Thinking about buying a 360 but don't want one if the technology is still unreliable. Anybody know if the new systems are still prone to RROD and other errors like E74 or whatever?
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No,its still there.Always will be.its called Red Dot of death (or something like that) Ratchet_Fan8Well, yeah if your system fails to kill itself before it recieves damage. Basicaly, the RROD still exists, but the console has a failsafe so it turns itself off when it detects high temperatures inside... And i had it happan to me a couple of times and the thing heats up alot, so no, this thing still aint reliable enough.
RRoD is gone for the most part. The only people getting it anymore are Sony fanboys. It almost never happened with the Jasper chips that are in the newer old style 360s and It's impossible in the new 360S (slims). A) because MS took out the red ring leds, and B) because it shuts itself off before it over-heats.
So far there have been very few problems with the 360S, and most of them have happened right out of the box, or in the first few hours. Probably about the same level of failures that have happened with the PS3 Slims (hardly any).
How is anybody supposed to know? Ask again in 6 months when people have actually been using the new units for a while.Thinking about buying a 360 but don't want one if the technology is still unreliable. Anybody know if the new systems are still prone to RROD and other errors like E74 or whatever?
7ojistix
they took out the RROD lens..but there is the DOT! :o go watch YouTube Videos,they already RDOD on them *(or on purpose*) Also,the 360 (ALL MODELS) scratch disk if moved,so if your XBOX falls down during an earthquake,that Disk is as good as fried. Or if you need to move it so it can fan properlyRRoD is gone for the most part. The only people getting it anymore are Sony fanboys. It almost never happened with the Jasper chips that are in the newer old style 360s and It's impossible in the new 360S (slims). A) because MS took out the red ring leds, and B) because it shuts itself off before it over-heats.
So far there have been very few problems with the 360S, and most of them have happened right out of the box, or in the first few hours. Probably about the same level of failures that have happened with the PS3 Slims (hardly any).
coasterguy65
Dont listen to these ignorant cows. The new X360 is as reliable as any system should be, speaking from owning oneshadow8585Yes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts.
[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Dont listen to these ignorant cows. The new X360 is as reliable as any system should be, speaking from owning oneLocutus_PicardYes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts. What dvd rom won't scratch a disk when you move it while spinning?
[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Dont listen to these ignorant cows. The new X360 is as reliable as any system should be, speaking from owning oneLocutus_PicardYes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts. Well **** me because he also speaks for my 360S, folks, this is a GREAT piece of hardware! Go buy it!
[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Dont listen to these ignorant cows. The new X360 is as reliable as any system should be, speaking from owning onei5750at4GhzYes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts. What dvd rom won't scratch a disk when you move it while spinning? PS2, PS3, original XBOX, Wii, GameCube, PC... even the now ancient Walkman did not scratch discs even walking Miscro$oft's technology is moving backwards (no rubber protection in disc drives), no HDD in each console but most of all; still using dinosaur technology DVD's.
i had a week off when i bought my 360S and pretty much played it about 10-15 hours a day nonstop catching up on games, so it's got that going for it
[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Yes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts.Locutus_PicardWhat dvd rom won't scratch a disk when you move it while spinning? PS2, PS3, original XBOX, Wii, GameCube, PC... even the now ancient Walkman did not scratch discs even walking Miscro$oft's technology is moving backwards (no rubber protection in disc drives), no HDD in each console but most of all; still using dinosaur technology DVD's.
Well then I'd say if you can't keep from fondling your video game console, or if you live in an earthquake prone part of the world, or if you have to have your console in the middle of the floor where your dog, mom, brother or whatever will knock it over, then you should probably just install your FULL games onto the Xbox Hard Drive. Then you won't have to worry about your disc being scratched...other than that the systems are way more reliable than what they used to be.
Yes I believe that Microsoft should have fixed the disc tray issue, but since I've played hundreds of games on my Xbox 360 and have never scratched one, and have never known anyone who has. I guess it wasn't that big of a deal to them. Although they do have a responsibility to idiot proof the console against stupid users. I guess that's the same reason why there is a label on blow dryers not to use them in the shower.
Thinking about buying a 360 but don't want one if the technology is still unreliable. Anybody know if the new systems are still prone to RROD and other errors like E74 or whatever?
