So in the end, is MGS4 a system seller?

I've heard a variety of responses and decided to see if I could compile them into one thread :DShadow_op

imo no. the game doesnt cater to the broad audience. i cannot see it as a system seller. not bashing the game, it could be really good but its still for really hardcore mgs fans. it proberly cause a little spike in sales because of all the hardcore mgs fans waiting for it to come out so they have a point to buy a ps3. other then that no. SunLord592

what made halo's generic gameplay a system seller?

Of course it is.

Its not going to be a Halo like system seller.. but it will still definently get people to buy the console. Probably already has made people buy the console.

nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?prodiqy32

[QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?silverammo

nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?prodiqy32

didnt splinter cell come out after mgs? if thast what ur refering

I JUST made a response to this question with sources and everything. I really should use bookmarks.

The short answer is yes. Every other game's been a huge multiplatinum release. They really need to make sure they market this game properly, though and keep it inviting for newcomers.

[QUOTE="SunLord592"]imo no. the game doesnt cater to the broad audience. i cannot see it as a system seller. not bashing the game, it could be really good but its still for really hardcore mgs fans. it proberly cause a little spike in sales because of all the hardcore mgs fans waiting for it to come out so they have a point to buy a ps3. other then that no. Animal-Mother

what made halo's generic gameplay a system seller?

you just answered your own question sport. The accessability, funfactor, and fanfare of Halo made it into a system seller. The average consumer, and most gamers that arent necessarily MGS fans aren't going ot care too much about how "innovative, story driven, and unbelievably great, the gameplay may be."

I think it may be fun, but it's not enough for me to run out and dump 460 bones for a PS3 and a game.Halo gives players online gaming,making it something you want to get in on on day one. With MGS I'll be able to buy it next gen if i want, when PS3 is 200 dollars.

[QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?TheJuiceyBar

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?mtron32

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

i think its called mgs3, and the remake was aaa.

[QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?TheJuiceyBar

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?mtron32

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

[QUOTE="mtron32"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?silverammo

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

No matter if it recieved AAA or not doesn't discount the fact that the controls were jacked. Just because you forced yourself to get used to crack doesn't mean everyone needs to do it as well.

As for my Mother, she doesn't play videogames too often. I'd say something about your mom, but I'd rather not speak ill of the mother of my children. Seeing as though came from my loins one would think you'd have respect for your own father, even though you seem to have none for yourself. I feel sorry for your mother, I told her I'd call andI never did, it must have been hard on her. Did she remarry? She must've tricked some poor sap into thinking he got her pregnant, that's why you allways get a blood test.

Of course it is. Each installment of the series sells millions, the highest being MGS2 at 7 million copies sold worldwide. It's as much a system seller as Halo, Mario, Gears of War, Final Fantasy etc etc. A lot of people here are seriously under-estimating the fanbase - it's not just a little niche market you know.

[QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="mtron32"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?mtron32

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

No matter if it recieved AAA or not doesn't discount the fact that the controls were jacked. Just because you forced yourself to get used to crack doesn't mean everyone needs to do it as well.

As for my Mother, she doesn't play videogames too often. I'd say something about your mom, but I'd rather not speak ill of the mother of my children. Seeing as though came from my loins one would think you'd have respect for your own father, even though you seem to have none for yourself. I feel sorry for your mother, I told her I'd call andI never did, it must have been hard on her. Did she remarry? She must've tricked some poor sap into thinking he got her pregnant, that's why you allways get a blood test.

[QUOTE="SunLord592"]imo no. the game doesnt cater to the broad audience. i cannot see it as a system seller. not bashing the game, it could be really good but its still for really hardcore mgs fans. it proberly cause a little spike in sales because of all the hardcore mgs fans waiting for it to come out so they have a point to buy a ps3. other then that no. Animal-Mother

what made halo's generic gameplay a system seller?

if it's a great game, and kojima fixes the controls(seriously, they're broken.), i predict the american media will hail it as some kind of undiscovered innovative game which has never been done before.

[QUOTE="mtron32"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="mtron32"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?silverammo

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

No matter if it recieved AAA or not doesn't discount the fact that the controls were jacked. Just because you forced yourself to get used to crack doesn't mean everyone needs to do it as well.

