So far, PS3 is one of the biggest commercial flops in console gaming history

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

In context, the 3DO was a mild success then? This really only works in context. The PS3 is doing just fine, outside of context, hence ... it's not a failure.

The race between the 360 and the PS3 is pretty close as well.

The PS3 may be a "surprise" and a "disappointment," but those are the only things that context can really indicate. Of course you can believe words can mean whatever you want them to, and you're free to do that I guess.

hakanakumono

Compared to the heights the PS2 reached its a failure!

*shakes head in disbelief*

lol why are you cows arguing otherwise? The TC is looking at market share! That's a quantifiable way of comparing the PS2 Vs the PS3. The TC isn't even saying it's a 'bad' console or even that it won't end up being a moderaten success.

Comparisons don't indicate failure. Failure indicates failure.

No, he is. He's also denying that its an investment.

Compared to the 'Playstation 2', it is a failure! lol sheesh

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

ahem *cough* http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=2 *cough*... what was that again?

TheNextOrder

He seems to have a habit of ignoring any real proof that people bring up. I wonder if he'll look at this.

I was talking about the Wii :|

Cows :lol:

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

Compared to the heights the PS2 reached its a failure!

*shakes head in disbelief*

lol why are you cows arguing otherwise? The TC is looking at market share! That's a quantifiable way of comparing the PS2 Vs the PS3. The TC isn't even saying it's a 'bad' console or even that it won't end up being a moderaten success.

DAZZER7

Comparisons don't indicate failure. Failure indicates failure.

No, he is. He's also denying that its an investment.

Compared to the 'Playstation 2', it is a failure! lol sheesh

I don't think you can call a system a failure unless it really is a failure, but you can call it what you want. I will agree that sony is doing very poorly this gen in comparison with previous success.

I'm not really going to deny that the PS3 is doing badly. It is. And its a lesson sony should learn from.

It's the other statements by the TC that are problematic.

But the PS3 is an investment by sony, could make money for sony in the future, and the thread has made it unclear whether or not sony has actually lost as much money with the PS3 that they've made with the PS2. In fact, it seems that its false, judging from the language in the article that states that sony's PS3 losses are equal to five years of the PS2.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="TheNextOrder"]I don't have the time or inclination to continue responding to you 15+ Cows that have posted. It seems my words of truth have angered the heard.

TheNextOrder

You really just can't come up with anything to combat the points that we've made. And its increasingly evident that your logic is faulty, which is why people are calling you on statements that you've made.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that would be you. :roll:

You posted an argument based on context, but refused to address the context that other users provided, evidence that there were other "failures" larger than the PS3 with your argument in mind, posted evidence that did not back up your claims, and were unable to grasp the concept of an "investment"

I know that PS3 has the least sales but I did not think that they are losing this much. :(Bhoone

They might not be. The article he posted compared it to 5 years of the PS2, not its entire lifespan.

[QUOTE="TheNextOrder"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

You really just can't come up with anything to combat the points that we've made. And its increasingly evident that your logic is faulty, which is why people are calling you on statements that you've made.

hakanakumono

Actually, I'm pretty sure that would be you. :roll:

You posted an argument based on context, but refused to address the context that other users provided, evidence that there were other "failures" larger than the PS3 with your argument in mind, posted evidence that did not back up your claims, and were unable to grasp the concept of an "investment"

Edited on Feb 23, 2009 10:40 am GMT

Let me mark it. Overuse of the words "context" & "investment". No clue that you got pwn3d.

F for fail. Sorry :(

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="TheNextOrder"]I've made a fool out of you for 5 pages and while you may have the heard behind you, it's plain as day for anyone else to see should they decide to read through it. Goodnight ;)TheNextOrder

Actually, I'm pretty sure that would be you. :roll:

You posted an argument based on context, but refused to address the context that other users provided, evidence that there were other "failures" larger than the PS3 with your argument in mind, posted evidence that did not back up your claims, and were unable to grasp the concept of an "investment"

Edited on Feb 23, 2009 10:40 am GMT

Let me mark it. Overuse of the words "context" & "investment". No clue that you got pwn3d.