7ojistix
The only thing different on the slim is that you get a Red Dot Of Death. The hardware is just as unreliable as the previous 360's. MS doesn't care about making reliable hardware. Why should they? I mean lemmings keep defending for it and if one dies they just buy another instead of demanding good hardware. So I ask the question why would they go through the trouble to find the fault in the hardware while their own fanbase doesn't care about it?
[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Dont listen to these ignorant cows. The new X360 is as reliable as any system should be, speaking from owning oneLocutus_PicardYes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts. But you are actually a cow. Like, not from this thread, you just... are.
nope, MS has done NOTHING at all to fix the issues. Jaspers, Falcons and the 360S break just as much before.
and do you know why? because MS wants easy marketshare and they're fine paying billions of dollars for it.
/sarcasm-induced conspiracy theory.
yep, it's pretty good now. unless cows are feeding out the wrong numbers as usual, or wait, I forgot, Youtube determines failure rates, not surveys from the likes of SquareTrade:roll:
latest numbers, on the 360 failure rates were like 4% of current Jasper models, if the new 360S manages to be worse, then you might have worthwhile cause to re-open that case.
The only people who still have a problem with RROD are cows. I had RROD only once and I got my Xbox back within the week. Stop acting like it is some major flaw because it rarely happens now. If you can't go without your Xbox for a week then you have bigger problems then that.
The only people who still have a problem with RROD are cows. I had RROD only once and I got my Xbox back within the week. Stop acting like it is some major flaw because it rarely happens now. If you can't go without your Xbox for a week then you have bigger problems then that.
Casboof
Rarely happens my.... !!!!
Out of my 7 close friends that I LAN with... we have ALL had to at least had 1 xbox RROD. about 3 of us are on our third.. and one of us is on his 4th. ((Idk their warranty status... but dangit you should not HAVE to have a warranty like that, its REDICULOUS))
Yet they won't get a ps3 because its "too expensive and nobody has one!"GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.
[QUOTE="Casboof"]
The only people who still have a problem with RROD are cows. I had RROD only once and I got my Xbox back within the week. Stop acting like it is some major flaw because it rarely happens now. If you can't go without your Xbox for a week then you have bigger problems then that.
Infinite_Access
Rarely happens my.... !!!!
Out of my 7 close friends that I LAN with... we have ALL had to at least had 1 xbox RROD. about 3 of us are on our third.. and one of us is on his 4th. ((Idk their warranty status... but dangit you should not HAVE to have a warranty like that, its REDICULOUS))
Yet they won't get a ps3 because its "too expensive and nobody has one!"GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.
probably because we're talking about the new 360 models. not the old ones.
and he's making fun of the people who try to pass off the new models as same-old. when there's numbers that defy such statements
[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]Dont listen to these ignorant cows. The new X360 is as reliable as any system should be, speaking from owning onei5750at4GhzYes because YOUR xbox is representative for ALL xboxes...Even if you're right, it took M$ more than 5, yes 4 WHOLE YEARS to reduce the failure rate from abysmally bad to plain bad. And it still scratches disks, and that's NOT under warranty. Yes, we are cows for stating facts. What dvd rom won't scratch a disk when you move it while spinning?
one such device know as the ps3
[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]
[QUOTE="Casboof"]
The only people who still have a problem with RROD are cows. I had RROD only once and I got my Xbox back within the week. Stop acting like it is some major flaw because it rarely happens now. If you can't go without your Xbox for a week then you have bigger problems then that.
HavocV3
Rarely happens my.... !!!!
Out of my 7 close friends that I LAN with... we have ALL had to at least had 1 xbox RROD. about 3 of us are on our third.. and one of us is on his 4th. ((Idk their warranty status... but dangit you should not HAVE to have a warranty like that, its REDICULOUS))
Yet they won't get a ps3 because its "too expensive and nobody has one!"GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.
probably because we're talking about the new 360 models. not the old ones.
and he's making fun of the people who try to pass off the new models as same-old. when there's numbers that defy such statements
Where are your numbers then? I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys. Irrefutable proof of 360's scratching discs UNDER REGULAR USE; Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw Same programme, different story : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU So...how are you lems gonna disprove this?[QUOTE="HavocV3"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]
Rarely happens my.... !!!!
