So if NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long, why is bluray needed again??

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#1 bigboss5ak
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I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

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#2 0rin
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How many discs is NG2? :D

NOTE: storage space =/= game length. The main difference between blu-ray and DVD is a LOT less compressed textures/sounds and you can generally put longer/higher-quality cutscenes/CG in (to me thats important for story telling)

So yeah. Length of the game is totaly up to the developer. While you could, in theory, probably put a longer game on a blu-ray than you could on a DVD, it doesn't mean every game on blu-ray is going to be 100 hours+. Don't be silly.
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#3 taikthebate
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Because Oblivion was over 100 hours but used three different textures throughout the game.
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It's said to be 30 hours long? Where did you hear that (seriously)?
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#5 DeadMan1290
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How many discs is NG2? :D0rin

How long is NG Black? And how many disks did it need?

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Obviously they are used for the 20hours of HD cutscene's used in MGS4!

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#7 Cedmln
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Read what you just said:

"So if NG2 is set to be over 30 hours"

That means it is their goal that they yet not achieved yet and no one knows if it will be on multiple disks.

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#8 Mad_Rhetoric
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NG2 rules!!!

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#9 kevy619
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cutscenes take up alot of space, for the most part xbox games arent big on cut scenes though. Oh, and by the way Itagaki said the game would be 30 hours long and of course it will be on one disk. Dont let sony fool you.
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To make cows feel important.:lol:
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I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

bigboss5ak

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

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It's said to be 30 hours long? Where did you hear that (seriously)?TyrantDragon55

I heard it I just dont have a link, but im sure m not the only one who heard this.

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#13 ZimpanX
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It's said to be 30 hours long? Where did you hear that (seriously)?TyrantDragon55

xbox.com

btw the extra storage capacity is rarely used to make games longer, just look at PS1 vs N64. They are often used for imropved sound quality, better textures, high quality cinematics etc.

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There is no way this game is 30+ hours long, the first one was around 12 hours long.In order to make a 30 hour game, you would need an incredible budget, especially for this type of game, probably 40-50 million $ budget.
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There is no way this game is 30+ hours long, the first one was around 12 hours long.In order to make a 30 hour game, you would need an incredible budget, especially for this type of game, probably 40-50 million $ budget.numba1234


for some reason MS is publishing the game :roll:
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Because Oblivion was over 100 hours but used three different textures throughout the game.taikthebate

pretty much what I was gonna say.....I'm not advocating that blu-ray is needed (obviously it's not) but it is nice to have it.

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There is no way this game is 30+ hours long, the first one was around 12 hours long.In order to make a 30 hour game, you would need an incredible budget, especially for this type of game, probably 40-50 million $ budget.numba1234

well it's published by MS this time around

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#18 kevy619
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[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

SolidTy

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

Ninja Gaiden isnt a short game, lol. Even if you are an expert, NG easily lasts 20 hours.

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#19 blackace
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I never thought that Blu-Ray was ever needed. What pisses me off is PS3 developers make these new games on Blu-Ray and they can be beaten in less then 10hrs. Lair, Heavenly Sword, etc..are all weekend rentals. I thought Blu-Ray was suppose to help make games like these longer. I honestly didn't expect any PS3 games to be shorter then 20hrs. What developers are doing is using up large chucks of memory for music, sound effects, CGI movies and other crap instead of using that memory for the actual gameplay. I also thing that publishers and developers don't want to spend the extra time and money to extend these games with longer levels and environments. This needs to change, expecially when games now cost $60.
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There is no way this game is 30+ hours long, the first one was around 12 hours long.In order to make a 30 hour game, you would need an incredible budget, especially for this type of game, probably 40-50 million $ budget.numba1234

The first was 20 hours long genius, its not God of War 2.