F for fail. Sorry :(

Yeah, using words that explain the situation is totally uncalled for! Who uses words for their meaning anyways? You can just use words and make them mean whatever you want. Like "Failure."

I thought I'd sum it up.

So people think that unless PS3 reaches the 100+ million mark it will be a failure ?? wow people have extremely high standards in terms of sales when it comes to PS3..

Hhmmm so why dont we put the 100+ million mark as STANDARD for all the home console systems currently available & that have ever been released ??? wow the list i made practically has all systems that have been released since 1st generation with the exception of PS1 & PS2... :)

back on topic PS3 did loose a huge part of the market share but saleswise its not doing bad considering it is the most expensive system out of the 3 consoles currently available (4 if you count PS2)...

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="TheNextOrder"] I've made a fool out of you for 5 pages and while you may have the heard behind you, it's plain as day for anyone else to see should they decide to read through it. Goodnight ;)TheNextOrder

Actually, I'm pretty sure that would be you. :roll:

You posted an argument based on context, but refused to address the context that other users provided, evidence that there were other "failures" larger than the PS3 with your argument in mind, posted evidence that did not back up your claims, and were unable to grasp the concept of an "investment"

Edited on Feb 23, 2009 10:40 am GMT

Let me mark it. Overuse of the words "context" & "investment". No clue that you got pwn3d.

F for fail. Sorry :(

I think the real question is, Why do you care about this so much? Do you own Sony stock? Do you work for Sony? Do you lose or gain money on whether Sony sells PS3's or not? Really, I don't understand why people care about sales. As a gamer you should only care about a few things. You should care about whether a game is coming to the system you own or not. You should care about when the game is being released, how much the game will cost, and if it will be good or not. Thats it. If good games are being released, and your console doesn't break every 5 seconds, you should be happy. why should you care if x company makes x amount or loses x amount of dollars?

PS3 isn't going anywhere. That is the bottom line. If they lost a bunch of money or made a bunch of money is for Sony to worry about, not us. You are coming off like a fanboy trying to prove something worthless to gamers. 21 million people(and counting) are enjoying the console. Thats all that matters. The PS1/PS2 sold more systems than basically every other system ever released combined. To do that 3 times in a row would have been unprecidented. You are just making an issue over nothing. How about you just go play some games.

[QUOTE="TheNextOrder"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that would be you. :roll:

You posted an argument based on context, but refused to address the context that other users provided, evidence that there were other "failures" larger than the PS3 with your argument in mind, posted evidence that did not back up your claims, and were unable to grasp the concept of an "investment"

Edited on Feb 23, 2009 10:40 am GMT

mazdero

Let me mark it. Overuse of the words "context" & "investment". No clue that you got pwn3d.

F for fail. Sorry :(

I think the real question is, Why do you care about this so much? Do you own Sony stock? Do you work for Sony? Do you lose or gain money on whether Sony sells PS3's or not? Really, I don't understand why people care about sales. As a gamer you should only care about a few things. You should care about whether a game is coming to the system you own or not. You should care about when the game is being released, how much the game will cost, and if it will be good or not. Thats it. If good games are being released, and your console doesn't break every 5 seconds, you should be happy. why should you care if x company makes x amount or loses x amount of dollars?

This is systemwars and the sales and success of a console are an integral part of the console war should you or should you not choose to acknowledge it.

PS3 isn't going anywhere. That is the bottom line. If they lost a bunch of money or made a bunch of money is for Sony to worry about, not us. You are coming off like a fanboy trying to prove something worthless to gamers. 21 million people(and counting) are enjoying the console. Thats all that matters. The PS1/PS2 sold more systems than basically every other system ever released combined. To do that 3 times in a row would have been unprecidented. You are just making an issue over nothing. How about you just go play some games.