Out of my 7 close friends that I LAN with... we have ALL had to at least had 1 xbox RROD. about 3 of us are on our third.. and one of us is on his 4th. ((Idk their warranty status... but dangit you should not HAVE to have a warranty like that, its REDICULOUS))
Yet they won't get a ps3 because its "too expensive and nobody has one!"GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.
Locutus_Picard
probably because we're talking about the new 360 models. not the old ones.
and he's making fun of the people who try to pass off the new models as same-old. when there's numbers that defy such statements
Where are your numbers then? I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys. Irrefutable proof of 360's scratching discs UNDER REGULAR USE; Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw Same programme, different story : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU So...how are you lems gonna disprove this?easy..I'll use logic and ownage.
""I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys."" but you have no problem trusting youtube videos....Since youtube is a bastion of correct thought and factual information...since you use youtube as your irrefutable proof.
Just because it has a different way to indicate failure doesn't mean that its failure rate is the same. Obviously they'd need a way to communicate it if it did happen. Also obvious, it would naturally have a lower failure rate because its are more efficient, unless it somehow gets rid of heat worse than the old models.yes and no,its has rdod(red dot of death),my xbox lasted me 2 year and half years.
Vader993
In the end, I'd still get the Super Elite FFXIII and SC:C bundles over the new S models because they cost less, provide the same 250GB of space, come with an extra controller($30+ value) and game($30+ value), and have the 3 year limited warranties of the originals instead of the 1 year limited warranties of the S models. I wouldn't really care about better reliability because my Arcade Spring Bundle from this year has only crashed twice, on the same day playing the same game. It seemed more like once-in-a-while thing than a constant problem.
Where are your numbers then? I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys. Irrefutable proof of 360's scratching discs UNDER REGULAR USE; Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw Same programme, different story : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU So...how are you lems gonna disprove this?[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="HavocV3"]
probably because we're talking about the new 360 models. not the old ones.
and he's making fun of the people who try to pass off the new models as same-old. when there's numbers that defy such statements
WilliamRLBaker
easy..I'll use logic and ownage.
""I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys."" but you have no problem trusting youtube videos....
Ownage? Do you have problems with debating and using actual arguments? I don't take people seriously when they use video-game jargon such as ''owning'' in a discussion. But I will stind respond; Youtube video? This is pretty much a documentary with the opinion of experts and good test set-up. This pretty much proves the scratching is a common issue. Disc scratching gets NOT WARRANTY CLAIMS because it is not covered by warranty. Who is ''owned'' now?[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Where are your numbers then? I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys. Irrefutable proof of 360's scratching discs UNDER REGULAR USE; Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw Same programme, different story : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU So...how are you lems gonna disprove this?Locutus_Picard
easy..I'll use logic and ownage.
""I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys."" but you have no problem trusting youtube videos....
Ownage? Do you have problems with debating and using actual arguments? I don't take people seriously when they use video-game jargon such as ''owning'' in a discussion. But I will stind respond; Youtube video? This is pretty much a documentary with the opinion of experts and good test set-up. This pretty much proves the scratching is a common issue. Disc scratching gets NOT WARRANTY CLAIMS because it is not covered by warranty. Who is ''owned'' now? I've had my 360 for a few months now and It hasn't even scratched my discs a tiny bit. Unless you move your console while playing discs, you shouldn't have a problem with discs getting scratched, not even a little bit. Even the insanely scratched discs at Gamestop are still playable without being cleaned or resurfaced.[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Where are your numbers then? I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys. Irrefutable proof of 360's scratching discs UNDER REGULAR USE; Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw Same programme, different story : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU So...how are you lems gonna disprove this?Locutus_Picard
easy..I'll use logic and ownage.
""I will only believe official warranty claim numbers, instead of weird guestimates and surveys."" but you have no problem trusting youtube videos....
