so is wii still "casual"?

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#51 manicfoot
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I own 33 games for Wii so its anything but casual for me. There's some great games for the system. You just need to look for them.

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#52 CleanPlayer
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Nah, it's leaning more to hardcore by those standards.
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#53 muzik_mafia
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I own 33 games for Wii so its anything but casual for me. There's some great games for the system. You just need to look for them.

manicfoot

Any console now that needs you to look deep for good games... is fail.

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#54 OreoMilkshake
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[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

I own 33 games for Wii so its anything but casual for me. There's some great games for the system. You just need to look for them.

muzik_mafia

Any console now that needs you to look deep for good games... is fail.

Yeah because picking a game off the shelf with your eyes closed really works out in the end.
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#55 intro94
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[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

I own 33 games for Wii so its anything but casual for me. There's some great games for the system. You just need to look for them.

muzik_mafia

Any console now that needs you to look deep for good games... is fail.

wow dude.You just buy anything then?just wow.I wish i could do that with any console.congrats.
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#56 SMR-Venom
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[QUOTE="savebattery"]I would argue that the Wii is MORE hardcore than PS3 or Xbox 360. The Wii is place to be for 2D fighters and SHMUPs this generation, and back in my day, that's what we considered "hardcore". Geometry Wars Galaxies, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Gyrostarr, Star Soldier R, Castle of Shikigami III, Blastworks, The House of the Dead Overkill, Samurai Shodown Anthology, The King of Fighters Collection, Metal Slug Anthology...JLF1



So you agree that the PSP is an awesome handheld for the core gamers then?

PSP is an awesome handheld for core gamers...

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#57 2beers_in_hand
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I would say the Wii is still casual. But I'm glad to see all the games coming out for the hardcore gamer.

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#58 Troqe
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A 2D Metroid game from Team Ninja is as about as hardcore as it can get.

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#59 Nintendo_Ownes7
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A 2D Metroid game from Team Ninja is as about as hardcore as it can get.

Troqe

It's not really 2D some parts are 2D but others are 3D. Also it isn't really just Team Ninja it is also Nintendo R&D 1 (well the people from R&D1 the team that made the original Metroid, Metroid 2, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, and Metroid Zero Mission.)

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#60 OldSkoolGamer04
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The Wii is a perfect storm of hugely commercial titles that appeal to the casual crowd and unique games imbued with an independent spirit that fly under the radar.

For ever major casual title someone names, an equally hardcore one exists. But since it's the casual market that drives the system, it'll continue to be the "console for grandma and grandpa".

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#61 gmc2u_64
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="savebattery"]I would argue that the Wii is MORE hardcore than PS3 or Xbox 360. The Wii is place to be for 2D fighters and SHMUPs this generation, and back in my day, that's what we considered "hardcore". Geometry Wars Galaxies, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Gyrostarr, Star Soldier R, Castle of Shikigami III, Blastworks, The House of the Dead Overkill, Samurai Shodown Anthology, The King of Fighters Collection, Metal Slug Anthology...unknown37

I agree it is also getting Rail Shooters like Sin & Punishment and hopefully Star Fox those are Hardcore with alot of enemies on the screen. But Rail Shooters are still SHMUPs the only difference is the camera is behind the character instead of either being from a top-down view or side view.

I was literally about to write this, you took the words right out of my mouth. Also I'd like to go even further by saying that the "hardcore" 360 and PS3 games (ie. Halo, Cod4, GeOW2, GTA4, etc.) are just as casual as minigame compilations, they just appeal to a different group of casuals (college Fratboys come to mind) and to some core gamers as well. Just think of how mainstream and toned down gameplay wise shooters have become, and how even nongamers love boobs, blood, and cursing. While on the on the wii there are tons of niche games that are the exact opposite of mainstream with extreme difficulty levels and complex gameplay. Not to mention the ton of old virtual console games like Zelda and super metroid

...for real? Are you saying that a game like Geow 2 or GTA 4 is as casual as freakin' CARNIVAL GAMES?! I know it's your opinion but...I don't know what to say. While those games have mainstream appeal, atleast they can be somewhat challenging (unlike most of the Wii games...). But it's your opinion, so I respect it (but I respectfully disagree with you).

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#62 Lionheart08
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I will not be dragged into this, as I know just how this will end.

789shadow

Train wrecks are so fun to watch though. :P

Nintendo could still strengthen the first party support some more IMO.

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#63 gmc2u_64
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

I will not be dragged into this, as I know just how this will end.

Lionheart08

Train wrecks are so fun to watch though. :P

Nintendo could still strengthen the first party support some more IMO.

After the Holidays of 2008, I agree with you.

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#64 Silverbond
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The Wii will always stay casual until I get all of my 10+ year old IPs.

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#65 Senor_Kami
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

I will not be dragged into this, as I know just how this will end.