Nah, on this night I preferred pwnin some noobs.

So people think that unless PS3 reaches the 100+ million mark it will be a failure ?? wow people have extremely high standards in terms of sales when it comes to PS3..

Hhmmm so why dont we put the 100+ million mark as STANDARD for all the home console systems currently available & that have ever been released ??? wow the list i made practically has all systems that have been released since 1st generation with the exception of PS1 & PS2... :)

back on topic PS3 did loose a huge part of the market share but saleswise its not doing bad considering it is the most expensive system out of the 3 consoles currently available (4 if you count PS2)...

Malta_1980

Dude, the TC is comparing it against the PS2! Of course its a failure 'when compared to the PS2!" But so is just about every other console. The point he was making is the Sony has fallen from a great height. On its own, the PS3 will most likely be a success in the end but not compared to the PS2. Thats the point.

Guys, sometimes, just sometimes it is ok to accept a criticism or negative point regarding your system if it happens to be true. I'm primarily a PC gamer and I accept there are little annoyances to my favourite platform. Sometimes you just have to say "fair point!"

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

So people think that unless PS3 reaches the 100+ million mark it will be a failure ?? wow people have extremely high standards in terms of sales when it comes to PS3..

Hhmmm so why dont we put the 100+ million mark as STANDARD for all the home console systems currently available & that have ever been released ??? wow the list i made practically has all systems that have been released since 1st generation with the exception of PS1 & PS2... :)

back on topic PS3 did loose a huge part of the market share but saleswise its not doing bad considering it is the most expensive system out of the 3 consoles currently available (4 if you count PS2)...

DAZZER7

Dude, the TC is comparing it against the PS2! Of course its a failure 'when compared to the PS2!" But so is just about every other console. The point he was making is the Sony has fallen from a great height. On its own, the PS3 will most likely be a success in the end but not compared to the PS2. Thats the point.

Guys, sometimes, just sometimes it is ok to accept a criticism or negative point regarding your system if it happens to be true. I'm primarily a PC gamer and I accept there are little annoyances to my favourite platform. Sometimes you just have to say "fair point!"

infact i did say that PS3 (Sony) did loose a huge market share, but while some posters might discuss stuff in a logical way others just utilise certain threads as an excuse to bash.. me pointing out that with the exception of PS1 & PS2 none other console reached the 100million mark was intentionally done to remind fanboys that PS3 was the only console that had much to live up due to its predecessors' enormous success..

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

So people think that unless PS3 reaches the 100+ million mark it will be a failure ?? wow people have extremely high standards in terms of sales when it comes to PS3..

Hhmmm so why dont we put the 100+ million mark as STANDARD for all the home console systems currently available & that have ever been released ??? wow the list i made practically has all systems that have been released since 1st generation with the exception of PS1 & PS2... :)

back on topic PS3 did loose a huge part of the market share but saleswise its not doing bad considering it is the most expensive system out of the 3 consoles currently available (4 if you count PS2)...

Malta_1980

Dude, the TC is comparing it against the PS2! Of course its a failure 'when compared to the PS2!" But so is just about every other console. The point he was making is the Sony has fallen from a great height. On its own, the PS3 will most likely be a success in the end but not compared to the PS2. Thats the point.

Guys, sometimes, just sometimes it is ok to accept a criticism or negative point regarding your system if it happens to be true. I'm primarily a PC gamer and I accept there are little annoyances to my favourite platform. Sometimes you just have to say "fair point!"

infact i did say that PS3 (Sony) did loose a huge market share, but while some posters might discuss stuff in a logical way others just utilise certain threads as an excuse to bash.. me pointing out that with the exception of PS1 & PS2 none other console reached the 100million mark was intentionally done to remind fanboys that PS3 was the only console that had much to live up due to its predecessors' enormous success..