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#21 Mad_Rhetoric
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[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

SolidTy

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

:lol: at you

then why are the 360 versions of games always better

your logic fails

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#22 numba1234
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[QUOTE="numba1234"]There is no way this game is 30+ hours long, the first one was around 12 hours long.In order to make a 30 hour game, you would need an incredible budget, especially for this type of game, probably 40-50 million $ budget.kevy619

God of war 2 was a 9 hour game. NG was a 12 hour game for me. And thanks for calling me a genious.

The first was 20 hours long genius, its not God of War 2.

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#23 blackace
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

kevy619

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

Ninja Gaiden isnt a short game, lol. Even if you are an expert, NG easily lasts 20 hours.

Right. It's definitely longer then Heaven Sword and Lair. That's for sure.

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[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

Mad_Rhetoric

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

:lol: at you

then why are the 360 versions of games always better

your logic fails

Like dirt?

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[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

blackace

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

Ninja Gaiden isnt a short game, lol. Even if you are an expert, NG easily lasts 20 hours.

Right. It's definitely longer then Heaven Sword and Lair. That's for sure.

Not to mention, when you die and restart at the last save it doesnt increase the recorded gameplay time. So most people actually spend 30 hours playing Ninja Gaiden, but the game is 20 hours long.

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#26 kevy619
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[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

taikthebate

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

:lol: at you

then why are the 360 versions of games always better

your logic fails

Like dirt?

Extra months of development time can help alot. Dont believe me? Check out the pc version of dirt, unless you are going to tell me that the ps3 outclasses a high end pc.

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[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Because Oblivion was over 100 hours but used three different textures throughout the game.MikeE21286

pretty much what I was gonna say.....I'm not advocating that blu-ray is needed (obviously it's not) but it is nice to have it.

I'm not sure its needed at all, would you rather have a game where the developer had to work out how things could be done to the greatest efficiency or a developer who just thinks "Stuff that, I'm doing the easiest thing I can think of that gives the same effect because there's all this unused space on the disk."

Its been seen in films where a cheap independant film (such as the original Evil Dead) looked way better than big budget films (such as Terminator 3) because they had to be innovative to produce the effects and looks they wanted, not to just throw cash at the problem and hope it goes away.

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#28 elementz28
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It's said to be 30 hours long? Where did you hear that (seriously)?TyrantDragon55

Yeah when they did announce NG2 is 3o hours long??? They barely showed it at this tgs..the game will probaly come out around middle of next year or end..

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[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

kevy619

Disc Space isn't about Game Length. It's about Sound, Graphical Fidelity, AI, etc.

Anyways, NG2 won't be 30hrs long, that's a joke anyways. The difficulty is what is keeping it long, not how big the game is. NG is incredibly short, yet tough.

:lol: at you

then why are the 360 versions of games always better

your logic fails

Like dirt?

Extra months of development time can help alot. Dont believe me? Check out the pc version of dirt, unless you are going to tell me that the ps3 outclasses a high end pc.

Was that my point? Because I don't think it was.

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#30 elementz28
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Read what you just said:

"So if NG2 is set to be over 30 hours"

That means it is their goal that they yet not achieved yet and no one knows if it will be on multiple disks.

Cedmln

No one knows his acting like its set to 30 hours..useless thread..anyone can make a thread so if ng2 is 15 hours blue ray is needed...

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#32 kevy619
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[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

Read what you just said:

"So if NG2 is set to be over 30 hours"

That means it is their goal that they yet not achieved yet and no one knows if it will be on multiple disks.

elementz28

No one knows his acting like its set to 30 hours..useless thread..anyone can make a thread so if ng2 is 15 hours blue ray is needed...

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/n/ninjagaiden2/default.htm

advertised as 30 hours right on the official website.

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NG2 rules!!!

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#34 taikthebate
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Your point is the only way a ps3 game could be better is to release it on 360 first and then work upon that for months to release the ps3 version.

Sounds right to me

DoctorBunny

My point is that there is a multiplat game that is better on the PS3, but good thing your here to twist it up. Thanks :)

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[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

Your point is the only way a ps3 game could be better is to release it on 360 first and then work upon that for months to release the ps3 version.