As for my Mother, she doesn't play videogames too often. I'd say something about your mom, but I'd rather not speak ill of the mother of my children. Seeing as though came from my loins one would think you'd have respect for your own father, even though you seem to have none for yourself. I feel sorry for your mother, I told her I'd call andI never did, it must have been hard on her. Did she remarry? She must've tricked some poor sap into thinking he got her pregnant, that's why you allways get a blood test.

funny, your mother said it felt like a horse had mounted her when we concieved you my dear boy.

nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?prodiqy32

what? :lol:

Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.King_of_Sorrow

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.Erkidu

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

[QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="mtron32"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="mtron32"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?mtron32

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

No matter if it recieved AAA or not doesn't discount the fact that the controls were jacked. Just because you forced yourself to get used to crack doesn't mean everyone needs to do it as well.

As for my Mother, she doesn't play videogames too often. I'd say something about your mom, but I'd rather not speak ill of the mother of my children. Seeing as though came from my loins one would think you'd have respect for your own father, even though you seem to have none for yourself. I feel sorry for your mother, I told her I'd call andI never did, it must have been hard on her. Did she remarry? She must've tricked some poor sap into thinking he got her pregnant, that's why you allways get a blood test.

funny, your mother said it felt like a horse had mounted her when we concieved you my dear boy.

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.King_of_Sorrow

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

[QUOTE="mtron32"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="mtron32"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="mtron32"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="silverammo"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]nope. ubisoft showed kojima how to make a stealth game. metal gear and its ridiculous story seems dumb. hopefully they will fix the aim, the camera, and kill snake off already. it is a good game......id call it a great game. but how can it sale systems if its not even the best game in the genre on the system?silverammo

I can also add that the controls were jacked in MGS3 as well. How do you have a stealth game in the jungle with no first person or over the shoulder view.

No matter if it recieved AAA or not doesn't discount the fact that the controls were jacked. Just because you forced yourself to get used to crack doesn't mean everyone needs to do it as well.

As for my Mother, she doesn't play videogames too often. I'd say something about your mom, but I'd rather not speak ill of the mother of my children. Seeing as though came from my loins one would think you'd have respect for your own father, even though you seem to have none for yourself. I feel sorry for your mother, I told her I'd call andI never did, it must have been hard on her. Did she remarry? She must've tricked some poor sap into thinking he got her pregnant, that's why you allways get a blood test.

funny, your mother said it felt like a horse had mounted her when we concieved you my dear boy.

I did, I made a play on YOUR words son. I guess it's hard to think when you still have rectal pains from those tricks you had to turn to raise money for that PS3. How are those stretchmarks on your mouth doing?

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.Erkidu

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

Okay, so are you saying there are no system seller on the PS2?

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.King_of_Sorrow

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

Okay, so are you saying there are no system seller on the PS2?

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.Erkidu

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

Um, the PS2 hadn't always sold 120 million units - that's where your argument falls flat. You're forgetting that MGS2 sold 7 million units at a time when the PS2 had *only* sold about 20-40 million units (2001 - 2003). That's a very respectable attach ratio if you ask me, and definite system seller material.

Um, the PS2 hadn't always sold 120 million units - that's where your argument falls flat. You're forgetting that MGS2 sold 7 million units at a time when the PS2 had *only* sold about 20-40 million units (2001 - 2003). That's a very respectable attach ratio if you ask me, and definite system seller material.

-Spock-

I actually was going to say that about thw 120 million thing, but more important is his defintion of a system seller. Why is it the ratio matters? Also, if you going to call a game a system seller base on ratio what is the percentage a game must have?

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.-Spock-

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

Um, the PS2 hadn't always sold 120 million units - that's where your argument falls flat. You're forgetting that MGS2 sold 7 million units at a time when the PS2 had *only* sold about 20-40 million units (2001 - 2003). That's a very respectable attach ratio if you ask me, and definite system seller material.

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

Um, the PS2 hadn't always sold 120 million units - that's where your argument falls flat. You're forgetting that MGS2 sold 7 million units at a time when the PS2 had *only* sold about 20-40 million units (2001 - 2003). That's a very respectable attach ratio if you ask me, and definite system seller material.