You just seemed to take exception to the point the TC was making. It's a fair point in my opinion, afterall, this is system wars where we discuss each system, it's merits and success. In that way, it is certainly relevant to weigh up how the consoles stand in comparison to the previous generation. The Xbox brand has gained market share this gen where the playstation brand has lost significantly. It still retains a sizeable chunk and is currently building upon that. It just appeared from your post that you took exception to the TC and his point. I honestly didn't think he was particularly bashing the PS3.

Pathetic, its like if Sony didnt sell +100mil ps3's on launch day it would prolly be a flop.

Take it easy fanboys. The console is great with awesome games and more on the way.

It has sold 21mil and it launched in march 2007 in Europe and if we are to believe Sonys 10y plan...

Stop hating and get a ps3 haters.

Pathetic, its like if Sony didnt sell +100mil ps3's on launch day it would prolly be a flop.

Take it easy fanboys. The console is great with awesome games and more on the way.

It has sold 21mil and it launched in march 2007 in Europe and if we are to believe Sonys 10y plan...

Stop hating and get a ps3 haters.

-Reggaeton-

It's pathetic to point out that the PS3 is not doing as well as the PS2? In system wars where we discuss the relative success or failure of a given system? To suggest anything negative bout the PS3 like the TC has done is to be a hater? Better yet, a hater/fanboy?

Why do you cows always react this way? lol

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Pathetic, its like if Sony didnt sell +100mil ps3's on launch day it would prolly be a flop.

Take it easy fanboys. The console is great with awesome games and more on the way.

It has sold 21mil and it launched in march 2007 in Europe and if we are to believe Sonys 10y plan...

Stop hating and get a ps3 haters.

DAZZER7

It's pathetic to point out that the PS3 is not doing as well as the PS2? In system wars where we discuss the relative success or failure of a given system? To suggest anything negative bout the PS3 like the TC has done is to be a hater? Better yet, a hater/fanboy?

Why do you cows always react this way? lol

If you read the rest of the thread you would see that the TC moves from calling it a failure in the context of the PS2 to a commercial failure overall and doubts that PS3 will ever make Sony any money at all.

I really only had beef over the word "Failure" originally, but honestly - you are right that it is doing very poorly in comparison to the PS2. That is a fair point.

But the TC disregarded all further contextual information that people provided when his own argument was almost solely based on context and misreading an article that he posted in his top post. While you may have been pointing out that there is a decent argument, the TC bordered on trolling throughout the thread.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]

Pathetic, its like if Sony didnt sell +100mil ps3's on launch day it would prolly be a flop.

Take it easy fanboys. The console is great with awesome games and more on the way.

It has sold 21mil and it launched in march 2007 in Europe and if we are to believe Sonys 10y plan...

Stop hating and get a ps3 haters.

hakanakumono

It's pathetic to point out that the PS3 is not doing as well as the PS2? In system wars where we discuss the relative success or failure of a given system? To suggest anything negative bout the PS3 like the TC has done is to be a hater? Better yet, a hater/fanboy?

Why do you cows always react this way? lol

If you read the rest of the thread you would see that the TC moves from calling it a failure in the context of the PS2 to a commercial failure overall and doubts that PS3 will ever make Sony any money at all.

I really only had beef over the word "Failure" originally, but honestly - you are right that it is doing very poorly in comparison to the PS2. That is a fair point.

But the TC disregarded all further contextual information that people provided when his own argument was almost solely based on context and misreading an article that he posted in his top post. While you may have been pointing out that there is a decent argument, the TC bordered on trolling throughout the thread.

I'll hold my hand up and say that I only skimmed through most of the thread (something I often criticise others for :p) and so missed the part where he said the PS3 is a failure. It will only be failure (from a business point of view) if it doesn't make a profit for Sony. Considering that we're halfway through a generation, that is a silly assumption to make and whilst I wouldn't necessarily use the word pathetic, I would say the TC is being very short sighted. No one can really call the PS3 a failure yet. It's steadily building momentum and could be quite a success.

