean buttons because a better solution already exists. Prone - now that's something that needs to be standardized, but again, a perfectly good solution is already well-known. If console developers aren't putting these things in their shooters, it's not because no one knows how to make it work on the limited buttons of a gamepad - it's because they're choosing not to have them in their game.

If its not running correctly, more often than not its your own fault; letting crapware infest your computer, or messing things up results in it.

GTA IV is an exeption, its a horrible port.

Exactly alike, as in refuses to break 1st-person even for a second? None. First-person with snap-to-3rd on cover is a lot more common (see Rainbow Six Vegas), or 3rd-person with snap-to-1st on aiming from cover (see Metal Gear Solid 4).

My point is, leaning is already a solved problem. Console FPS don't need lean buttons because a better solution already exists. Prone - now that's something that needs to be standardized, but again, a perfectly good solution is already well-known. If console developers aren't putting these things in their shooters, it's not because no one knows how to make it work on the limited buttons of a gamepad - it's because they're choosing not to have them in their game.

lowe0

Its really a matter of it working. Honestly I think the trend in rechargeable health is a massive skid-mark on gaming in quite a few respects, as its not implemented thoughtfully or correctly for the context, nor does it enhance the design; Its just lazy.

As for cover, a lean button - in PC shooters usually does the trick just fine. An example of a game who's combat is made far worse without a lean button is Far Cry 2, next to a game like STALKER, which also has strong focus on cover in combat.

Thats because you got a Bethesda game (meaning its going to have loads of bugs) and a messy port. Get some Valve, Blizzard, and Crytek games perhaps. You might be having more fun then.Skittles_McGee