Lionheart08

Train wrecks are so fun to watch though. :P

Nintendo could still strengthen the first party support some more IMO.

3 Mario platformers, 2 Zeldas, 1 Smash Brothers, 1 Sin and Punishment, 2 Metroids and a rumored Pikmin is a weak 1st party line-up from Nintendo?
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#66 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

I will not be dragged into this, as I know just how this will end.

Senor_Kami

Train wrecks are so fun to watch though. :P

Nintendo could still strengthen the first party support some more IMO.

3 Mario platformers, 2 Zeldas, 1 Smash Brothers, 1 Sin and Punishment, 2 Metroids and a rumored Pikmin is a weak 1st party line-up from Nintendo?

No StarFox or Kirby yet. :{
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#67 surrealnumber5
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no more or less casual then any other console in history
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#68 striking_
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I own a Wii and a PS3 and I use my Wii more. For all types of games. It's a great system.

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Replace PS3 with 360 and u basically have me. I like both systems I just find myself playing the wii so much more then the 360 as i'm not into online gaming. So many great and underated games r on the system that get no love. Sadly I feel it will always be this way. Just the other day i heard some people talking about e3 so I joined in and theses so called "hardcore gamers" dion't even know what half the wii's lineup is. I guess the wii's only real mainstream titles will be nintendo titles since no one wants to give the 3rd party devs a chance. =(
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#69 Captain-Pants
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Wii offers a variety of games for a variety of skill types. Don't label the Wii something you perceive as being derogatory just cause it does this better than the other two consoles. Having high profile lower tier games does not diminish the consoles higher tier offerings. The premise in this thread is flawed and it's the same logic the other two console manufactures are enacting. Thus, the reason they are getting killed this cycle.

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#70 L30KinG
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is hardcore for people who don't care about awsome fps (or fps at all) and people who don't care for an awsome mature game

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#71 chicagodon
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In one word "Yes". The Wii does have Mdtroid, Resident Evil, Red Steel :( and a few other games that cater to what we consider the hard core demographic. But if you look at the ads, who they want to attract to the Wii (listen to what they said in their E3 press confrence) people who do not play games but would try them. and the bulk of their library. Wii fitness, Cooking Mama, ads with grandparents playing Wii sports. I would have to say it is casual. Wii fitness sold over 10 million copies with the add on Metroid could not even crack the million mark. Just because a girl puts on a tanktop and cuts her hair short does not make her a man.

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#72 trakem
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I don't know that you could ever reffer to any game console regardless of games line up as casual. Casual describes a style of play, not a gaming line up.

As for their line up shown at E3, I can't say I'm that impressed. I don't know, for my personal tastes, not much there looked that great. I found myself looking at their line up thinking, "Hey, that's a real step up from what I've been seeing on the Wii. That's pretty good for a Wii game." Then I think, "Well, you know, I have a PS3 and 360 and the games there seem to be better so why bother." Just my thoughts on the line ups.

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#73 ActicEdge
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I've had enough of this hardcore casual crap. I play games that interest me. I'd rather be the guy that plays the casual console with games that interest me than the insecure guy who points and laughs at those who don't share my taste. Sorry if some people around here have trouble accepting that.

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#74 tok1879
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Hardcore gamer = Someone who considers gaming a top hobby Casual gamer = Someone who is would pick up a game here or there Hardcore gamer = more likely to post on a gaming forum Casual gamer = Less likely to post on a gaming forum Whether you'ld like to admit it or not, this gen, the people who especially enjoy Nintendo's console are 1. Old people (they actually purchase the Wii in bulks for nursing homes now, and old people do enjoy their Wii bowling) 2. Younger people(Nintendo has that untarnished kid friendly image, (has Nintendo ever made a game that had blood?)) 3. Die hard Nintendo fans (yes i'm looking at you 35 year old dude now with his own family, who actually believes that as of TODAY, 2d games are still the only ones to be considered hardcore) especially the ones who get excited with anything with either Mario, Metroid, or Zelda in the title. The third ones are the especially puzzling ones, because just as some of us are puzzled by their fanatism over Nintendo's repackaged last gen system, they as well are puzzled by our dismisal of it. They can see no wrong from Nintendo, after all it is Nintendo, the company who reshaped the industry and is responsible for most hardcore gamers now(me included). It just happened that some of us grew and gaming is much more than just gameplay, how about a good deep story to go with that great gameplay? Why can't we get the whole package? Graphics, Blood and gore if the need for it arose? Sex? (we're not all kids y'know?) Why do we have to choose between graphics and gameplay? Where are the equivalents of Dead Space, Bioshock, GTAIV, MGS4, Halo, Gears? Why does everything from Nintendo have to be cartoony?
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#75 Ipik_Fenris
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i used to be a anti-wii back then, until this E3 when they showed the upcoming lineup and it is looking very good TBH