PS3 is a good console that deserves to be doing better than it is, but there are many here trying to paint it into a success and that's the furthest thing from the truth. It's lost billions and lost Sony 80% of their marketshare, and over 60% of the overall console marketshare in a single generation. No other console has done this before, nor has any console ever gone from first place to last place in a single generation. Need I remind you that it took Nintendo 2 generations to go from first with the Super Nintendo, second with the N64, to third with the Gamecube. No other console has ever accomplished this. So if you want to go by money and marketshare lost, the PS3 is the biggest failure of a console ever created.

Actually, incredibly Sony has lost more on the PS3 than they made with the PS2 ... http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169439

TheNextOrder

Great thread. YOu hit on an issue I've been talking about here for a while now; MARKETSHARE. :)

In the context of System Wars, the PS3 can easily be seen as a failure:

• Significant loss of marketshare from last gen
• Far less exclusives from 3rd Party devs

The PS Brand is no longer dominant. In fact, the PS3 will be lucky if it can retain 50% of the PS2's marketshare. Sony completely misjudged brand loyalty and now they are firmly in 3rd place.

In reality, the only "success' for the PS3 thus far is blu-ray winning. The PS3 will eventually become profitable, but certainly less profitable than it could have been if most marketshare was retained from last gen.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

It's pathetic to point out that the PS3 is not doing as well as the PS2? In system wars where we discuss the relative success or failure of a given system? To suggest anything negative bout the PS3 like the TC has done is to be a hater? Better yet, a hater/fanboy?

Why do you cows always react this way? lol

DAZZER7

If you read the rest of the thread you would see that the TC moves from calling it a failure in the context of the PS2 to a commercial failure overall and doubts that PS3 will ever make Sony any money at all.

I really only had beef over the word "Failure" originally, but honestly - you are right that it is doing very poorly in comparison to the PS2. That is a fair point.

But the TC disregarded all further contextual information that people provided when his own argument was almost solely based on context and misreading an article that he posted in his top post. While you may have been pointing out that there is a decent argument, the TC bordered on trolling throughout the thread.

I'll hold my hand up and say that I only skimmed through most of the thread (something I often criticise others for :p) and so missed the part where he said the PS3 is a failure. It will only be failure (from a business point of view) if it doesn't make a profit for Sony. Considering that we're halfway through a generation, that is a silly assumption to make and whilst I wouldn't necessarily use the word pathetic, I would say the TC is being very short sighted. No one can really call the PS3 a failure yet. It's steadily building momentum and could be quite a success.

Exactly. It's an investment, which I tried to explain to the TC. We're currently in the stage where it's not making money, but its losing less money than before. Production costs continue to go down, and in a couple years Sony could very well make a profit.

The problem is that with the PS3 everything is so entirely slow, it wouldn't really be feasable to release a PS4 without making a serious profit from the PS3. Like the article he posted said, the PS2 also cost sony a lot of money the first couple of years - but the PS3 is costing much more. So, if you view that as a pattern, then imagine what a PS4 could do to Sony if they release another console at a loss.

IMO ps3 is far from a failure, well if you compare the sales to the previous gen then yeah, but then again if you're going to do that then wii, 360 and ps3 are all failures. It edo-tensei

:lol: That's not how it works.

If you compared the X360 and Wii to the Xbox1 and GCN, then they are considered successes. When you compare the PS3 to the PS2, then you see how far Sony/PS Brand has fallen this gen. From dominant to last place

[QUOTE="TheNextOrder"]

PS3 is a good console that deserves to be doing better than it is, but there are many here trying to paint it into a success and that's the furthest thing from the truth. It's lost billions and lost Sony 80% of their marketshare, and over 60% of the overall console marketshare in a single generation. No other console has done this before, nor has any console ever gone from first place to last place in a single generation. Need I remind you that it took Nintendo 2 generations to go from first with the Super Nintendo, second with the N64, to third with the Gamecube. No other console has ever accomplished this. So if you want to go by money and marketshare lost, the PS3 is the biggest failure of a console ever created.

mazdero

Because no other console manufacturer sold 100+million units 2 generations in a row. The biggest failure of a console ever created is probably the 3DO.None of this matters. The PS3 is an awesome gaming console. Stop hating.