King_of_Sorrow

I actually was going to say that about thw 120 million thing, but more important is his defintion of a system seller. Why is it the ratio matters? Also, if you going to call a game a system seller base on ratio what is the percentage a game must have?

I see MGS4 as more of an "auxiliary" system-seller...

While I'm sure there's at least 1000 die-hard MGS fans that will be getting a ps3 for it...I think most people will look at MGS as a side-bonus to the more mainstream system sellers.

GTA4 will sell systems.

However, because it's multiplat, potential buyers will be looking at other games to support it.

For example, an MGS fan buying a next-gen console for GTA...would get a ps3 instead of a 360.

That's about as far as I'd go calling MGS a "system seller".

I honestly hope not. Anyone buying a system to drop themselves into a plot that deep is a fool - seriously, it's the end of the saga. NAPK1NS

true, kojima did say he was going to stop after 3 though, and let another team work on the series.

[QUOTE="-Spock-"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.Erkidu

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

Um, the PS2 hadn't always sold 120 million units - that's where your argument falls flat. You're forgetting that MGS2 sold 7 million units at a time when the PS2 had *only* sold about 20-40 million units (2001 - 2003). That's a very respectable attach ratio if you ask me, and definite system seller material.

You don't get it, its as simple as this.
MGS3 sold a 3 million copies when there were 110 million + PS2's in the market. Meaning that either 3 million PS2 owners that already had PS2 bought it, or a mix of new owners that bought PS2 for the game bought as well which can be encorparated into the 120+million sales figure that we have now.

MGS2 sold 7+ million when the PS2 had a smaller base, so what you can assume is that 7 million poeple out of the 30 million(?) bought PS2 for MGS2, or 7 million people bought it leading to the increase that later happened in PS2 sales.

Only way you can be sure is to check the sales charts? Are you going to do that...no. because you alrady have a pre conceived notion that MGS is not a system seller. The amount of pre-oders for MGS2 should speak for themselves, people can only play this game on PS3, so they bought PS3 to play the game.

Well I'm buying a PS3 especially for MGS4, so for me it's a system seller

Ok - so PS2 owners were only allowed to buy MGS3 immediately after it launched? :| That makes perfect sense....oh, wait... It doesn't.Erkidu

You have misunderstood me, that's why. I am only using MGS2 as an example since it was released at an early date in the PS2's life cycle. Forget MGS3 for a minute - it's MGS2 that was the system seller, since it sold 7 million units by the time the PS2 had so far sold approx. 40 million units out of its 120 million potential. Sure, i'd agree with you in saying that it wasn't a system seller if the PS2 had sold all 120 million units by the time MGS2 had launched in 2001, but that just wasn't the case. There were only about 20-25 million PS2 units on shelves in 2001 - the sales and timing are practically akin to Halo 2, a game widely regarded as a system seller, releasing on the original Xbox in 2004.

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="-Spock-"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]Only illogical people and Yellow Rose would think MGS is not a system seller.Adrian_Cloud

So are you defining a system seller to the ratio of console: game units sold?

Um, the PS2 hadn't always sold 120 million units - that's where your argument falls flat. You're forgetting that MGS2 sold 7 million units at a time when the PS2 had *only* sold about 20-40 million units (2001 - 2003). That's a very respectable attach ratio if you ask me, and definite system seller material.

You don't get it, its as simple as this.
MGS3 sold a 3 million copies when there were 110 million + PS2's in the market. Meaning that either 3 million PS2 owners that already had PS2 bought it, or a mix of new owners that bought PS2 for the game bought as well which can be encorparated into the 120+million sales figure that we have now.

MGS2 sold 7+ million when the PS2 had a smaller base, so what you can assume is that 7 million poeple out of the 30 million(?) bought PS2 for MGS2, or 7 million people bought it leading to the increase that later happened in PS2 sales.

Only way you can be sure is to check the sales charts? Are you going to do that...no. because you alrady have a pre conceived notion that MGS is not a system seller. The amount of pre-oders for MGS2 should speak for themselves, people can only play this game on PS3, so they bought PS3 to play the game.