Sounds right to me

taikthebate

My point is that there is a multiplat game that is better on the PS3, but good thing your here to twist it up. Thanks :)

No. Your the one acting like 1 better MultiPlat game that the PS3 got wipes out all the other really bad ports/multiplats.

1 Vs 5+ ...erm yeah the PS3 has better multiplats. :| no you fail.

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Because Oblivion was over 100 hours but used three different textures throughout the game.taikthebate

way to exagerate. Oblivion had tons of high-res textures

Fallout 3 should be even better. Also on 360.

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[QUOTE="0rin"]How many discs is NG2? :DDeadMan1290

How long is NG Black? And how many disks did it need?

Did you read the rest of his post? Blu-ray doesn't make games longer, it gives developers more storage space to work with so that they can make games longer.
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[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

Your point is the only way a ps3 game could be better is to release it on 360 first and then work upon that for months to release the ps3 version.

Sounds right to me

sadikovic

My point is that there is a multiplat game that is better on the PS3, but good thing your here to twist it up. Thanks :)

No. Your the one acting like 1 better MultiPlat game that the PS3 got wipes out all the other really bad ports/multiplats.

1 Vs 5+ ...erm yeah the PS3 has better multiplats. :| no you fail.

That wasn't my point. He said NO multiplat is better on the PS3, so I brought up Dirt, thats it.

I wasn't acting like anything so you fail for trying to hard but missing every point completely.

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[QUOTE="taikthebate"]Because Oblivion was over 100 hours but used three different textures throughout the game.Uncle_Uzi

way to exagerate. Oblivion had tons of high-res textures

Fallout 3 should be even better. Also on 360.

Obviously exaggerating. Do you think a game would only have three textures?

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the graphics will probal stink and the gameplay will be horrible and the cameras,

and you never know with blue ray you could have a 60 hour game

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I remember I kept hearing ppl say blue ray is needed for gaming but when a game like NG2 is set to be over 30 hours long and a game like HS is only about 5 or 6 hours long than why is blue ray needed again?? Can anyone refresh my memory cuz either Ive gone stevie wonder andjust dont see it or maybe its somthing else I just dont understand.

bigboss5ak

What a retard length has nothing to do with space. Detail has to do with space.

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#42 k-diddy66
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Read what you just said:

"So if NG2 is set to be over 30 hours"

That means it is their goal that they yet not achieved yet and no one knows if it will be on multiple disks.

Cedmln

And microsoft have been working on trying to make tools to allow even more on dvd9 discs.also its either gonna be the most action packed 30 hours or like most games,20 hours of gameplay and 10 hours of video:roll:
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the graphics will probal stink and the gameplay will be horrible and the cameras,

and you never know with blue ray you could have a 60 hour game

7trees2apples


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#44 taikthebate
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[QUOTE="7trees2apples"]

the graphics will probal stink and the gameplay will be horrible and the cameras,

and you never know with blue ray you could have a 60 hour game

-wii60-



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#45 tylea002
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Obviously they are used for the 20hours of HD cutscene's used in MGS4!

sadikovic

LOL. Of course NG2 will be on one disc, and it will be this length standard. Not forgetting the incredible replay value that that series has. Theoretically NGB lasts forever!

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#46 Dencore
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:lol: Did the TC just refer that 30 hours is a long game?

Wow seems that those who have moved on to the current gen have forgotten how long the average game was.

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#47 Michael85
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It's not needed. All these PS3 games with "teh 40 gigs of teh game" in them are PR propoganda. In reality, it's about 4 gigs of actual gaming and 36 gigs of filler crap.
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#48 -Ninja_Dog-
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I think Blu Ray has its advantage. It prevents developers from needing to compress the game.I think.
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NG2 rules!!!

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well said sir!
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#50 Adrian_Cloud
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DMC4>NG2
In the end we all win. Bluray>DVD9