The 3DO never really got off the ground, too many people had there hands in it.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]IMO ps3 is far from a failure, well if you compare the sales to the previous gen then yeah, but then again if you're going to do that then wii, 360 and ps3 are all failures. It LosDaddie

:lol: That's not how it works.

If you compared the X360 and Wii to the Xbox1 and GCN, then they are considered successes. When you compare the PS3 to the PS2, then you see how far Sony/PS Brand has fallen this gen. From dominant to last place

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]IMO ps3 is far from a failure, well if you compare the sales to the previous gen then yeah, but then again if you're going to do that then wii, 360 and ps3 are all failures. It edo-tensei

:lol: That's not how it works.

If you compared the X360 and Wii to the Xbox1 and GCN, then they are considered successes. When you compare the PS3 to the PS2, then you see how far Sony/PS Brand has fallen this gen. From dominant to last place

i agree, wii has the worst library by far of any console that sold above 20M units

I haven't read any of the posts in this thread but I'll assume it's going something like this:

-Haters are overly exaggerating the situation
-Lovers are overly downplaying the situation
-Reality is somewhere in between

Am I right?

I'm new here. Is marketshare looked at from under the same light as sales or do we play that?Silverbond

According to fanboys with degrees in economics, the only way to look at this is by comparison to last gen's consoles' success.
So in that regards, the PS3 is considered a failure until it sells more than the PS2.

The Wii and 360, for some reason, don't have to meet those standards. They can just sell 1 unit more than last gen and they are considered successes.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]IMO ps3 is far from a failure, well if you compare the sales to the previous gen then yeah, but then again if you're going to do that then wii, 360 and ps3 are all failures. It edo-tensei

:lol: That's not how it works.

If you compared the X360 and Wii to the Xbox1 and GCN, then they are considered successes. When you compare the PS3 to the PS2, then you see how far Sony/PS Brand has fallen this gen. From dominant to last place

Yes, the GCN was seen as a failure. The GCN sold less than the N64 did. The GCN's failure made Nintendo realize they couldn't compete with Sony and MS on the "core" gaming front, which made Nintytarget a different demographic of gamers. That's why we have the Wii with motion controls.

And I'd argue marketshare is very important to us gamers, not just manufacturers. With increased marketshare, Xbx360-only gamers have played more 3rd party games (DMC4, FFXIII, VF5, Tekken6, RE5, GTA4 on launch day, etc) than they did last gen.

Increased marketshare has made developers want to develop on the Wii too.

Sales / Marketshare are definitely one way to gauge a console's success.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]IMO ps3 is far from a failure, well if you compare the sales to the previous gen then yeah, but then again if you're going to do that then wii, 360 and ps3 are all failures. It edo-tensei

:lol: That's not how it works.

If you compared the X360 and Wii to the Xbox1 and GCN, then they are considered successes. When you compare the PS3 to the PS2, then you see how far Sony/PS Brand has fallen this gen. From dominant to last place

I just wants cow's to tell me what the ps3 is a success in besides blu ray :?Gh0st_Of_0nyx

How about matching the 360 in console sales for each of the 2 years that the PS3 has been out? Both consoles sold over 10 million consoles in 2008. So if the PS3 failed in 2008, so did the 360 as far as console sales go, and the PS3 reached those numbers without having to drop its price below $400.

I'll hold my hand up and say that I only skimmed through most of the thread (something I often criticise others for :p) and so missed the part where he said the PS3 is a failure. It will only be failure (from a business point of view) if it doesn't make a profit for Sony. Considering that we're halfway through a generation, that is a silly assumption to make and whilst I wouldn't necessarily use the word pathetic, I would say the TC is being very short sighted. No one can really call the PS3 a failure yet. It's steadily building momentum and could be quite a success.