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#76 rahul_rul210
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[QUOTE="savebattery"]I would argue that the Wii is MORE hardcore than PS3 or Xbox 360. The Wii is place to be for 2D fighters and SHMUPs this generation, and back in my day, that's what we considered "hardcore". Geometry Wars Galaxies, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Gyrostarr, Star Soldier R, Castle of Shikigami III, Blastworks, The House of the Dead Overkill, Samurai Shodown Anthology, The King of Fighters Collection, Metal Slug Anthology...

ps3 and 360 isway more hardcore with shooters and gta games
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#77 FFCYAN
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I've had enough of this hardcore casual crap. I play games that interest me. I'd rather be the guy that plays the casual console with games that interest me than the insecure guy who points and laughs at those who don't share my taste. Sorry if some people around here have trouble accepting that.

ActicEdge

Agreed. I have not posted in SW in a while but it's still the same.:lol:

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#78 enterawesome
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There is no hardcore or casual. Just different games that appeal to different people. But the Wii certainly has its fair share of awesome games.
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#79 MischiefmAker
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ps3 and 360 isway more hardcore with shooters and gta games rahul_rul210

...Is that a real argument, or is that a joke post? I really can't tell...

Being a System Wars spectator can be hard at times. :(

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#80 Senor_Kami
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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Train wrecks are so fun to watch though. :P

Nintendo could still strengthen the first party support some more IMO.

princeofshapeir

3 Mario platformers, 2 Zeldas, 1 Smash Brothers, 1 Sin and Punishment, 2 Metroids and a rumored Pikmin is a weak 1st party line-up from Nintendo?

No StarFox or Kirby yet. :{

That's like saying 3 Halos, 2 Fables, 2 Gears of War, a Mass Effect and 1 Forza is a weak lineup from MS. Or, if they were still only batting with Sony, saying that 3 Metal Gears, 2 Final Fantasies, 2 Gods of War, 1 Tekken and 1 Resident Evil and one Gran Turismo is a weak line-up from Sony.

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#81 Javy03
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You know, the more and more I think about, the more I think PC is real HARDCORE gaming and I am not even much of a PC gamer. I mean they have to constantly upgrade their PC's for games, they hack into games and create extra MODs and maps for games. I mean us console gamers just really plug and play.
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#82 mistablair
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Who cares if a system is casual. I like casual games, in fact I just beat Halo 3 and started GTA 4 (probably the two most casual games on the 360). People who only like "Hardcore" games are like the people who like the obscure 1920s silent artsy films that didn't win any oscars back in the day. While you can enjoy your silent films or obscure games, I'll be enjoying the Dark Knight, Star Wars, Mario, Halo etc etc.
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#83 jarhead20
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its MOSTLY casual ... the vast majority of games are still shovelware or classic ninty's franchises but I have to admit that at least there's a solid "non-casual" library and its only gonna get better so Im seriously thinkin' in gettin' a wii instead of waiting that my nephews discard his lol!

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#84 mistablair
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its MOSTLY casual ... the vast majority of games are still shovelware or classic ninty's franchises but I have to admit that at least there's a solid "non-casual" library and its only gonna get better so Im seriously thinkin' in gettin' a wii instead of waiting that my nephews discard his lol!

jarhead20
I hope they never go Hardcore, I don't need some obscure and outrageously difficult games. I just need some fun games like Mario, Rock Band, Halo etc
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#85 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"][QUOTE="unknown37"]I was literally about to write this, you took the words right out of my mouth. Also I'd like to go even further by saying that the "hardcore" 360 and PS3 games (ie. Halo, Cod4, GeOW2, GTA4, etc.) are just as casual as minigame compilations, they just appeal to a different group of casuals (college Fratboys come to mind) and to some core gamers as well. Just think of how mainstream and toned down gameplay wise shooters have become, and how even nongamers love boobs, blood, and cursing. While on the on the wii there are tons of niche games that are the exact opposite of mainstream with extreme difficulty levels and complex gameplay. Not to mention the ton of old virtual console games like Zelda and super metroid

unknown37

Thats games in general. Wii is no gaming savior. PS3/360 have through niche titles to. in fact, with what you said, PS2 is the best system cause it meants those standards. just look at P4.

What does a last gen system have 2 do with me thinking the wii has more hardcore games than ps3 and 360? and yes I own Persona 4

cause the ps2 technically has more core games by your standards which explains why you own P4. im just pointing out that ps3/360 have niche games too. thats fine if you like the wii but niche games to me arent enough to support an entire console.

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#86 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

I will not be dragged into this, as I know just how this will end.

Train wrecks are so fun to watch though. :P

Nintendo could still strengthen the first party support some more IMO.

3 Mario platformers, 2 Zeldas, 1 Smash Brothers, 1 Sin and Punishment, 2 Metroids and a rumored Pikmin is a weak 1st party line-up from Nintendo?

yes