Ownage? Do you have problems with debating and using actual arguments? I don't take people seriously when they use video-game jargon such as ''owning'' in a discussion. But I will stind respond; Youtube video? This is pretty much a documentary with the opinion of experts and good test set-up. This pretty much proves the scratching is a common issue. Disc scratching gets NOT WARRANTY CLAIMS because it is not covered by warranty. Who is ''owned'' now? then you need to link to an official site, or someplace else, youtube is not an accepted den of fact or even logical thought. Its simple to look at the related videos to see the level of debate and thought on youtube. regardless of where the source material is from its still youtube, if you want your point to fly then link to another site, or even an official source. Next you'll post the destructoid video which is filled with so many faults in logic its mind boggling.[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]they took out the RROD lens..but there is the DOT! :o go watch YouTube Videos,they already RDOD on them *(or on purpose*) Also,the 360 (ALL MODELS) scratch disk if moved,so if your XBOX falls down during an earthquake,that Disk is as good as fried. Or if you need to move it so it can fan properlyRRoD is gone for the most part. The only people getting it anymore are Sony fanboys. It almost never happened with the Jasper chips that are in the newer old style 360s and It's impossible in the new 360S (slims). A) because MS took out the red ring leds, and B) because it shuts itself off before it over-heats.
So far there have been very few problems with the 360S, and most of them have happened right out of the box, or in the first few hours. Probably about the same level of failures that have happened with the PS3 Slims (hardly any).
Ratchet_Fan8
I lol'd at the earthquake possibility.
Is that really something that we should take into account? LMAO
I mean an earthwake strong enough to knock down my console happening while I'm playing seems kinda unlikely. And that is ignoring the fact that I can just place it horizontally. which eliminates the possiblity entirely.
I mean, might just as well say the PS3 is unreliable because its more likely to get struck by lighting than the 360. :D
they took out the RROD lens..but there is the DOT! :o go watch YouTube Videos,they already RDOD on them *(or on purpose*) Also,the 360 (ALL MODELS) scratch disk if moved,so if your XBOX falls down during an earthquake,that Disk is as good as fried. Or if you need to move it so it can fan properly[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"][QUOTE="coasterguy65"]
RRoD is gone for the most part. The only people getting it anymore are Sony fanboys. It almost never happened with the Jasper chips that are in the newer old style 360s and It's impossible in the new 360S (slims). A) because MS took out the red ring leds, and B) because it shuts itself off before it over-heats.
So far there have been very few problems with the 360S, and most of them have happened right out of the box, or in the first few hours. Probably about the same level of failures that have happened with the PS3 Slims (hardly any).
alfredooo
I lol'd at the earthquake possibility.
Is that really something that we should take into account? LMAO
I mean an earthwake strong enough to knock down my console happening while I'm playing seems kinda unlikely. And that is ignoring the fact that I can just place it horizontally. which eliminates the possiblity entirely.
I mean, might just as well say the PS3 is unreliable because its more likely to get struck by lighting than the 360. :D
I don't get that argument either, if an earthquake is to occur, my xbox360/ps3 are the last of my worries. I could care less what happened to them as long as i run to a safe place and get my brother and mom/dad to a safer place.someone should make a System Wars trend graph.
as the 360 RRoD cases dwindle, the disc-scratching talk hikes up.
not saying it's acceptable, but when the topic is RRoD and that keeps coming up, you have to think sometimes....
anyhow, disk-scratching can be prevented a whole 100%(unlike Rrod in the very early 360s)with an install or just laying the console flat. besides, the situations are incredibly specific. the 360 has to be rocking for it to scratch and not fall over. and if itwere tofall over, a moving part could shake loose for all we know. so you'd have bigger problems.
New consoles after 2008 rarely get RROD, and the new design can't get it period.Stevo_the_gamer
you're correct.
it can, however, get the RDOD!
:lol:
New consoles after 2008 rarely get RROD, and the new design can't get it period.Stevo_the_gamerMore like 2009. I remember there still being a large enough problem with RROD during 2008.
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]New consoles after 2008 rarely get RROD, and the new design can't get it period. HelloMoto56
you're correct.
it can, however, get the RDOD!
1 case out of how many? You expect all electronics to function perfectly and never break down?
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] More like 2009. I remember there still being a large enough problem with RROD during 2008. [QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]New consoles after 2008 rarely get RROD, and the new design can't get it period. RogueShodown
you're correct.
it can, however, get the RDOD!
1 case out of how many? You expect all electronics to function perfectly and never break down?
Yeah, look at Nintendo, their things never break down, you can even drop it down the stairs and it will still work :P
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