It was inevitable that Sony would lose marketshare this generation because so many more people are gaming this gen than last. Last gen you had a gamecube that didn't do much and Xbox that was released way to late into the gen and then the PS2. The PS2 was the best system and had a huge marketshare. This gen you finally have 3 competitive consoles.

If at the end of the PS3's life cycle it still sells 100 million or atleast close to 100 million even with the loss of marketshare would you still considered it a failure? It very well could happen. Sony is over 20 million which is 1/5th of the way there in 2 years. In a 10 year life cycle the PS3 is on pace to sell 100 million+

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]I just wants cow's to tell me what the ps3 is a success in besides blu ray :?lolfaqs

How about matching the 360 in console sales for each of the 2 years that the PS3 has been out? Both consoles sold over 10 million consoles in 2008. So if the PS3 failed in 2008, so did the 360 as far as console sales go, and the PS3 reached those numbers without having to drop its price below $400.

That's a nice way to spin things.

It makes sense too, until you consider how dominant the PS2 was. Simply matching the X360 is more of a success for MS, not Sony.

If at the end of the PS3's life cycle it still sells 100 million or atleast close to 100 million even with the loss of marketshare would you still considered it a failure? It very well could happen. Sony is over 20 million which is 1/5th of the way there in 2 years. In a 10 year life cycle the PS3 is on pace to sell 100 million+

CajunShooter

Considering how the PS2 hit 100M in 6yrs, I wouldn't consider the PS3 selling 100M in 10yrs a success

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]I just wants cow's to tell me what the ps3 is a success in besides blu ray :?LosDaddie

How about matching the 360 in console sales for each of the 2 years that the PS3 has been out? Both consoles sold over 10 million consoles in 2008. So if the PS3 failed in 2008, so did the 360 as far as console sales go, and the PS3 reached those numbers without having to drop its price below $400.

That's a nice way to spin things.

It makes sense too, until you consider how dominant the PS2 was. Simply matching the X360 is more of a success for MS, not Sony.

How's it a spin? Both consoles sold almost the exact same amount in 2008 despite the 360 being cheaper going into 2008 and slashing its price even further near the end of 2008. So it's a spin to say that both consoles still nearly the same amount in 2008?

Is it also a spin to say that the 360 was released an entire year ahead of the PS3 and Wii?

Is it a spin to say Sony has managed to sell over 10 million consoles in 2007 and sold about the same in 2008?

[QUOTE="TheNextOrder"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

There are bigger failures in history. Even the saturn was worse off than the PS3.

I may not know much about economics, but isn't the marketshare also related to the non gaming division?

hakanakumono

It's really more about Sony's fall, more than the PS3 as a failure. And yes, nintendo fell just as far in the 90s after the snes. N64 might have done decently in the west, but in Japan it was dismally behind botht he saturn and the playstation.

Nintendo got cocky in the 90s and fell on their face. Sony did the same thing this generation. It's really a repeat of history.

Nintendo was still smart enough to make money off N64 and even GC. Whereas Sony has made blunder after blunder lately...keeping the prices of their TVs so high compared to Samsung...then getting owned forcing them to cut production. PS3 being a financial blackhole. Nintendo might have had 2 sales flops with N64 and GC...but at least they still know how to make money. Can't say the same for Sony anymore.

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[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

How about matching the 360 in console sales for each of the 2 years that the PS3 has been out? Both consoles sold over 10 million consoles in 2008. So if the PS3 failed in 2008, so did the 360 as far as console sales go, and the PS3 reached those numbers without having to drop its price below $400.

lolfaqs

That's a nice way to spin things.

It makes sense too, until you consider how dominant the PS2 was. Simply matching the X360 is more of a success for MS, not Sony.

How's it a spin? Both consoles sold almost the exact same amount in 2008 despite the 360 being cheaper going into 2008 and slashing its price even further near the end of 2008. So it's a spin to say that both consoles still nearly the same amount in 2008?

Is it also a spin to say that the 360 was released an entire year ahead of the PS3 and Wii?

Is it a spin to say Sony has managed to sell over 10 million consoles in 2007 and sold about the same in 2008?

You missed the point.

You consider the PS3 matching the X360 in sales a success?

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]If at the end of the PS3's life cycle it still sells 100 million or atleast close to 100 million even with the loss of marketshare would you still considered it a failure? It very well could happen. Sony is over 20 million which is 1/5th of the way there in 2 years. In a 10 year life cycle the PS3 is on pace to sell 100 million+

LosDaddie

Considering how the PS2 hit 100M in 6yrs, I wouldn't consider the PS3 selling 100M in 10yrs a success

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]If at the end of the PS3's life cycle it still sells 100 million or atleast close to 100 million even with the loss of marketshare would you still considered it a failure? It very well could happen. Sony is over 20 million which is 1/5th of the way there in 2 years. In a 10 year life cycle the PS3 is on pace to sell 100 million+

CajunShooter

Considering how the PS2 hit 100M in 6yrs, I wouldn't consider the PS3 selling 100M in 10yrs a success

But it still took 4 more years to hit that goal. And lost a ton of marketshare getting there.

If you want to already assume the PS3 will hit 100M, then you must also assume the X360 will hit that goal too since their sales are equal. And don't forget the Wii.

Realistically though, I don't see all 3 consoles hitting 100M. The Wii might, but the x360 and PS3 probably won't. At least not before their successor comes out.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="TheNextOrder"]True, but Sega never dominated like Sony did. So one can argue that Sony fell further.AvIdGaMeR444

It's really more about Sony's fall, more than the PS3 as a failure. And yes, nintendo fell just as far in the 90s after the snes. N64 might have done decently in the west, but in Japan it was dismally behind botht he saturn and the playstation.

Nintendo got cocky in the 90s and fell on their face. Sony did the same thing this generation. It's really a repeat of history.

Nintendo was still smart enough to make money off N64 and even GC. Whereas Sony has made blunder after blunder lately...keeping the prices of their TVs so high compared to Samsung...then getting owned forcing them to cut production. PS3 being a financial blackhole. Nintendo might have had 2 sales flops with N64 and GC...but at least they still know how to make money. Can't say the same for Sony anymore.

It's not as if Sony didn't make money off of the PS2 and its not like they wont make money off of the PS3 eventually.

Yes, nintendo is smart for making consoles that they can sell and make a profit off each console. But Sony knows how to make money, its just a risk and an investment. It'll eventually pay off, but not as much as it could have if the PS3 had done better. It just takes time.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Considering how the PS2 hit 100M in 6yrs, I wouldn't consider the PS3 selling 100M in 10yrs a success

LosDaddie

But it still took 4 more years to hit that goal. And lost a ton of marketshare getting there.

If you want to already assume the PS3 will hit 100M, then you must also assume the X360 will hit that goal too since their sales are equal. And don't forget the Wii.

Realistically though, I don't see all 3 consoles hitting 100M. The Wii might, but the x360 and PS3 probably won't. At least not before their successor comes out.

Sony would be stupid to so carelessly release another console before making a considerable profit off of the current one.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]I'm new here. Is marketshare looked at from under the same light as sales or do we play that?Joust_

According to fanboys with degrees in economics, the only way to look at this is by comparison to last gen's consoles' success.
So in that regards, the PS3 is considered a failure until it sells more than the PS2.

The Wii and 360, for some reason, don't have to meet those standards. They can just sell 1 unit more than last gen and they are considered successes.

This is an internet forum that discusses various game platforms, where topics such as game libraries, console features, performance, sales, popularity and even market share are discussed! Yep fancy that!

Also, yes the 360 and Wii can be compared and when done so, only the Wii really measures up to the PS2 in terms of sales. But overall, its an interesting and relevant point to discuss. Let me ask you though, why do you take such exception to the topic?